Lord Kinnock is an idiot

[Jeneral2885]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/Jeremy_Corbyn/12125539/Lord-Kinnock-Jeremy-Corbyn-should-resign-or-face-leadership-challenge-if-Labours-fortunes-do-not-improve.html

Momentum protest outside his house! Corbynites love Corbyn!!! No Trident! No military!

[Ken Burch]

1. Look,we all know you wouldn't vote for Labour under ANY possible leader.

And Kinnock, one of the worst leaders Labour ever had, basically agrees with Cameron on everything, so why should anyone listen to him?

As a result of everything he supported changing withing Labour, the 1997 "victory" ended up being worthless. There's nothing Blair ever did that Major would have disagreed with.

[LeftishBrit]

2. Kinnock doesn't agree with Cameron on everything

He was not a very effective leader of the party, but he is hardly responsible for Blairism.

It's true that Blair and Major were not strongly politically distinguishable (except that Blair was personally nastier, but the people around him were better); but there was a huge difference between Kinnock and Thatcher or even Major.

[Ken Burch]

3. Even after he kicked the left out of the party and endorsed the Bomb?

People who decide that activists are no longer welcome in an anti-Tory party can't be all that anti-Tory.

Nor are people who still think internal party democracy shouldn't be restored and Labour policy should be decided solely the party leader her or himself.

And Kinnock's preferred candidate for the Labour leadership wanted the party to back the benefits cap and the budget charter. If Labour did those two things, that would remove any possibility of a Labour government being able to do anything at all that's different than what a Tory government would do. Nothing social democratic can ever be done within Tory spending limits.

[LeftishBrit]

4. He didn't kick the left out of the party

If anyone moved the party significantly to the right, it was Callaghan - and much more so, the IMF, and their economic blackmail in 1976.

Kinnock was ineffective, a flip-flopper, quite unable to handle the infighting within his party- all that is perfectly true. But it's still a tragedy that he failed to defeat Thatcher in 1987. And that 'the Sun won it' against him in '92.

And virtually all Labour leaders have supported keeping our WMD.

Kinnock has no real influence nowadays, anyway.