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Joe Cool

(741 posts)
Mon Nov 7, 2022, 12:57 PM Nov 2022

FINAL Yard sign report from Butler County, PA + western Armstrong County + predictions

Butler is the county north of Allegheny County where Pittsburgh is located. The GOP has a +27% registration advantage in Butler County.
This report is limited to the City of Butler area in the central part and southern Butler county plus western Armstrong County which is to the east of Butler. Northern Butler is pretty rural and I have not traveled to that part of the county this election season so I am not going to make any assumptions about that area.
Never in my life have I seen so many signs for Democratic candidates (Josh Shapiro for governor, John Fetterman for Senate, Dan Pastore for Congress, and Robert Vigue for state rep in the southwestern part of the county) as I have this year in Butler County. It truly is remarkable, especially in the southwestern part of the county which is the most growing, affluent, and diverse, though Butler County is still more than 90% white. Josh Shapiro signs are everywhere in the southwestern part of the county and outnumber, though not greatly, signs for election denier and Nazi Doug Mastriano.
This past weekend, more Mastriano signs popped up in and around the city of Butler but my guess it was at most a handful of people who placed those signs since they are in public places. The Mastriano signs in and around the city Butler are mainly standalone and rarely accompany Oz for Senate signs. The Republican signs are in the normal places where you seem them each year but the Democratic signs have popped up in locations where they have never been seen before this year. Another thing I have noticed is that many people who had Trump signs in 2016 and 2020 do not have any signs for Republican candidates this year. The thing the pollsters might be missing is that many people might have voted because Trump was on the ballot in 2016 and 2020 but those people might elect not to vote this year due to a lack of an exciting candidate for them. The lack of only voted because Trump was on the ballot voters might be one of the story lines from tomorrow's election.
Since I ventured through the western part of Armstrong County in the last day, there are a lot more Republican signs (especially Mastriano but many were lacking the accompanying Oz signs) but there were a few Democratic signs in places where Democratic signs have not appeared in the past.
If Shapiro and Fetterman can gain just a few percent of votes in heavily Republican areas of Pennsylvania compared to past elections for Democratic candidates, their elections won't be close. Mastriano is going to lose badly in the Pittsburgh and Philadelphia areas. His only hope is a strong rural turnout and that probably won't help him enough even if that does happen. Even though he is stronger in the polls, there is zero enthusiasm for Oz among Republicans. The only reason people will vote for him is because they are voting against Fetterman or he has an R beside his name. Mastriano actually has more enthusiasm among Republicans compared to Oz but the former is doing worse in the polls.


I hate to make predictions, but Shapiro wins and it isn't close. Fetterman wins by an amount that surprises all of the out-of-state pundits who don't realize he is actually from Pennsylvania and is a sort of folk figure in the state.

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FINAL Yard sign report from Butler County, PA + western Armstrong County + predictions (Original Post) Joe Cool Nov 2022 OP
My dude! 👍 dchill Nov 2022 #1
Yes and yes! FakeNoose Nov 2022 #2
I drive a lot in Butler, Armstrong, Allegheny and Lawrence county Orrex Nov 2022 #3
Fetterman Spent Time in Ruby Red Areas - It Should Pay Off for Him With Better Margins n/t Indykatie Nov 2022 #4
Unlike Oz and Mastriano, Fetterman and Shapiro are actually from Pennsylvania. Joe Cool Nov 2022 #6
How is the signage situation in Lawrence County? Joe Cool Nov 2022 #5
Lots of Fetterman/Shapiro support Orrex Nov 2022 #7
Just chip away Joe Cool Nov 2022 #8
Welcome to DU JoeCool. What a great and concise report. Many thanks. n/t SheilaAnn Nov 2022 #9
Cranberry TWP sounds like the SW part Deminpenn Nov 2022 #10
I did say SW Butler County. Joe Cool Nov 2022 #11

FakeNoose

(32,656 posts)
2. Yes and yes!
Mon Nov 7, 2022, 01:07 PM
Nov 2022

I originally predicted that both Shapiro and Fetterman will win by 10 points. But now that we're so close to the actual Election Day - it looks like Shapiro will win by even more than 10 points. Fetterman will win too, but his victory will be closer to 5 points over Oz than 10.



Orrex

(63,216 posts)
3. I drive a lot in Butler, Armstrong, Allegheny and Lawrence county
Mon Nov 7, 2022, 01:23 PM
Nov 2022

And I hate to say it but I'm... encouraged by the signs I see.

Not long ago you could walk for miles on Trump yard signs without ever setting foot on the ground, but the current spread seems much more favorable for Democrats.

Let's hope!

Joe Cool

(741 posts)
6. Unlike Oz and Mastriano, Fetterman and Shapiro are actually from Pennsylvania.
Mon Nov 7, 2022, 01:44 PM
Nov 2022

Shapiro is from the Philly suburbs while Fetterman was born in south Central PA, went to college in southeast PA, and lives in western PA.
Oz never actually lived in PA even when he went to Penn (lived in NJ). Mastriano moved to PA in the last decade or so and still was registered to vote in NJ until last year.
Looking at things from a purely objective angle, Oz and Mastriano started off behind the eight ball because they basically have no roots in PA.
The national pundits don't seem to realize that the two major Democratic candidates are homegrown Pennsylvanians while the GOP candidates are Jersey boys, with Oz being born in Ohio and growing up in Delaware.

Joe Cool

(741 posts)
5. How is the signage situation in Lawrence County?
Mon Nov 7, 2022, 01:37 PM
Nov 2022

On a past yard sign report of mine one DUer commented her parents live in New Castle and their parents told them pretty much what I have been saying, Democratic signs have appeared in places where they have never been seen before and Republican signs are in the normal locations.

Orrex

(63,216 posts)
7. Lots of Fetterman/Shapiro support
Mon Nov 7, 2022, 02:04 PM
Nov 2022

Still a lot for Oz and a distressingly strong showing for Mastriano, but signs for Democrats are definitely out in better numbers than I recall in years past.

Signs don't vote, of course, but it's still encouraging!

Joe Cool

(741 posts)
8. Just chip away
Mon Nov 7, 2022, 02:27 PM
Nov 2022

All Shapiro and Fetterman have to do is just chip away a few percentage points in heavily GOP areas and they will win in a cakewalk. Mastriano will get wiped out in the Pittsburgh and Philadelphia areas.

Deminpenn

(15,286 posts)
10. Cranberry TWP sounds like the SW part
Tue Nov 8, 2022, 12:12 AM
Nov 2022

of Butler county you are describing. Correct?

Here in my area of Beaver county, there are not many yard signs, but more for Dems. The houses I recall that had Trump signs in 2020 don't have any. There are a lot of signs along the major roads and intersections about even for both party's candidates, but those are put out by the parties. I don't put much stock in them.

Joe Cool

(741 posts)
11. I did say SW Butler County.
Tue Nov 8, 2022, 10:34 AM
Nov 2022

Hardcore TFG supporters don't have signs out in Butler County the way they did in 2020. There are about ten houses in relatively close proximity to me that had TFG signs and some had other GOP candidate's signs and this year nothing. Nada. No signs at all.

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