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caquillo

(521 posts)
Fri May 27, 2016, 01:25 PM May 2016

Sanders Says Clinton Has 'Just a Tinge of Arrogance'

Isn't this just flat out misogyny, hidden behind the 'just a tinge' qualifier? Like, "How DARE that woman..." It's the language of a coward.

[link:http://www.nbcnews.com/card/sanders-says-clinton-has-just-tinge-arrogance-n581556?cid=sm_fb_msnbc|

Bernie Sanders on "Jimmy Kimmel Live" Thursday night said that Hillary Clinton has a "tinge of arrogance" for saying she will be the Democratic presumptive nominee.

Kimmel played a clip of a recent Clinton interview in which she said, "I will be the nominee ... there is no way I won't be."

Asked if that makes Sanders mad, the Vermont senator responded, "just a tinge of arrogance there, I think."

"I kind of think on June 7, the people of California will have a message for Secretary Clinton," Sanders added.


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Sanders Says Clinton Has 'Just a Tinge of Arrogance' (Original Post) caquillo May 2016 OP
Yep, just like the 3 million more that have spoken for Hillary than your people have spoken. tonyt53 May 2016 #1
Bernie is a BITTER, angry old man. trueblue2007 May 2016 #23
And Hillary Clinton was just a tinge correct when she said that. George II May 2016 #2
Yep! pandr32 May 2016 #12
BS has a boatload of arrogance. WhiteTara May 2016 #3
To be fair, that's not a question where he can give a straight answer. Skinner May 2016 #4
He could but that would be the signal that his campaign is ending liberal N proud May 2016 #5
Perhaps women hear it differently than you do. nt DURHAM D May 2016 #19
There are many ways of making his point NastyRiffraff May 2016 #33
Mahalo, Riff.. I remember sanders calling her "arrogant" before.. not the first time Cha May 2016 #43
BS has called her "arrogant" before this latest one.. he could have said "presumptuous" Cha May 2016 #42
Yeah HRC needs to be more deferential to BS! We demand so! Her Sister May 2016 #6
Exactly, HS.. how dare Hillary be straight up with her supporters.. If she can't Cha May 2016 #44
I don't think it's necessarily misogyny. It's clearly projection. TwilightZone May 2016 #7
It's totally projection. When my sister in California first saw Cha May 2016 #45
Keep it up Bernie with that clean campaign on the issues. nt BootinUp May 2016 #8
I don't fault either person here at all. Shemp Howard May 2016 #9
This is Hillary's Group for Hillary supporters. You can discuss Cha May 2016 #46
Taken in context with every other criticism he's had about her HillareeeHillaraah May 2016 #10
I don't understand how he could have been on Jimmy Kimmel AND "The View" LisaM May 2016 #11
You can do anything with enough makeup jmowreader May 2016 #17
I think the people of CA will have a message for her on 6-7 jmowreader May 2016 #13
His prediction will come true, but not the way he thought it would. Koinos May 2016 #29
In point of fact, as we've all seen DemonGoddess May 2016 #14
Hillary is not the one who talks about herself in the third person lunamagica May 2016 #15
When do you suppose he will start using the "papal we"? Koinos May 2016 #27
He already does! You know how he goes "when we started we at three percent" and such lunamagica May 2016 #38
Pretty sad. He should be better than this. Koinos May 2016 #39
But she says "I" a lot mcar May 2016 #37
If there's anyone who would recognize arrogance, it would be Bernie. Arkansas Granny May 2016 #16
the High Sparrow calling someone else arrogant, funny that nt geek tragedy May 2016 #18
When you look up the word "projection" in the dictionary Haveadream May 2016 #20
It appears to me that Bernie has a bit more than just a tinge of arrogance. Koinos May 2016 #21
Yes, you are right! Haveadream May 2016 #22
Considering the source, it is BlueMTexpat May 2016 #24
Projecting much? peggysue2 May 2016 #25
Like wine when it turns to vinegar. Koinos May 2016 #26
This message was self-deleted by its author okasha May 2016 #34
I agree with every word of your post, okasha May 2016 #35
When this is over, BS should hit the road as a comedian. grossproffit May 2016 #28
I wouldn't go as far as claiming misogyny when a male calling a female arrogant because.. desmiller May 2016 #30
jealous much? 6chars May 2016 #31
Uppity woman. But it *not* arrogant for him to say CA will have a message? Rose Siding May 2016 #32
I've heard she's ambitious too mcar May 2016 #36
I certainly hope so. Koinos May 2016 #40
definition: arrogant BootinUp May 2016 #41
Bernie could have simply disputed her view, there was no damn reason to smear her character. I have Cha May 2016 #47
 

tonyt53

(5,737 posts)
1. Yep, just like the 3 million more that have spoken for Hillary than your people have spoken.
Fri May 27, 2016, 01:27 PM
May 2016

Odd thing is, she doesn't even need to win CA. After the NJ polls close on the same day, she will have enough delegates.

Skinner

(63,645 posts)
4. To be fair, that's not a question where he can give a straight answer.
Fri May 27, 2016, 01:31 PM
May 2016

He can't say "I agree with Hillary, she is going to be the nominee."

I think it might have been better if he called her comment "presumptuous" rather than "arrogant." But given the question I don't think the answer is inappropriate. To his credit he goes on to clearly explain that he is trailing her.

NastyRiffraff

(12,448 posts)
33. There are many ways of making his point
Fri May 27, 2016, 07:09 PM
May 2016

rather than saying she's "a touch arrogant." Women have heard those EXACT words many times in and out of the workplace. it's a dog whistle that's used by men who stop themselves actually saying "bitchy" or "shrill." As a man, Skinner, you can't see it, but women certainly can.

Cha

(297,240 posts)
43. Mahalo, Riff.. I remember sanders calling her "arrogant" before.. not the first time
Sat May 28, 2016, 04:35 AM
May 2016

his wife too.. it's their go-to word for her.

I'll post to you what I said to Skinner..

".. he could have said "presumptuous" but he didn't.

The Problem with sanders calling her "arrogant" is .. . Hillary can do the math.. he won't.

Of course Hillary is going to be straight up with her supporters that she will be the nominee.. sanders is not straight up with his.. such a huge difference
."

Thank you for your post.. I know the BS campaign uses those words to marginalize, deprecate and demean Hillary.

He's demonized her to his fans.. is it any wonder so many hate her?

Cha

(297,240 posts)
42. BS has called her "arrogant" before this latest one.. he could have said "presumptuous"
Sat May 28, 2016, 04:27 AM
May 2016

but he didn't.

The Problem with sanders calling her "arrogant" is .. . Hillary can do the math.. he won't.

Of course Hillary is going to be straight up with her supporters that she will be the nominee.. sanders is not straight up with his.. such a huge difference.

 

Her Sister

(6,444 posts)
6. Yeah HRC needs to be more deferential to BS! We demand so!
Fri May 27, 2016, 01:33 PM
May 2016

Who does she think she is! BS' feelings! Feelings!!! Feeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeelings!

Cha

(297,240 posts)
44. Exactly, HS.. how dare Hillary be straight up with her supporters.. If she can't
Sat May 28, 2016, 04:39 AM
May 2016

be deferential to him and go with his story then she's "arrogant".

Not the first time he's called her that.. He does everything to marginalize, demean, and deprecate her.. he demonizes her to his fans.. It's no wonder they hate her.

TwilightZone

(25,471 posts)
7. I don't think it's necessarily misogyny. It's clearly projection.
Fri May 27, 2016, 01:37 PM
May 2016

He tells his supporters that they're going to win all the time. How exactly is that different, again?

I suppose that one could be pedantic and say "going to" and "already have" are two different things. In reality, in this particular instance, they're the same thing.

Cha

(297,240 posts)
45. It's totally projection. When my sister in California first saw
Sat May 28, 2016, 04:42 AM
May 2016

Sanders on those Sunday shows.. I asked her what her impression was.. she said "arrogant" and egotistical".

I "yes" you got that right.

Shemp Howard

(889 posts)
9. I don't fault either person here at all.
Fri May 27, 2016, 01:44 PM
May 2016

Hillary is the front-runner. So she clearly has the right to assert that she will be the nominee, especially at this late date.

But the primary is not over yet. So Bernie clearly has the right to criticize his opponent, and use rather harsh terms in doing so. That's politics.

Personally, I wish Bernie would have said "that's a bit presumptuous" instead of saying that "tinge of arrogance" thing. But again, that's politics. What's important is what Bernie says after (or, if) Hillary officially gets the nomination. Words will really matter then.

Cha

(297,240 posts)
46. This is Hillary's Group for Hillary supporters. You can discuss
Sat May 28, 2016, 04:44 AM
May 2016

how you don't think this is over yet in your own group or in gdp.

We have one place for Hill supporters and this is it.

 

HillareeeHillaraah

(685 posts)
10. Taken in context with every other criticism he's had about her
Fri May 27, 2016, 01:49 PM
May 2016

It's hard not to call it misogyny.

She's strong.
She's confident.
She's got opinions.

Of course he calls it arrogant. Yet another illustration of just how off his judgement is.

LisaM

(27,812 posts)
11. I don't understand how he could have been on Jimmy Kimmel AND "The View"
Fri May 27, 2016, 02:03 PM
May 2016

I thought there was a media blackout of Bernie! We are constantly told that there is.

jmowreader

(50,557 posts)
17. You can do anything with enough makeup
Fri May 27, 2016, 02:15 PM
May 2016

They brought Hillary in at 10 am and five top Hollywood special effects makeup artists spent eight arduous hours transforming her into an exact likeness of Bernie Sanders. The hardest part was teaching a nice Southern lady to impersonate Bernie's "nice Jewish boy from Brooklyn who's eaten too many blini" accent Bernie has, but they managed.

jmowreader

(50,557 posts)
13. I think the people of CA will have a message for her on 6-7
Fri May 27, 2016, 02:05 PM
May 2016

Unfortunately for Bernie, the message will be "we want you, Madame Secretary!"

Koinos

(2,792 posts)
29. His prediction will come true, but not the way he thought it would.
Fri May 27, 2016, 04:44 PM
May 2016
"I kind of think on June 7, the people of California will have a message for Secretary Clinton," Sanders added.


It reminds me of the predictions of the Delphic Oracle, that could be taken in at least two ways. People who flattered themselves only saw outcomes favorable to themselves.

DemonGoddess

(4,640 posts)
14. In point of fact, as we've all seen
Fri May 27, 2016, 02:06 PM
May 2016

with the whining about losing closed primaries, the whining about losing CLOSE primaries, and then the crowing over winning caucuses, the arrogant one is Sanders.

lunamagica

(9,967 posts)
38. He already does! You know how he goes "when we started we at three percent" and such
Fri May 27, 2016, 10:20 PM
May 2016

And there's his "Bernie Sanders thinks" Bernie "Sanders wants to do this"

YUUUUGE ego

Haveadream

(1,630 posts)
20. When you look up the word "projection" in the dictionary
Fri May 27, 2016, 02:39 PM
May 2016

There is a picture of Bernie with his "tinge of arrogance" remark about Hillary

Koinos

(2,792 posts)
21. It appears to me that Bernie has a bit more than just a tinge of arrogance.
Fri May 27, 2016, 02:45 PM
May 2016

Humility and self-knowledge are traits well worth acquiring. They lead to wisdom.

Bernie needs to learn that.

Haveadream

(1,630 posts)
22. Yes, you are right!
Fri May 27, 2016, 02:50 PM
May 2016


Also, I love your quote:



Humility and self-knowledge are traits well worth acquiring. They lead to wisdom.




peggysue2

(10,829 posts)
25. Projecting much?
Fri May 27, 2016, 04:08 PM
May 2016

I don't know what has happened of late with St Bernard but he's become an absolute snit. Hillary demonstrates a 'tinge of arrogance' for simply stating the facts. While The Bernie continues to delude his supporters with promises of victory when the path to victory is nada. He's become a disrespectful crank. His return to the Senate should be awkward. And frankly, he deserves it. These latest stunts--debating Trump & the injunction in California--are sour grapes on speed dial.

I said earlier that we would ultimately see what Bernie Sanders was truly made of at the end of the road. We're seeing it now. It's not pretty.

Response to Koinos (Reply #26)

desmiller

(747 posts)
30. I wouldn't go as far as claiming misogyny when a male calling a female arrogant because..
Fri May 27, 2016, 04:46 PM
May 2016

a man can be called arrogant as well. It works in both sides of the sex boundary. Sanders just speaking his mind about his opponent - that's politics. If Hillary was born a man with the same mindset, Sanders will say the same thing about the male version. But when it comes to being misogynous, Trump takes it hands down.

Rose Siding

(32,623 posts)
32. Uppity woman. But it *not* arrogant for him to say CA will have a message?
Fri May 27, 2016, 05:17 PM
May 2016

-favoring him, is his meaning, right, but that's not arrogant because reasons. ugh

BootinUp

(47,152 posts)
41. definition: arrogant
Sat May 28, 2016, 12:06 AM
May 2016

ar•ro•gant (ărˈə-gənt)►

adj.
Having or displaying a sense of overbearing self-worth or self-importance.
adj.
Marked by or arising from a feeling or assumption of one's superiority toward others: an arrogant contempt for the weak. See Synonyms at proud.


Bernie could have simply disputed her view, there was no damn reason to smear her character. I have not heard Clinton say anything like that about Sen. Sanders.

Cha

(297,240 posts)
47. Bernie could have simply disputed her view, there was no damn reason to smear her character. I have
Sat May 28, 2016, 05:07 AM
May 2016
not heard Clinton say anything like that about Sen. Sanders."

Well, that wouldn't have been sanders saying it then.. that's all he does is insult her character.. he's demonized her to his fans.. no wonder they hate her so much.

Thank you for the definition.. that's exactly what's he conveying.. it's not the first time he's called her "arrogant", either.

He's all about projecting personal attacks.
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