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RainCaster

(10,877 posts)
Tue Oct 18, 2022, 04:57 PM Oct 2022

Few want to work for Amazon

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Leaked documents show just how fast employees are leaving Amazon

Last year, only a third of Amazon’s new hires stayed with the company for more than 90 days before quitting, being fired, or getting laid off, according to leaked documents obtained by Engadget. The report is the latest indication that Amazon is having serious issues retaining employees, and it reveals the company’s estimate that its attrition rate costs it almost $8 billion a year across its global consumer field operations team.

The report, which is based off internal research papers, slide decks, and spreadsheets from Amazon, claims that workers are twice as likely to leave by choice, rather than because they were laid off or fired. It also says that the issue is widespread throughout the company, not just with warehouse workers; from entry level roles all the way up to vice presidents, the lowest attrition rate for one of the company’s 10 tiers of employees was almost 70 percent, with the highest reaching a staggering 81.3 percent.

The report doesn’t specify which class of employees had the highest attrition rate, but it’s well known that Amazon’s warehouses and other fulfillment facilities have more turnover than the rest of the industry. According to a report from The New York Times, around three percent of the company’s hourly employees left each week, and leaked internal memos obtained by Recode show that the company is worried about literally running out of people who’d be willing to work for it within the next few years (and even sooner, in some areas).

But while some Amazon warehouse workers have been making it very obvious why people don’t necessarily want to stay in those roles, Engadget notes that managers are also leaving thanks to issues with “development and promotions,” or otherwise advancing their careers at Amazon. Some of this may come down to the training programs the company provides, which are reportedly important for moving up at Amazon, but are seemingly run in a disorganized and potentially wasteful manner, according to the documents cited by the report. Amazon didn’t immediately respond to The Verge’s request for comment on Engadget’s report.


The link to the Engadget report is included as well, and it's also no-pay-wall.

Small excerpt from the Engadget article:
Those 10-K filings do tell a small story in themselves, though. A smaller, scrappier Amazon of days past included the line “we believe that our future success will depend in part on our continued ability to attract, hire, and retain qualified personnel” for nearly 20 years in its annual filings, but seemingly abandoned that belief in its report from 2009 onward. For the report summarizing 2020 Amazon renamed the “employees” subsection of its preamble to “human capital” — the same year it stopped including the phrase “we consider our employee relations to be good.”
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Few want to work for Amazon (Original Post) RainCaster Oct 2022 OP
Chaos at Leviathan vendor? bucolic_frolic Oct 2022 #1
Amazon would do well to promote unions and higher paying jobs with benefits PortTack Oct 2022 #2
Are they the symptom, or the problem? cachukis Oct 2022 #3
That's like asking if Ukraine is at fault with Russia RainCaster Oct 2022 #4
Oh good grief Genki Hikari Oct 2022 #5

PortTack

(32,767 posts)
2. Amazon would do well to promote unions and higher paying jobs with benefits
Tue Oct 18, 2022, 05:32 PM
Oct 2022

In today’s fast moving economy bezos may find himself at the bottom of the barrel with no one to make his behemoth go. Nothing lasts forever…go ahead, keep trying to cheat the little guy..while all the time they get smarter about your gig and say no thanks!

cachukis

(2,239 posts)
3. Are they the symptom, or the problem?
Tue Oct 18, 2022, 05:47 PM
Oct 2022

It would seem the citizenry they draw from are either from a pampered world or their business plan needs an update.
Immigrants generally take lower paying laborious jobs because they are outside the system.
Mind you, I'm throwing out initial thoughts that need refinement.
Maybe the turmoil that parallels the pandemic overwhelmed the management of the iron fist.
It seems, politically, there is a lot of support for the iron fist, but in actuality, it is causing, maybe, some iron fosters to have second thoughts.
Just positing here.
Groundswells take time to exhibit.

RainCaster

(10,877 posts)
4. That's like asking if Ukraine is at fault with Russia
Tue Oct 18, 2022, 07:45 PM
Oct 2022

There are a large number of companies that hire folks you call "privileged". Very few have problems like this, and none have it as bad as Amazon. None of the other hyper-scalers have an attrition problem approaching 15% of what is described in the documents here.

As one who has been in this business for 40+ years, they have a reputation.

 

Genki Hikari

(1,766 posts)
5. Oh good grief
Tue Oct 18, 2022, 08:01 PM
Oct 2022

It's not about workers from a pampered world, or about immigrants, and Amazon's staffing problems started before the pandemic. Note the date stamp on these articles:

https://www.theverge.com/2019/10/1/20892693/amazon-protest-time-off-part-time-workers-sacramento-fired

https://www.theverge.com/2019/10/3/20897119/amazon-workers-walk-out-protest-part-time-work-minnesota

https://time.com/5629233/amazon-warehouse-employee-treatment-robots/

Amazon has staffing problems because they treat their employees like crap. Sometimes, it really is that simple.

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