I am leary of posting this but... HRC ROOM

[hrmjustin]

HILLARY CLINTON ROOM.

It is becoming clearer after these last few weeks and particularly last night that vocal Hillary Clinton supporters are being targeted for hides.

Last night people put legitimate concerns foward about Sanders and two posts were hidden. All the hides were aboug were stifling opposition to Sanders.

We are in the minority here and that has become clearer as great posters have been alert stalked and gotten bogus hides and forced vacations. It is getting harder to post here due to fear of hides and the vitriol being hurled at HRC and her supporters here.

I am leary of posting this meta here because it is very meta but as a host I have leeway on it. This needs to be said.

Just be careful what you say and use ignore and the trash function if you are inclined to.

Use your jury blacklist.


BE CAUTIOUS how you respond to this thread because people are watching and have itchy fingers on that alert button. I expect to be alerted on but it needs to be said.

And again this is a reminder this is the HRC room which is for supporters.

[Sancho]

1. Thanks, I agree...

I haven't had a "hide" yet, but some alerts were weird including some I saw as one of the jury.

I hate to think a group or subset of DU would manipulate the system, but it's possible.

[hrmjustin]

3. It is clear to me there is alert stslking and that we are on the receiving end of it.

Just a shame.

[hrmjustin]

4. I am glad you are strong.

Stay strong.

[okasha]

71. There's proof, if anyone needed it.

[hrmjustin]

72. Clearly they are reading this forum and looking for anything to be alerted on.

[mcar]

107. I cannot believe that got a hide

Sure proves the point.

[misterhighwasted]

13. Yes. ^This

[redstateblues]

5. It is almost like there is a Sanders

Enforcement Committee ready to pounce on any post that is not pro Sanders. I am a lifelong Democrat have been here for 11 years and I haven't seen anything like it.

[hrmjustin]

6. It certainly feels this way and felt that way late last night.

[misterhighwasted]

16. There is, & they've been doing so since E Warren.

Same people, same method, same old same old...

[lewebley3]

28. Agreed with you Redstateblues: Sanders supporters have a nasty streak.

I cannot tell sometimes, if Sanders supporters are just the GOP
playing games.

[LuvLoogie]

102. It doesn't matter who they are.

I don't care. I'm voting for Hillary. Bernie doesn't want to be President. He just wants his way. So he lofts political Hail Mary's from a safe seat in the one state he has spent his entire career.

Sure you can pay for "free" college and "free" healthcare for everyone by taxing the rich and cutting defense-- but getting it passed? and without compromises?

Vermont voted for single payer but couldn't afford it. Feel the Bern!!

[lewebley3]

104. Agreed: Bernie has had no political fights: He has never been tested!

Last edited Wed Jul 1, 2015, 01:09 PM - Edit history (1)

He has not lead the DNC party: he has no accomplishments
except become a senator of a small state: 600,0000 people,
he has never organized a campaign and had to fight
the GOP. Hillary has, she is an experienced Democrat.

She also served two successful Administrations, she is ready
to become the executive of these United States.

Go Hillary

[lewebley3]

47. Agreed: Sanders supporters always blocking themselves, so no one can reply!

[Cha]

89. Well said, rsb

[lewebley3]

105. Agreed, The Sanders Group tells lies, and then people are blocked !

Sanders supporters are just running a smear campaign!

[misterhighwasted]

7. Of course we are being targeted. That fact was blatanly said to my DU face recently.

That was intimidation & I indeed felt it as a threat as an accepted posting member of this Great democratic leaning site.
Did I voice my concerns about the matter?
Of course. I'm not a coward nor a bully.

GDP was the fairest way to maintain consideration & respect to other members.
And the Trash tool is the best tool to move those, who verbally threaten the right of others to be part of DU, through intimidation, out of eyesite if necessary.

I appreciate the admins for providing the tools to customize our pages.
Thanks

[hrmjustin]

9. Some of them are upfront about what they are doing.

[still_one]

8. I am not sure. Listening to other candidates supporters they claim DU "bias" against their

candidate. What I do know is that I believe the jury system is flawed because it seems to me that a lot of the jurors express their personal bias in their decision rather than removing that bias out of the process. That is one reason I refuse to serve on the jury now, because it seems to have evolved into a popularity contest, that is who is the most popular candidate or issue, and less concerned with TOS.

However, I don't set the rules, and just try to avoid those areas where flame bait is common, instead of trying to engage in a normal discussion of issues.

[hrmjustin]

10. I definitely think jurors are using the jury system as a popularity contest.

I opt out of a third of my jury requests.

[misterhighwasted]

18. I would like to see the jury limited to a simple hide/leave. No comments are necessary.

[hrmjustin]

24. Interesting idea.

[still_one]

29. Actually the comments are what expose the bias of the jurors in my view

[Jim Lane]

31. I'd rather see comments made mandatory.

Providing some sort of explanation is beneficial to the alerter, the person alerted on, and the other jurors. If someone finds it too burdensome to write at least a sentence, then he or she should opt out of that jury.

[misterhighwasted]

32. Mandatory would be appreciated also.

Prefer that to silence except from one who indulges their position by taking a nasty personal swipe at the alerter.

[Jim Lane]

33. I don't even mind the attacks on the alerter.

If it's a purely personal attack, that serves to reveal the juror's bias. If it's legitimate and substantive, it may help counteract the alert stalking referred to in the OP. Occasionally I've written something like "This is a really silly alert" when I thought that merely voting to Leave the post wasn't enough.

[misterhighwasted]

34. Thats an acceptable response and kind.

I am referring those who comments are intentionally biased & mean.

[hrmjustin]

75. You can also alert on jury results.

[Thinkingabout]

78. Did not know this, can there be a change in the jury decision?

[hrmjustin]

79. No but if someone goes over the line in their remarks they msybr removed from the jury pool.

[Thinkingabout]

80. Thanks

[hrmjustin]

81. My pleasure.

[Renew Deal]

86. Why opt out?

Why leave the decision to someone else?

[hrmjustin]

87. Different reasons. .

Sometimes i just am too busy to give itbthe attention it deserves. Sometimes the post is a head scratcher and i opt out.

Sometimes I like the poster but I can't vote to leave a post but don't want to vote for a hide.

[yallerdawg]

11. Now that GD is cleaned out...

and we have our HRC safe haven for positive posting, and Hillary Mojo, I am much more relaxed. I don't care what they say - I don't read it at all.

"Goosfraba..."

[hrmjustin]

12. I am glad we have this room as well.

[Sheepshank]

67. Am I missing something on Hillary Mojo?

I don't see a discussion room?

I sometimes enjoy the back and forth on GD...in a self mutilating kind of way.

[yallerdawg]

68. A link to the Mojo!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1107&pid=7277

[Sheepshank]

69. Thank You. I've been to the site, but have not seen a discussion "room" or forum

maybe one doesn't exist?

I do enjoy the articles and the video clips and the loads of useful information. But I enjoy reading people's opinions too. Some af the articles had "comments or remarks".

[yallerdawg]

70. Yes, Hillary Mojo is for fun, positive, like-minded Hillary supporters.

Comments are moderated.

[Iliyah]

14. I've read that safe haven groups are also being stalked and targeted

This is RW/GOP/Libertarian tactic pure and simple. "Democratic" Underground concept of democracy has left the building.

Nevertheless, I will continue to post state opinions.

I'm a strong supporter of HRC who will be the next President of the USA.

[hrmjustin]

15. Sad that they feel the need to silence us.

[misterhighwasted]

17. It is very much a tactic we know the GOP uses.

Agree & have seen the pattern used here over & over.
It is intimidation.
The Right Wing's basic strategy.
IMO

[Lisa D]

20. Yes, a post was hidden in the African American

Group recently too. It was a ridiculous hide, especially in a safe haven.

[skepticscott]

108. Oh, they are indeed

There are lots of people with religious fervor on DU who haunt rooms they have no real interest in, just looking for something to be offended by, or to score points against people they hate.

[misterhighwasted]

19. I am working on my "bern out" gif for Primary Day. When Hillary becomes our Dem candidate

Its not mean or based in ridicule.
I respect Senator Sanders.
It's just a symbol of fond farewell.

[hrmjustin]

21. When that day comes I will just be polite and wish him well.

[misterhighwasted]

22. Yes Sanders is a cool guy. He'd be embarrassed by the tactics of certain posters we find among us

He does not despise Hillary Clinton, and does indeed hold much respect for her accomplishments & honors her lifetime dedication to public service.
They have quite similar beliefs.

Sanders is a fine man & a great Senator.
What he is doing for the 2016 election, is motivating the despondant voters to take their future serious.

Ignoring the 2016 election will give the GOP absolute power.

He is saying, "pay attention!"
But he will graciously support his friend Hillary Clinton as she stands against the powerful backroom money machine of the RW.
Too bad the anti Hillary vocal groups cannot see this campaign for what it really is.

[hrmjustin]

23. I always liked sanders.

The shame is hpw some of his supporters are behaving.

That is. Ot to say I am perfect and don't have my own faults.

[misterhighwasted]

26. I feel the same. The nasty ones like some I've met here, are repulsive.

And that is unfortunate for Sen Sanders.
They do him no justice.
Maybe they aren't really for Sanders either..he just becomes their pawn against the enormorsly popular & powerful Hillary Clinton.

Makes you wonder

[hrmjustin]

27. Many of his supporters here are good people but some are here to disrupt.

[Iliyah]

30. No they are not, they are trolls.

And they are easy to spot as well.

[LoveMyCali]

55. I like him also

I just doubt he can stand up to the GOP.

I am a huge fan of Jimmy Carter, he's such a smart man and if only we had listened to him 30 years ago about the energy crisis , however he was just too nice a man to get down and dirty and fight for what he knew was best for this country. I fear that Bernie would be the same and we all know that Hillary is a fighter. We need a fighter!

[hrmjustin]

56. Hillary is a fighter and she is the best choice.

[LoveMyCali]

57. Yes she is!

I just made my first donation for this campaign. It was only five dollars and money is really tight for me right now but it's worth giving up a couple of cups or coffee or some other silly purchase that I always seem to manage even though I really shouldn't be spending the money. At least this is a wise investment.

[hrmjustin]

58. Good for you my friend.

Every bit of money helps.

[misterhighwasted]

63. Yup. That's why we are here.

[hrmjustin]

65. .

[LuvLoogie]

103. Jimmy Carter was a great Leader.

Things don't change politically until the electorate changes. Politicians never drive change. A great politician understands this and has a feel for what is bubbling underneath the surface of society.

The GOP with its appeal to fear and anger tried to force the tipping points, but Barrack Obama corralled that inertia and gently pulled toward progress with grace and positive motivation.

Jimmy Carter took a stand for America against Apartheid. I will never forget that. That is a bright star for our nation, and it struck a deep advance toward our nation electing its First Black President.

The Alerting Bern-Outs on the other hand?---

[George II]

52. I appreciate Sanders and like just about everything he says, but his "followers" here......

......are souring me, and I'm sure others, to the Sanders message.

[calimary]

106. I appreciate him for all kinds of reasons. But during this campaign he has behaved in a particularly

exemplary fashion. Notice how he never dumps on Hillary. He seems to be adhering to an unspoken "11th Commandment for Democrats" - like reagan's GOP version - "Thou Shalt Not Speak Ill of Another republi-CON" - well, our version would obviously be "Thou Shalt Not Speak Ill of Another Democrat."
All that does is drill holes in the bottom of the boat of whoever's gonna be the last person standing at the end of primary season.
All that does is foster animosity and resentment and encourages people to stay home and pout because they didn't get the candidate they wanted.
All that does is further divide us, when we're ALL going to have to be shoulder-to-shoulder and LOCKSTEP TOGETHER to make sure WE DEMS keep the White House.

ANY of the most recent Supreme Court decisions are proof positive of this - it makes a HUGE difference who gets to nominate Supreme Court justices. You want more scalias and thomases and alitos? Then go ahead - dump on the other Democrat! Make sure everybody's divided and pissed off and resentful at the end, because that is what you WILL wind up with. The BAD GUYS win it and our numbers are all scattered and divided and licking all kinds of wounds real and imagined. And eventually everything that meant anything to you, policy-wise, begins to be dismantled and carved up and warped and shredded and changed - and REVERSED.

Eyes on the PRIZE, guys!

I've noticed Hillary isn't dumping on Bernie either. Nor should she. And he's being most graceful toward her as well. THAT'S HOW IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE!!!!!! And we followers of both these candidates need to take a page from their campaign strategy books, and behave toward each other like THEY are behaving toward each other. I suspect each of them understands that the End Game requires each of their camps to come together as a united front - if there's to be another Democrat in the White House after Barack Obama and family retire from there.

[hrmjustin]

25. kicking.

[Thinkingabout]

35. There was a hide for posting a DU members name in the reply, this is over the top and not good.

[hrmjustin]

38. Yes that is true. Sometimes it is appropriate but sometimes not.

[Gothmog]

36. Can you PM me a list of people to put on my blacklist

[hrmjustin]

37. Sure.

[sheshe2]

42. Please copy it to me as well.

TIA Justin.

[hrmjustin]

44. Sure.

[Gothmog]

82. Thanks-I have actually put people on my jury blacklist for this board

[hrmjustin]

83. It helps. Most of the people I have on my list hate me.

[Gothmog]

84. Again, thanks

[Nitram]

39. I'm still waiting to learn more about Sanders before I decide whether to vote for him or Clinton.

But the more I hear from immature and hostile Bernie supporters, the less inclined I am to vote for him. Bernie, save me from your followers!

[hrmjustin]

40. Yes it is a shame that this is happening here.

[ismnotwasm]

41. Well it's gotten bloody ridiculous that's for sure

And unlike so many, I didn't mind the jury system. I'm reconsidering my opinion, to say the least

[hrmjustin]

45. I used to like it as well but i no longer like it.

[sheshe2]

43. KnR

That is all I will say.

[hrmjustin]

46. .

[sheshe2]

48. ...

[George II]

49. I've seen the same thing - but worse people jumping on Clinton supporters...

....just because they are Clinton supporters.

And they jump into Clinton threads in General Discussion or Latest Breaking News and post attacks on Clinton, inciting arguments.

Not only that, but this site is being flooded with OPs extolling the virtues of Sanders (of which he has many) and then they all "Rec" them so they wind up on the home page.

Although I truly respect Sanders and think he has some great ideas, his followers on this site are souring me on Sanders.

[George II]

50. Case in point....how about this thread?

"Rec if you think Bernie Sanders should live here..."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/128018329

How cheesy can you get, pandering for "Recs" to get up on the home page. And it's only June 2015!

[hrmjustin]

54. I refuse to post Ops in GD.

Not worth it.

[HassleCat]

51. A true generalization

We are not supposed to generalize, but you may have a case here. I am a Sanders supporter, but I notice a certain "hardness" from some of my fellow travelers. I guess they would call it determination, or firm resolve, or something like that, but some of them seem to have a mean streak. As others have pointed out, this is so unlike Sanders himself, who is pretty calm. Anyway it's good to remind people, when they serve on a jury, to read a post carefully, then consider it for a minute before voting to pull the plug.

[hrmjustin]

53. Sanders is a welcoming person.

We shpuld all be so welcoming. Myself included.

[rurallib]

59. oh good grief

well guess I am not welcome here.
I am seriously weighing both sides.
I will be at the caucuses on caucus night and take it very seriously.
I see stuff like this and it really makes me wonder about Hillary.

[hrmjustin]

60. And you felt the need to violate this safe haven to post this?

[rurallib]

61. yep - it was on the latest threads and I didn't look to see the group.

but I will not make that mistake again as i will avoid any Hillary group posts.
Guess I was under the wrong impression that we could respond to posts anywhere in DU.

I am about to the point of leaving DU.

We have three fine candidates. Three of the very best candidates i have seen in decades.
When I see this triping like this it makes me wonder if the candidate is somehow deficient.

I don't seem to see this to the same degree with the O'Malley folks and the Sanders folks.
I open these through latest threads, but I will be careful. I can certainly tell when I am not wanted.

[hrmjustin]

62. I posted two warnings in this thread. If you read thd thread you knew where you were.

[redstateblues]

64. You are seriously weighing both sides

with the Bernie logo on your post? Really? Strains credibility.

[hrmjustin]

66. Problem solved and I did post a warning it was the HRC room.

[okasha]

73. Good job.

[hrmjustin]

74. Thanks.

[misterhighwasted]

85. Good call.

[George II]

88. Go over to the Bernie Sanders group and see how people who aren't 110% behind him are attacked!

[Cha]

90. It "makes" you wonder about Hillary.." because Justin spoke the truth? Wow.

[randys1]

76. And please understand most of these Bernie people would be kicked out of a real Bernie

campaign room.

Calling Black people racists, comparing them to Atwater

Nope, I wont tolerate that shit for one god damn second

[hrmjustin]

77. What was done to 1StrongBlackMan really showed how low DU has gone.

And comparing him to Lee Atwater was atrocious.

[Cha]

92. Oh, I didn't know they "compared him to lee atwater".. not surprised though in this theater of

the absurd.

[hrmjustin]

94. The good thing is the hosts banned that poster from the room.

I think a few eyes across this board was opened today to the tactics of certain people on this board.

[Cha]

96. I hope so!

[hrmjustin]

97. The sad thing is that some are acting like we are making the whole targeting thing up.

[Cha]

98. I noticed.. it only says to me that they're not paying attention or only see what they want to see.

[hrmjustin]

99. I expected this and it is unfortunate.

[Cha]

91. Mahalo for that, randy

[Cha]

93. Mahalo for posting, Justin.. I can see why you woule be "leary" of doing so.. but, I'm glad you did!

Mahalo~

[hrmjustin]

95. My pleasure.

[hrmjustin]

100. kicking.

[AuntPatsy]

101. All this fighting among each other is just not healthy, after all I would hope in the end

we desire the same...

Hillary has name recognition but as some believe that is not her shining attribute, that distinction would be her strength surviving in the world she has chosen and still standing after far too many attempts at ensuring she fall...

Usually men fear such strong females, obviously they are not alone in their fear