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diabeticman

(3,121 posts)
Tue Aug 6, 2013, 11:19 PM Aug 2013

What is with all the ads about the Highmark BC/BS and UPMC "fall out"

In the Pittsburgh are/Western PA UPMC is a chain of various hospitals. In the town we live in the hospital is considered a UPMC hospital. My wife and I have been seeing ads saying Highmark is trying to undermined UPMC and other ads saying UPMC is just greedy money hungry.

What exactly is happening AND I do have BC/BS will this effect my care?

The ads give so little detail and confusing ones that I'm not sure what to think or begin to understand.

Does anyone know if anything like this is happening in other states?


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What is with all the ads about the Highmark BC/BS and UPMC "fall out" (Original Post) diabeticman Aug 2013 OP
I am not sure if it is true, Curmudgeoness Aug 2013 #1
I think there is no change until 2015? femmocrat Aug 2013 #2
UPMC has made noise about Highmark insureds being "out of network" Divernan Aug 2013 #3

Curmudgeoness

(18,219 posts)
1. I am not sure if it is true,
Wed Aug 7, 2013, 08:46 PM
Aug 2013

but a neighbor, who goes to a UPMC doctor and hospital, has just changed insurance from BC/BS because she was told that her insurance would no longer be able to be used there. I don't know if it was her doctor, or an insurance agent, or just rumor where she heard this. She is moving from BC/BS to UPMC insurance.

I say this is an expected result of allowing a health care provider to get into the health insurance business. But no one ever listens when I warn about these things---I even had a boss who said that my playing devil's advocate was not entertaining to him. Shit, it is just called realism.

femmocrat

(28,394 posts)
2. I think there is no change until 2015?
Wed Aug 7, 2013, 10:00 PM
Aug 2013

I hope they work it out before then. All they are doing is scaring people with those ads. For what they are paying on advertising, they could probably reach a settlement. I have Highmark and cannot imagine not being able to go to UPMC. They saved my husband's life at Presby. I don't want to go anywhere else for something major.

I have a friend who had UPMC's Medicare supplemental and she couldn't wait to get rid of it. She was very dissatisfied with it.

Divernan

(15,480 posts)
3. UPMC has made noise about Highmark insureds being "out of network"
Thu Aug 8, 2013, 10:11 AM
Aug 2013

and therefore being charged much higher fees for everything. However, for those of us on Medicare, Medicare is our primary insurer and Highmark is our secondary - so apparently UPMC does not dare declare Medicare as being "out of network". Entirely too much testosterone in the corporate suites at both organizations - it's like the Hatfields and the McCoys. Why do they sue each other? Because they can.

Bits and pieces on the general topic:

I think it is too early to change insurers - particularly if you could get hit with pre-existing conditions denials down the road.

UPMC's president/CEO, Jeffrey Romoff's compensation package was more than $6 million in 2012! That's $4.3 million base salary, plus bonus and other compensation. This for a non-profit!

Saw a tweet: "State Rep. Christiana (R!?!) seeking sponsors for bill requiring UPMC to accept Highmark." The drama continues.

And check out the series in the New York Times comparing costs of healthcare between US and other developed countries.

The most recent segment, which was discussed on NPR yesterday, dealt with hip/joint replacement. An American whose insurance denied covering him for hip replacement, saying it was a pre-existing condition, found out he'd have to pay over $100,000 to have the procedure done in the states, but could go to Belgium - which he did - and got EVERYTHING: top-of-the-line artificial hip (made in the States), operation, top orthopedic surgeon,operating room/recovery room costs, all doctors' and nurses' fees; medicine, 5 day hospital stay, week at a rehab center, PLUS round trip airfare between the US and Belgium - ALL FOR $13,660.00.


Belgium has among the lowest surgical infection rates in the world, LOWER THAN IN THE U.S., and is known for good doctors. While most Belgian physicians and hospitals are in business for themselves, the government sets pricing and limits profits. Hospitals get a fixed daily rate and surgeons receive a fee for each surgery, which are negotiated each year between national medical groups and the state. "Mr. Shopenn’s surgery, which was uneventful, took place on a Tuesday. On Friday he was transferred for a week to the hospital’s rehabilitation unit, where he was taught exercises to perform once he got home. 12 days after his arrival, he paid the hospital’s standard price for hip replacements for foreign patients. 6 weeks later he saw an orthopedist in Seattle, where he was living at the time, to remove stitches and take a postoperative X-ray. “He said there was no need for further visits, that the hip looked great, to go out and enjoy myself,” Mr. Shopenn said.


http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/04/health/for-medical-tourists-simple-math.html?smid=fb-share&_r=0

U.S. manufacturers and "intermediaries" (?) would have charged him up to $37,000 for a device they manufacture for $350; and $65,000 for the hospital - PLUS surgeon's & anesthesiologist's fees; week in rehab. Then the typical US hospital ripoff: $9 for a Tylenol tablet;$70 for use of a heating pad.

The hip implant for Joe Catugno, a patient at the Hospital for Joint Diseases in New York, accounted for nearly $37,000 of his approximately $100,000 hospital bill.
Is everybody clear about the mark up? From $350 to $37,000 ! !
Read the great article to get the disgusting details of how Big Medicine cuts deals with European governments, which demand it, to keep costs down - but gets by with charging unconscionable fees in the US.

He described the Belgian hospital as modern, with new furnishings and equipment - but plain and basic. No Starbucks in the lobby, no elaborate landscaping outside, or artwork inside. I know the new UPMC hospital in Monroeville, PA, has flat screen TVs in each room, a kitchen with a brick oven for pizza, etc.
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