It's now acceptable to refer to Hilly Clinton as a whore.

[sufrommich]

ibewlu606 (160 posts)
5. Rec'd

Wall St. knows that when they buy a whore, said whore usually stays bought.


http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251455100


There is apparently no bottom to be reached by some Clinton haters.

[ann---]

1. That is a disgrace

I thought DU was better than that. Guess it isn't.

[Renew Deal]

2. It lets you know what kind of people you're dealing with

They're not on the fringe by accident

[sufrommich]

3. Notice the 4 cowards who voted to leave it didn't

have the courage to explain their votes? I hope Skinner is watching.

[Sheepshank]

62. Yup.. I noticed

Couldn't t help but assume that without any comment, it must mean that anything anti Hillary was going to be protected speech no matter how much against decent standards that comment may be.

[Adrahil]

63. I was one of the three...

... and thought it was a slam dunk 7-0 or 6-1 hide. No way I thought 4 DUers would think it OK to use that word, especially against a female Democratic candidate.

I'm STILL shocked.

[MADem]

27. EVERYONE reading this thread needs to go to that thread and alert on that post ANYWAY.

You'll get back the "This thread was already alerted on" notice, but the admins see EVERY SINGLE ALERT post--if enough of us tell them what they think about this poster--whose profile shows us a pattern of activity limited to election season, apparently--maybe they'll do something about this.

I'd hope they would also look at the four posters who declined to hide that obvious dogwhistle, and couldn't even bother to comment. It won't make any difference, but if they have a pattern of being disruptive, that might resonate and be a useful data point down the line.

[sufrommich]

32. Good advice and done. nt

[Control-Z]

33. I sent another alert.

Suggested all 5 be banned.

[MADem]

34. Works for me!! And anyone in this group who has decided that they don't want to participate

in the jury process, I urge them to change their minds--they are needed more than ever.

[riversedge]

39. done and thanks for the link.

In solidarity

[mcar]

44. Done

Thanks for the suggestion.

[irisblue]

51. done

I also asked in ATA that the TOS be changed to make calling female candidates whores a banning offense

[Surya Gayatri]

57. Done - "You are alerting on a post that has already been alerted on."

"You alert will be seen by the administrators."

Nothing surprises me around here anymore, bu this is particularly VILE.

[Jamaal510]

61. +1

[Iliyah]

4. WTF

[sufrommich]

5. This comment passed a jury. nt

[Iliyah]

8. Of course it did, feel the hate continues.

[still_one]

6. The poster is an outlier, but what is disturbing is that jury didn't vote to

hide the post, which is an obviously sexist slur at a candidate running for president.

At least there are Bernie supporters in that sub thread condemning the post

[Cha]

10. That's what I was thinking.. it didn't get a hide from 4 on the jury but in the thread..

the poster is getting railed against by Bernie supporters, too.

[Auggie]

11. Very surprising jury results indeed

[MADem]

35. The poster likes to KICK stuff....

https://www.google.com/search?q=ibewlu606+site:democraticunderground.com&ei=eHuqVeSFCo7XoATfi7HYDA&start=10&sa=N#q=ibewlu606+kicked+site:democraticunderground.com


Cough. Hmmmm.

[riversedge]

41. yes, glad to see some Bernie supporters condemning that post.

[Thinkingabout]

7. Reaching low, I always think when someone resorts to calling names they have lost the argument

and resort to calling names. Doesn't make the person better, quiet the opposite. In the end it does not look good as an adult.

[MuseRider]

9. Sorry to step into your group

but I just saw this and NO that is NOT acceptable by any means.

It is one person who I have never heard or seen before and judging by the responses not many have.

I can't understand those on the jury who would let that go but perhaps they should hear something about this from the admin. I don't know who else would be able to ID them.

You know this is coming from all corners at some point I am sure, but this should never been seen here.

At least the moron was not pretending to be a Bernie supporter this time.

Again, sorry to step in but this just pisses me off to no end and I am sorry this happened.

[sufrommich]

13. I do hope Skinner looks into it,judging from the

amount of time the poster has been here and the number of posts,I would not be surprised if he's discovered to be a sock.

Thank you for your kind post here.

[MuseRider]

14. Not hard to be kind

when something wrong is done. We are still on the same side. We may tangle but we are still on the same side and by god I will never let another woman be talked about like that without saying something.

Bernie gets a lot of hits but not like being a woman called a whore. I can only imagine what her running will bring out now that the last 8 years have become such a free for all.

Hang tough.

[sufrommich]

16. I agree with you completely. You are a credit to

your candidate!

[George II]

22. Thank you.

[MADem]

36. I'm afraid that isn't the case. He is affecting ARDENT Sanders support.

He's busily rec'ing pro-Bernie posts, and in the Sanders room, too, replete with "Right on!" and other expressions of support:

https://www.google.com/search?q=ibewlu606&sitesearch=democraticunderground.com&gws_rd=ssl#q=ibewlu606++bernie+site:democraticunderground.com

Your concern is sincerely appreciated (I mean that with all my heart), but you might do well to advise the Sanders group that this "fan" is not doing your team any favors.

[MuseRider]

46. And sometimes I can be an asshole.

This poster is not my responsibility, I am only responsible for myself. I am not a "member" of the Bernie Sanders group. I do belong to it, requested that it not be a nasty group and that it not just ban people who were not 100% behind him. I was one person among a few but the group decided otherwise. I go in, rec what I want to rec and occasionally post but spend next to no time there and really only "know" a few of the people supporting Sanders. I am 100% a supporter of Sanders.

This was not "concern". Really, concern? It was disgust at the behavior of a poster I had never heard of. It would not have mattered if it was someone who had been here a long long time who I was familiar with. This actually had little to do with Hillary per se but the use of the word aimed at her. I came in because I was horrified and knew it would make this group feel terrible and I wanted to be supportive, not concerned but actually supportive.

I don't think just because someone recs posts and says "right on" that they can be pinned to anything when it seems they are not exactly known by many here on all sides.

"My" team eh? This is not sports and I don't have to defend anyone but myself and I don't appreciate my heart felt post being referred to as "concern". This poster will be controlled by the entire DU membership and hopefully/probably soon. I will not tolerate anyone calling her sexist names, I don't like it for anyone. She is a woman doing incredible work whether a person supports her or not.

[MADem]

47. Look-- I was just responding to your comment about the guy. You said

At least the moron was not pretending to be a Bernie supporter this time.

It looks like he's playing the Bernie Cheerleader in most of his posts. Maybe in a previous iteration, he was pretending to be a supporter of someone else, but this time around, he's affecting support for Sanders.

And as for teams, I am on the "Hillary Team." There's nothing wrong with being on the "Bernie Team." I will say it again, because, apparently, I just can't make this clear often enough, I like Bernie just fine, he's not my first choice, but I don't think he's a bad guy. If he won the nomination I would vote for him.

Being on the "Bernie Team" is not a negative, unless you let jerks like that "whore" guy speak for you. It's not my place (being on that Hillary Team, you see) to make any suggestions to the Sanders group as to their membership rolls, but you could provide that input, if you had a mind to so do. It wasn't a command--it was a suggestion. Disregard it if you'd like.

I think you are taking my comments the wrong way, finding offense when there is none intended--and that's a shame.

Oh well.

[onehandle]

12. They need to be banned. And those in the jury who chose to leave it should be banned.

Period.

[LuvLoogie]

15. This one caught the bottom of my shoe.

[sufrommich]

18. I'm so sorry for your hide. That sucks.

(it was worth it though)

[MADem]

48. You took one for the team!! Thank you!!! nt

[irisblue]

55. you did right there

[Cha]

58. Ya took one for the team, LuvLoogie!

[rock]

17. This does confirm my appraisal of DU's judges (as a whole)

Shall I say what kind of whole? Better not.

[misterhighwasted]

19. "There is apparently no bottom to be reached by some Clinton haters."

Agree those jurors who let this stand should be banned.

Please notify someone with the authority to do so.

If I called Sanders a whore for (whatever) I would be banned forever. Yet this dirty, ugly post is allowed?
I want an answer from Admin.

Take a look at who allowed it.
Ugly & ignorant

[sufrommich]

20. I'm really hoping it catches the attention of the admins.

With any luck it will.

[misterhighwasted]

24. We shouldn't have had to wait this long.

Guess I'll update my Jury Block List again while I'm waiting.

Geez what an ugly bunch.

[Lil Missy]

21. That post is hidden. ?????

[George II]

23. No, it stands but a heart-felt two word response to it was hidden.

[Lil Missy]

26. Ah yes, my mistake. n/t

[Baitball Blogger]

25. This is wrong.

There is no need to use this kind of language. It is very counter-productive in the end.

[BeyondGeography]

28. Maybe one of those gutless jurors can explain themselves somewhere

Because they all whiffed on their first opportunity.

[mikehiggins]

29. How could this NOT be banned?

The idea that a jury would find a repulsive, sexist, totally over the top slander like that to be acceptable on DU stuns me. Apparently my (brother? sister?) in the IBEW has a dubious slant on what is fair and accurate when it comes to political discourse.

Bernie Sanders sees no need for personal attacks on HRC (probably wouldn't sink that low even if there was a need) and as a supporter I find it offensive in the extreme. Cut this crap out.

[MADem]

37. Well, the jurors who voted to LEAVE IT have outed themselves--to the admins, if not to us.

It will make it easier for the admins to ban them if they affect "obvious" sexist attitudes, because their jury votes are not a secret to those guys.

[EileenFB]

30. This is the lowest form of behavior

I've seen on DU (although I haven't posted for a long time, I have been visiting here for a few years).

[bluestateguy]

31. Some people just don't want a woman as president

And we even see that from the Sanders crowd from time to time.

[BooScout]

38. Misogynist attacks are ok against Hillary apparently....

I'd cut loose and really tell it like it is, but I suspect I would be banned.

[George II]

40. Yes, he wasn't hidden OR banned, but if you "tell it like it is" most likely you would.

[missingthebigdog]

54. I wonder what has changed?

Isn't this the kind of post that got NYC_SKP (?) banned?

I am really surprised that the admins haven't intervened here.

[George II]

42. I should have done this earlier - here are the detailed results of my alert...

....note the four "jurors" who voted to keep it had nothing at all to say about why!


On Sat Jul 18, 2015, 10:17 AM you sent an alert on the following post:

Rec'd
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=455232

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

YOUR COMMENTS

Referring to Hillary Clinton as a "whore" (twice) is offensive and inappropriate!

JURY RESULTS

A randomly-selected Jury of DU members completed their review of this alert at Sat Jul 18, 2015, 10:26 AM, and voted 3-4 to LEAVE IT ALONE.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Are you kidding me!? Poster should be BANNED.
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Too iffy, even if it sounds okay to use the word in the male "economic sellout" sense. It's just that there's no trusting that same contextual use of it when sexist labels are too oppressive in other contexts for over half the population. Arguably using divisively sexist, pejorative language within the party just excuses opponents to use it, too, and they are the guyz who really do mean it.

Use of historically sexist words in other contexts just starts another version of all the "arguable," "excusable" contexts for using the word "nigger." Those who argue for using racist/sexist labels can then deny their own motives in word choice before the public.
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #7 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Could have gotten the idea across without such charged language.

Thank you.

[riversedge]

49. thanks for the post. I had

not seen the results.

[mcar]

43. Unbelievable

This was allowed to stand?

[KMOD]

45. Unbelievable that 4 jurors decided to leave that.

[Dawson Leery]

52. As it was in 2008.

The irrational hatred that exists for Hillary on the left is absurd.

[DesertFlower]

53. that's disgusting. nt

[Tarheel_Dem]

56. How is this not equivalent to the vile post by NYC_SKP? This boggles the mind. n/t

[Gothmog]

59. Call Hillary Clinton this name is not acceptable

[onehandle]

60. I cannot believe that comment and ID still exists.

Do not let up on this. Do not let this stand.

[William769]

64. Weelcome to the new DU.

[cyberswede]

65. Glad to report that troll has been banned.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=profile&uid=268142&sub=trans

That post was beyond the pale.

[OKNancy]

66. great news- bravo to Skinner

[William769]

67. Birds of a feather flock together.

[cyberswede]

68. Everyone who replied to that vile post condemned it.

Well, everyone but a single MRA type. I hope misogynist trolls are the "birds" you're referring to.

[William769]

70. Like I said, birds of a feather flock together.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6991544

[BainsBane]

71. There was an OP defending it

and I did not recognize the name as an MRA type.

[William769]

72. BINGO!

[BainsBane]

73. In fact, I just saw a second OP defending it

Where someone posted the jury results calling the alerter a "whiny baby." The claim that no one defended it is clearly specious.

[mcar]

69. Good news

[Starry Messenger]

74. Excellent news.

I really really hope he wasn't really an IBEW brother.