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New lottery article (Original Post) PRETZEL Feb 2013 OP
This is bullshit. Curmudgeoness Feb 2013 #1
Unfortunately as much as I agree that this is both unnecessary PRETZEL Feb 2013 #2
That is true. But to put a deadline on this Curmudgeoness Feb 2013 #3
I though the 30 day is up on Saturday PRETZEL Feb 2013 #4
I understood the article to say Curmudgeoness Feb 2013 #5
From everything I know about this, PRETZEL Feb 2013 #6
She (Kane) turned it down! durablend Feb 2013 #7
And the response from the Administration PRETZEL Feb 2013 #8
Definitely not... durablend Feb 2013 #9
The Morning Call gave three reason, PRETZEL Feb 2013 #10

Curmudgeoness

(18,219 posts)
1. This is bullshit.
Tue Feb 12, 2013, 08:46 PM
Feb 2013

To say that Kane has only until Saturday to review this contract is beyond contempt. And that is beside the facts that this contract and the privatization is not necessary, or prudent.

I still say that if the lottery commission is allowed all the same leeways that Camelot will have, they can do better for the state. There would be new money if the state allowed online lottery and keno just like they would do if Camelot takes over. I am personally opposed to states supporting themselves with gambling, but that ship sailed a long time ago....so what is the difference?

And there is always the problem with "found money" disappearing with nothing left over for down the road.

PRETZEL

(3,245 posts)
2. Unfortunately as much as I agree that this is both unnecessary
Wed Feb 13, 2013, 02:40 PM
Feb 2013

and imprudent, as far as I know the only issues that the AG can address are legality and form.

Curmudgeoness

(18,219 posts)
3. That is true. But to put a deadline on this
Wed Feb 13, 2013, 02:44 PM
Feb 2013

in such a short period of time makes it hard to check legality or form properly.

Maybe Kane will take the full 30 days that she should have and the opportunity will pass without a further extension from Camelot. Or so I could wish....this would be the only thing, short of problems with the legality of it, that might save us.

PRETZEL

(3,245 posts)
4. I though the 30 day is up on Saturday
Wed Feb 13, 2013, 03:45 PM
Feb 2013

that's why the big push.

However, I think (and correct me if I'm wrong) but if the AG has questions that need clarification on certain points regarding the contract, that triggers a new 30 day wait.

Curmudgeoness

(18,219 posts)
5. I understood the article to say
Wed Feb 13, 2013, 04:02 PM
Feb 2013

that the contract is set to expire on Saturday, even though the AG should have 30 days.

See what you think:

Attorney General Kathleen Kane might technically have 30 more days to review the lottery management contract that Gov. Tom Corbett wants her to sign.

But state Department of Aging Secretary Brian Duke said waiting that long could cause the $50 million more that Corbett put into his 2013-14 budget to help senior citizens to disappear.

Camelot Global Services PA LLC's bid to take over the management of the Pennsylvania Lottery is set to expire on Saturday and no extension is being negotiated at this time.

The bid from United Kingdom-based Camelot Global Services PA LLC is set to expire on Saturday.

PRETZEL

(3,245 posts)
6. From everything I know about this,
Wed Feb 13, 2013, 04:55 PM
Feb 2013

all 4 of those statements are true.

The additional 30 days would only come into play if the AG cannot make a legal determination on the validity of the contract. That's where the additional 30 days would come into play.

The timeline as I understand it was the original PMA would have expired on Dec. 31. Corbett then offered the contract to the AG around Jan. 15 or so. That's when the original 30 day period was set in motion.

This additional 30 day would only come into play by the AG.

PRETZEL

(3,245 posts)
8. And the response from the Administration
Thu Feb 14, 2013, 02:26 PM
Feb 2013

will be that seniors in PA are the ones who lose here.

Yeah, the 50M would be nice for the system, but there was no guarantee going forward that this funding will remain as part of the base allocation.

PRETZEL

(3,245 posts)
10. The Morning Call gave three reason,
Thu Feb 14, 2013, 03:10 PM
Feb 2013
http://www.mcall.com/news/breaking/mc-pa-lottery-contract-illegal-kane-20130214,0,205807.story

snip

Kane gave three reasons:

•The executive branch exceeded its authority under the Pennsylvania Constitution by unlawfully infringing on the General Assembly's power to make basic policy choices regarding the management and operation of the Lottery.

•The development of monitor-based or other electronic games such as KENO is not authorized by the State Lottery Act, and it usurps the authority of the General Assembly to the Pennsylvania Gaming Control Board.

•Allowing Camelot to be indemnified for "indirect expenses" as provided in the contract is an unconstitutional waiver of the constitution's sovereign immunity doctrine

snip

Of the three reasons, I've always felt that the second one held the most weight. Keno and Internet based games probably fall under the Gaming Commission, not the Lottery Commission.
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