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Brexit poll: Half of Britons support second referendum (Original Post) shenmue Dec 2017 OP
The problem with the first referendum ... VMA131Marine Dec 2017 #1
Lack of knowledge is the single biggest problem here T_i_B Dec 2017 #2
Actually it would be a third referendum. The Brexiters didn't Respect the Result in 1975 LeftishBrit Dec 2017 #3
Brexit? It's rather 'screwxit'. blacklisted Jan 2018 #4

VMA131Marine

(4,139 posts)
1. The problem with the first referendum ...
Mon Dec 4, 2017, 09:36 PM
Dec 2017

Was that nobody who voted to leave really knew what they were voting for. Today's debacle on the Irish border issue shows that it is still not possible to predict if there will be an agreement on the terms of Britain leaving or if the country will crash out of the EU and be forced into WTO rules. Anything that results in a hard border in Ireland will be a disaster.

T_i_B

(14,738 posts)
2. Lack of knowledge is the single biggest problem here
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 08:53 AM
Dec 2017

People don't have a clue about the role of the EU, and because of this a lot of liars and charlatans have been able to spread a lot of disinformation unchallenged.

During the referendum campaign it became clear that because of my career I know more about the single market than most others in the campaign, never mind the rest of the population. However there were huge and important issues that I did not really know anything about.

The person on the "Stronger In" campaign I reported to was very knowledgeable about the Article 50 process because of her background (which is much more impressive than mine). That is a big subject that very few people grasped in any way.

The issue currently dominating and derailing negotiations is Northern Ireland, which again, hardly anybody on this side of the Irish sea grasped at all.

With so little understanding of the issue or what is at stake, it was easy for "Vote Leave" to turn the referendum into a contest to see who can lie the loudest. EU membership cannot be decided in any credible way by such a referendum.

And this is why I refuse to "respect the result" as Brexshitters wish. That would be like accepting that the world is flat just because the Flat Earth Society had persuaded people otherwise.

blacklisted

(4 posts)
4. Brexit? It's rather 'screwxit'.
Mon Jan 8, 2018, 08:43 PM
Jan 2018

If for a whole day all non-British people who live in UK would wear a white ribbon on their left arm then the 'brexiters' would most likely get a 'reality-check':
enough to imagine that every single person with such a ribbon is not there, anymore!!!
... no more basic services, no more health, transport, education, etc.

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