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TexasTowelie

(112,122 posts)
Thu Sep 23, 2021, 12:06 AM Sep 2021

New Details Emerge In NYC Restaurant Brawl Over Vaccine Proof Involving 3 Houston Women

New details have emerged about a brawl outside a popular New York City restaurant between several out-of-town visitors and an employee over the restaurant’s requirement that the guests show proof of vaccination.

Attorneys for Carmine’s and for three women from Texas who are facing charges in connection with the melee last Thursday told the New York Times that the women had provided documentation of COVID-19 vaccinations but that the altercation escalated after two men who joined the party didn’t have proof.

The restaurant hostess, who is white, seen being attacked in a video shot by an onlooker suggested the vaccination cards were fake, spoke condescendingly to the group, who are Black, and used a racial slur, an attorney for the women told the Times.

The dispute was "mutual combat," Justin Moore said.

Carolyn Richmond, an attorney representing Carmine’s, denied the claim, writing in an email to The Times that "nothing about this incident suggests race was an issue."

Read more: https://www.houstonpublicmedia.org/articles/news/criminal-justice/2021/09/20/408826/new-details-emerge-in-nyc-restaurant-brawl-over-vaccine-proof-involving-3-houston-women/

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Response to TexasTowelie (Original post)

Anon-C

(3,430 posts)
4. If the three women and the men had provided proof of vaccination and the manager allowed them to...
Thu Sep 23, 2021, 12:33 AM
Sep 2021

...dine, indeed that is different than the narrative put forward in the msm up to this point.

PoliticAverse

(26,366 posts)
5. This is why I don't get excited by stories like this. It seems details have a habit of changing
Thu Sep 23, 2021, 12:38 AM
Sep 2021

especially during the first few days. I'm still hoping a neutral third party (another customer perhaps?) comes forward and can shed some light on the claims as to what was and wasn't said by the people involved.

hlthe2b

(102,225 posts)
8. Yes. I have no idea, but this mutual combat comment from the defense attorney seems
Thu Sep 23, 2021, 10:33 AM
Sep 2021

(at best), inexplicable, given the hostess would have been physically taking on three women with an intense mismatch of stature and body size.

Beyond that... maybe the truth will out, but who knows.

PoliticAverse

(26,366 posts)
9. The "mutual combat" statement is a tacit admission that his client(s) threw the first punch.
Thu Sep 23, 2021, 01:50 PM
Sep 2021

If your client was hit first your claim should be "my client was attacked and then defended herself".

There's video of the incident (but no audio) so we know who was hitting but not what was said.

3Hotdogs

(12,372 posts)
7. N.J. and Utah have a passport on an app, "Docket."
Thu Sep 23, 2021, 08:15 AM
Sep 2021

Vac. posts are verified by the N.J. Dept. of Health with the physician/clinic before they are posted on the website.

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