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athena

(4,187 posts)
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 12:28 PM Apr 2016

Bernie's promise to overturn Citizens United

When I first heard this during one of the debates, I couldn't believe it. He was making a promise he surely knew he couldn't keep. Hillary must have thought it would be too aggressive and disrespectful to point this out explicitly. In her response, she simply said this is why it's so important to choose a Democrat in the General Election. It seemed to go over everybody's head, though, since Bernie continues to repeat the promise, and his supporters can't seem to get enough of it.

Here is an article I found today that explains exactly why this promise is so unrealistic:
http://www.latimes.com/opinion/opinion-la/la-ol-bernie-sanders-supreme-court-citizens-united-20160415-story.html

A Supreme Court nominee who promised to vote a certain way would almost certainly be unconfirmable and probably would be rated unqualified by the American Bar Assn. In the unlikely event that such a nominee were confirmed, he or she would (rightly) be pressed not to participate in any case that might put Citizens United in jeopardy.


The article is not long. Every Hillary supporter should read it.
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athena

(4,187 posts)
6. Exactly.
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 12:50 PM
Apr 2016

Respecting precedent is different from overturning a decision. Moreover, Hillary never went as far as Bernie did. From the article:

To be fair, Hillary Clinton flirted with the idea of a litmus test -- actually two litmus tests -- in the debate. She said:

“You know, there is no doubt that the only people that I would ever appoint to the Supreme Court are people who believe that Roe vs. Wade is settled law and Citizens United needs to be overturned.” But Clinton didn’t say she would require a public promise from a nominee that he or she would vote to reaffirm Roe vs. Wade or overrule Citizens United.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
12. Do they think they're voting for KING BERNIE?
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 02:42 PM
Apr 2016

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Koinos

(2,792 posts)
14. I think they have something higher than king in mind.
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 04:42 PM
Apr 2016

I liked "Mr. Magorium's Wonder Emporium." But it was fantasy, and things don't happen magically. The real world is about hard work, incremental change, working within existing systems, and following rules -- including the laws of nature and society. Knowing how things work and how to get things done is a matter of experience and wisdom. Ends require means, things don't just happen because we want them to, and progress is never immediate.

athena

(4,187 posts)
16. That's exactly right.
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 08:18 PM
Apr 2016

It looks like many of Bernie's supporters just discovered politics last month. They don't even seem to know that there is something called the separation of powers.

yallerdawg

(16,104 posts)
5. Good article.
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 12:50 PM
Apr 2016

Unless you have an ironclad party majority in the Senate, presidents don't get to pick their dream justice anymore.

We are on the verge of needing a Democratic Senate majority to get another justice - ever.

 

Her Sister

(6,444 posts)
11. Thanks for this article! Press doing it's work!! YAY!
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 02:42 PM
Apr 2016
Sorry, but there’s a big difference between choosing a nominee you suspect might share your views about Roe vs. Wade or Citizens United and demanding a promise that the nominee would vote to reverse a ruling. The latter approach is not just politically stupid; it undermines the independence of the judiciary.

Someone as experienced in politics as Sanders should know the difference.


I guess he doesn't!?

http://www.latimes.com/opinion/opinion-la/la-ol-bernie-sanders-supreme-court-citizens-united-20160415-story.html

stopbush

(24,396 posts)
17. Like Trump, Sanders offers up red meat to his ignorant supporters
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 11:25 PM
Apr 2016

while disqualifying himself from any consideration to be the D nominee.

He really needs to go back to the bubble of his back bench in the Senate. Better yet, I think Burlington needs their socialist mayor back.

Cha

(297,317 posts)
19. No sane judge would pass Bernie Sanders' Supreme Court litmus test
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 12:21 AM
Apr 2016
Whoa.

This statement is shocking less because Sanders would be asking a nominee to behave unethically than for what it shows about Sanders’ understanding of politics.

A Supreme Court nominee who promised to vote a certain way would almost certainly be unconfirmable and probably would be rated unqualified by the American Bar Assn. In the unlikely event that such a nominee were confirmed, he or she would (rightly) be pressed not to participate in any case that might put Citizens United in jeopardy
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http://www.latimes.com/opinion/opinion-la/la-ol-bernie-sanders-supreme-court-citizens-united-20160415-story.html

Mahalo Athena.. good it's in the LA Times where California will be coming up!
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