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JPZenger

(6,819 posts)
Wed Aug 15, 2012, 11:03 AM Aug 2012

PA. Appeals Court Refuses to Stop Voter ID Law

Decision announced this morning. I had hoped the judge would delay the implementation for a year to provide time for voters, counties and PennDOT to get up to speed.

It is being appealed to the State Supreme Court. If they vote on straight party lines, it would be a 3-3 decision, which would mean this Appeals/Commonwealth Court decision would stand.

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PA. Appeals Court Refuses to Stop Voter ID Law (Original Post) JPZenger Aug 2012 OP
Here is the link to LBN. femmocrat Aug 2012 #1
Reason for current 3-3 tie .. svip Aug 2012 #3
Yeah, Orie, right? Pat Riot Aug 2012 #6
PennDOT is not prepared to handle this Freddie Aug 2012 #2
I like this idea. Pat Riot Aug 2012 #9
Judge Robert E. Simpson Jr. will not face a retention vote, I am told. MH1 Aug 2012 #4
Rare to lose retention vote JPZenger Aug 2012 #5
I wonder how much money the GOP paid Simpson for this blatantly partisan ruling meow2u3 Aug 2012 #7
Summary of Judge Simpson's Opinion freeandequalpa Aug 2012 #8
Summary of the summary Pat Riot Aug 2012 #10
sigh freeandequalpa Aug 2012 #11
ha ha, sorry Pat Riot Aug 2012 #12
I appreciate your effort MH1 Aug 2012 #13
not always possible to simplify freeandequalpa Aug 2012 #14

femmocrat

(28,394 posts)
1. Here is the link to LBN.
Wed Aug 15, 2012, 11:09 AM
Aug 2012
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014194741

I didn't know about the possibility of a tie on the Supreme Court.... What is the political make-up of that court?

The law seems blatantly unconstitutional, to me at least.

svip

(22 posts)
3. Reason for current 3-3 tie ..
Wed Aug 15, 2012, 11:32 AM
Aug 2012

Court is 3-3 due to a Republican Judge getting indicted for numerous counts of campaign fraud.

Shocker, eh?

Pat Riot

(446 posts)
6. Yeah, Orie, right?
Wed Aug 15, 2012, 01:59 PM
Aug 2012

With her out it made a tie, I believe. Sux.

We should spread the word that they must give you your ID for free. You must tell them you need it to vote. Some ruling to the effect that it would be considered like a poll tax if people had to pay.

Freddie

(9,273 posts)
2. PennDOT is not prepared to handle this
Wed Aug 15, 2012, 11:30 AM
Aug 2012

Our side should organize bus loads to swamp the license centers at peak times like Saturday afternoons. Are they going to turn people away?

MH1

(17,600 posts)
4. Judge Robert E. Simpson Jr. will not face a retention vote, I am told.
Wed Aug 15, 2012, 12:33 PM
Aug 2012

(that was my first question)

He was just re-elected ("retained&quot for a 10-year term and then will be too old too run again (over 70) so will retire.

Next question: what are the retention circumstances of the SC judges likely to vote to uphold the law?

JPZenger

(6,819 posts)
5. Rare to lose retention vote
Wed Aug 15, 2012, 01:21 PM
Aug 2012

It is rare for a Supreme Court justice to loose a retention vote - I think it only happened once or twice in the last 40 years, and one of those was after the illegal midnight pay raise.

meow2u3

(24,771 posts)
7. I wonder how much money the GOP paid Simpson for this blatantly partisan ruling
Wed Aug 15, 2012, 02:31 PM
Aug 2012

The plaintiffs had much more than sufficient evidence to prove that the photo ID law amounts to voter genocide. Any reasonable, fair judge would have tossed out this ethnic voter cleansing law as the piece of unconstitutional garbage it is. So Judge Simpson must be on the Koch Bros.' payroll; that's the only reason I can think of for him to side with the rethugs.

Pat Riot

(446 posts)
12. ha ha, sorry
Fri Aug 17, 2012, 02:36 PM
Aug 2012

But thanks for doing it anyway! I was trying to read the whole thing, but then I got so mad...

MH1

(17,600 posts)
13. I appreciate your effort
Sun Aug 19, 2012, 08:45 AM
Aug 2012

the short summary was interesting and I hope to dig into the detailed summary later. This part I did not know, and it just floors me, as in "Really????" (but then I'm not a lawyer) (emphasis added):

(b) Petitioners were required to but did not establish that the law is unconstitutional in every possible application (in other words, Petitioners failed to show that the law is unconstitutional even when applied to voters who already possess acceptable photo ID).


You probably put it in the detailed summary, but, could you explain that bit and whether/why it makes ANY sense under the law of PA and/or laws of the US? (Realizing that in your blog article, I think you are just trying to expose Simpson's thinking, without commentary. Commentary is ok here. )

freeandequalpa

(45 posts)
14. not always possible to simplify
Mon Aug 20, 2012, 08:07 PM
Aug 2012

In an effort to simplify things in my quick summary, I fear I caused confusion.

Judge Simpson, noting that Petitioners brought a "facial challenge" to the Photo ID Law, wrote: "A statute is facially unconstitutional only where no set of circumstances exist under which the statute would be valid." As I understand it, he is saying that voters who already possess identification OR can get identification OR can vote absentee OR are indigent (and, therefore, do not have to show identification) will not be denied the right to vote. Since Petitioners failed to prove that any voters who do not fall into one of those categories exist, they did not show a set of circumstances under which the law would be invalid, and therefore, did not show that the law is facially unconstitutional. At least, I think that it what he is saying.

Judge Simpson left open the theoretical possibility that a voter could bring an "as applied" challenge -- that is, that a voter could challenge the law as unconstitutional as applied to him. But that challenge only would succeed, Judge Simpson seemed to say, if brought by a voter who:

1) Does not have an acceptable ID.

2) Could not, had he tried in a timely fashion, have obtained an acceptable ID.

3) Is not entitled to vote absentee.

4) Goes to the polls on election day and casts a provisional ballot.

5) Is not indigent (because those who are indigent do not have to show photo ID to have their provisional ballot counted - they only have to submit an affidavit saying they are indigent within 6 days of the election).

6) Asks the county board of election within 6 days of the election to count his provisional ballot, but is refused.

7) Brings a lawsuit to have his provisional ballot counted and loses.

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