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OKNancy

(41,832 posts)
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 05:19 PM Jun 2015

Why Hillary Clinton is Wisely Resisting Bernie Sander’s Political Strategy - HRC ROOM POST

http://thedailybanter.com/2015/06/why-hillary-clinton-is-wisely-resisting-bernie-sanders-political-strategy/

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Since her campaign began, Hillary Clinton has wisely embraced President Obama, and advocated for policies that appeal to voters in the Obama coalition, particularly black voters. It should be lost on no one that, with the eyes of the world watching the Supreme Court, Hillary chose to send an image in which she is literally embracing President Obama. The lingering bad blood from the 2008 Democratic primary presented an uphill climb for Clinton, and she has climbed it steadily.

What makes Hillary’s continued, conspicuous embrace of President Obama remarkable is the pressure that the media is applying for her to abandon him, in the form of so-called “Bernie-mentum.” Ever since Senator Bernie Sanders (I-VT) announced his candidacy for president, liberal media types have been hyping Sanders as a stalking horse for Clinton. Then, the mainstream media got into the act by hyping poll results designed to heighten Hillary’s anxiety, polls with a rather unmistakable message.

First, there were a pair of polls showing Bernie Sanders within long-range spitting of Hillary in New Hampshire and Iowa, the first two states to vote in the primary. This was how the political media was framing both candidates’ visits to South Carolina last week, on the eve of the racist terrorist attack that eclipsed the entire nation. At the same time, Quinnipiac swing-state polls were being hyped to show alleged weakness for Hillary in Ohio and Pennsylvania (in Ohio, only Gov. John Kasich beat her head-to-head, while in Pennsylvania, Clinton got edged by Rand Paul and Marco Rubio).


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Sanders’ lack of appeal to black voters makes him the de facto candidate for a strong block of white Democratic voters who either reject, or place a very low priority, on policies like police reform, voting rights, and immigration. He’s also the beneficiary of a political media that’s eager to take Hillary Clinton down several pegs, and will hype any bit of good polling news to do it.
The fact is, though, that Bernie Sanders cannot hurt Hillary Clinton, only Hillary Clinton can do that. There will be no disappointed Bernie Sanders voters who will end up voting Republican in 2016. There may be some who stay home if Hillary is nominated, but I doubt there are very many. The Obama coalition that she needs to turn out in 2016 are far more numerous than the white emoprogs who will sit out if Bernie isn’t nominated.
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Why Hillary Clinton is Wisely Resisting Bernie Sander’s Political Strategy - HRC ROOM POST (Original Post) OKNancy Jun 2015 OP
Yep shenmue Jun 2015 #1
K&R! hrmjustin Jun 2015 #2
Nailed it! leftofcool Jun 2015 #3
KnR! sheshe2 Jun 2015 #4
Exactly, she is the leader, there isn't any need to play offense, this is for other candidates. Thinkingabout Jun 2015 #5
Kick & recommended. William769 Jun 2015 #6
and as for the TPP... DURHAM D Jun 2015 #7
I never really talk about it on DU OKNancy Jun 2015 #10
White emoprogs Stuckinthebush Jun 2015 #8
Me, too. Learned a new word today. okasha Jun 2015 #15
Just read a post stating that Hillary should "attack more". She doesn't need to do that. Tarheel_Dem Jun 2015 #9
She's saving it for the general okasha Jun 2015 #21
emoprog--ah-had to look riversedge Jun 2015 #11
Thanks riversedge.. exactly.. Cha Jun 2015 #13
you are welcome. In solidarity riversedge Jun 2015 #14
OMG - that 2nd one is a perfect description of DURHAM D Jun 2015 #16
A non sex-related UrbanDictionary definition... Jamaal510 Jun 2015 #19
Pic of Hillary and the President when ACA passed! Anyway, what's not to embrace? Just bc Cha Jun 2015 #12
I don't understand the reference to "stalking horse" Jim Lane Jun 2015 #17
I'll take a wild gander-- Starry Messenger Jun 2015 #18
I agree... Sancho Jun 2015 #20

DURHAM D

(32,611 posts)
7. and as for the TPP...
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 06:52 PM
Jun 2015

If you ask 100 people (voters) out on the street what they think about the TPP over 90 of them will -



OKNancy

(41,832 posts)
10. I never really talk about it on DU
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 07:54 PM
Jun 2015

I think it was Krugman who said... it isn't as good as Obama thinks, and it won't be as bad as the critics say.
I agree with that. It certainly isn't the hair on fire: The end of the middle class!!!! I'm series!!!

Tarheel_Dem

(31,241 posts)
9. Just read a post stating that Hillary should "attack more". She doesn't need to do that.
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 06:59 PM
Jun 2015

There's a time & place for all that. I'm sure that Sec Clinton knows by now that she is not going to be a media darling. Matt Iglesias was truthful in his piece where he chastised his colleagues for failing to admit the obvious: "Hillary Clinton is Popular", and he also admitted that "journalists just don't like her".

They really are hoping for a repeat of 2008, but there's just one problem with that: she has essentially inherited the Obama coalition.

riversedge

(70,311 posts)
11. emoprog--ah-had to look
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 08:18 PM
Jun 2015

up that word....


http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=emoprog

Top Definition
emoprog



A pejorative used by hawkish, austerity-loving conservatives who think they're Liberals because they're not or barely not racist or anti-gay. Emoprogs make fake Democrat get their undies in a bunch because emoprogs insist that Democrats act like Democrats and not like Reagan Republicans.
Billy doesn't want to bomb Damascus with depleted uranium shells, he must be an emoprog.

Susie is an emoprog because she won't meet the republicans half-way on cutting Social Security earned benefits. But screw the elderly, I want a tax cut.

......................

**I think one fits better??

http://shoqvalue.com/an-extended-definition-of-emo-progressive-and-why-it-matters/
Emo Progressive

The Original Definition, reprinted from Urban Dictionary

Emo Progressive (or "emoprog&quot is a self-described liberal or progressive, often with strong libertarian leanings, whose primary political orientation is to be angry, dissatisfied and unhappy with the state of the nation at any given time, because in their view, liberal policies are not being implemented quickly enough or articulated forcefully enough. They have particular contempt for Democratic presidents.

Emoprogs are ideological purists who disdain compromise and incremental change, which they see as "selling out" classical liberal ideas like full employment, an end to all wars, state secrets, and liberal social policy.

Emoprogs dislike Republicans but reserve their greatest disdain for Democratic presidents, whom they relentlessly attack for not meeting a set of ideological goal posts that are constantly adjusted to ensure that the president will be deemed a disappointment, "not progressive enough" or "just like a Republican" no matter what policy achievements are made. ...........................
by DoctorSerizawa September 21, 2013

Cha

(297,730 posts)
13. Thanks riversedge.. exactly..
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 08:21 PM
Jun 2015

Emoprogs dislike Republicans but reserve their greatest disdain for Democratic presidents, whom they relentlessly attack for not meeting a set of ideological goal posts that are constantly adjusted to ensure that the president will be deemed a disappointment, "not progressive enough" or "just like a Republican" no matter what policy achievements are made

DURHAM D

(32,611 posts)
16. OMG - that 2nd one is a perfect description of
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 09:41 PM
Jun 2015

so many DUers. I wish they would form their own Emoprog Group and leave greater DU alone. Or maybe they could be voted onto that island by all the rest of the members.

However, I do worry about them. Do they have friends, are they close to their family, do they have healthy outlets for their anxiety/anger? I think for some DU may be all they have in the way of social interaction but they do make DU suck. As irritating as they are I still hope they are okay irl.

Jamaal510

(10,893 posts)
19. A non sex-related UrbanDictionary definition...
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 01:01 PM
Jun 2015

there's something you don't see everyday. J/K
Also that 2nd definition really hit home, like with the part about relating to 3rd party politics while ignoring Congress's role. I saw a lot of that once when lurking on one FB page out of boredom, where posters were falsely equating the 2 parties and calling for a non-mainstream candidate to get in the fray (while not discussing how s/he would govern with Congress). It's enough to drive a politics-buff insane.

Cha

(297,730 posts)
12. Pic of Hillary and the President when ACA passed! Anyway, what's not to embrace? Just bc
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 08:20 PM
Jun 2015

the majority on DU rec OPs like he's a "pos used car salesman" doesn't mean shite in real life.



Mahalo Nancy! Great ariticle~

 

Jim Lane

(11,175 posts)
17. I don't understand the reference to "stalking horse"
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 12:20 AM
Jun 2015

The author writes: "Ever since Senator Bernie Sanders (I-VT) announced his candidacy for president, liberal media types have been hyping Sanders as a stalking horse for Clinton."

I always understood the term in the sense given in the Wikipedia article:

A stalking horse is a figure that tests a concept with someone or mounts a challenge against someone on behalf of an anonymous third party. If the idea proves viable or popular, the anonymous figure can then declare its interest and advance the concept with little risk of failure. If the concept fails, the anonymous party will not be tainted by association with the failed concept and can either drop the idea completely or bide its time and wait until a better moment for launching an attack.


No one is a stalking horse for Clinton when she's openly in the race herself.

I can't even figure out what the author was trying to say. Some people (not including me) might think that Sanders was a stalking horse for Elizabeth Warren, if Warren's protestations that she wasn't running were just a ploy. The "stalking horse" idea would be that, if Sanders's challenge to Clinton from the left did well, then Warren could enter the race, but stay out if Clinton fended off the challenge. That would make no sense in terms of everything we know about Warren. It also wouldn't fit with this passage, because I haven't seen any "liberal media types" raising that suggestion.

Does anyone have any guesses about what's meant?

Starry Messenger

(32,342 posts)
18. I'll take a wild gander--
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 01:09 AM
Jun 2015

since it's a CT I've seen in some posts on FB by some ultra-ultra lefty types--that Bernie is only in the race to keep the left interested and energized about the election, and then when Clinton wins the primary, that heightened level of interest will transfer to HRC. People who fancy themselves clever say they've seen through this ruse and denounce Bernie as hopelessly compromised.

(I don't subscribe to this theory, I'm merely passing it on for information.)

Sancho

(9,070 posts)
20. I agree...
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 05:08 PM
Jun 2015

Hillary was with the Reverend the day he was killed, and attended the funeral. She is noticed by Obama supporters, and shows her true commitment to social justice.

The attacks on Hillary are relentless, but don't really change anything.

She hasn't criticized Obama on TPP, and I cannot believe that this President would negotiate and sign a trade agreement that really hurts American workers.

I also don't think he's stupid.

We'll see...

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