I have decided I will support Hillary Clinton

[BainsBane]

All the bullshit by people who so despise Clinton has really pissed me off. Then to find out they admire Vladimir Putin, a thief, murderer and autocrat, is too much. They regurgitate his propaganda to justify the new Russian empire, showing their judgment and ability to evaluate events and politicians to be exceedingly poor. Now they are playing games with women's rights, distorting her record in the most blatant and ugly fashion. Using my rights as a political football for their craven political games is the last straw. They have done more to convince me to support Clinton that millions in advertising ever could.

[William769]

1. Hillary all the way!

I believe the more you delve into her the more you will like her.

[BainsBane]

4. My typical approach is to wait for the election

and to decide prior to the caucuses in my state. As you say, no one has yet declared. However, the relentless bullshit from the Hillary haters/Putinistas has motivated a change of practice for me. That OP on "women's rights" in GD was the last straw.

[William769]

10. This is the Hillary Clinton Group.

If she's not on your list then you should not be here.

[CaliforniaPeggy]

3. Not everyone who dislikes Hillary Clinton admires Putin.

I sure don't.

I do admire her record on women's rights very much. However, there are many areas where I don't care for her views.

[William769]

11. This is the Hillary Clinton Group.

Please tread very carefully.

[CaliforniaPeggy]

13. I understand, and I thank you!

[William769]

14. No problem.

[dofus]

5. Really? All those who despise Clinton are also Putin supporters?

Care to back that up with facts?

I am not a Hillary supporter nor do I support Putin.

[BainsBane]

6. facts

can be found by looking at the journals of some of the most vocal in either contingency.

[dofus]

7. Care to post any?

I have not noticed the correlation myself.

[BainsBane]

9. No, because that would be a call out

You can easily look through journals of some current OP posters in GD.

[William769]

12. This is the Hillary Clinton Group.

We do not get aggressive with fellow Hillary Clinton supporters here. There are many other places on DU you can do that.

[SunSeeker]

8. K & R

[Iliyah]

15. K & R

If she runs I will work on her campaign.

[Thinkingabout]

16. Thanks for your post, she is on the top of my list, she is a hard worker.

[hrmjustin]

17. Glad you are on board.

[freshwest]

18. And now I'm there, too. I was never a fan of her, but they've convinced me.

I will add the caveat that Bernie still has my heart, but he's not running:

Bernie Sanders: The Billionaires May Just Win

...In a candid answer to a question about his political viability Monday, he lamented the "absurd" amount of resources he would need to mount a serious campaign, both in the primary and general elections.

Even if he raised $100 from 2 million people – for a total of $200 million – he worried it wouldn't be enough. "That is 20 percent of what the Koch brothers themselves are prepared to spend. Can you take that on? I don't know the answer. Maybe the game is over. Maybe they have bought the United States government. Maybe there is no turning back. Maybe we've gone over the edge. I don't know. I surely hope not. But we have to look at that reality."

"The gut feeling… that I'm going to have to reach is whether there is that willingness to stand up and fight back. And if there's not, I don't want to run a futile campaign," he said..."I am not Mr. Bloomberg of New York and I don't have billions of dollars," he said toward the end of his talk, referring to the former New York City mayor.

But if Sanders – the most ideologically pure liberal in the Senate – determines a campaign for the cause is too arduous, too futile and just not worth it, he'll only hand liberals more reason to be angry...

http://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/bernie-sanders-the-billionaires-may-just-win/ar-AA9aFjI?ocid=iehp

From a DU thread here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026205198

There were a few threads:

If Bernie Sanders Runs For President, It Won’t Be as an Independent: “I will not be a spoiler”

Naturally, “Will you run for president in 2016?” was the first question DFA Executive Director Charles Chamberlain asked Sanders. Though not definitive, his answer was enough to leave these activists hopeful.

“I am giving very serious consideration to it, but before you make a decision of that magnitude, … you have to make sure that you can do it well,” Sanders said. “So what we are doing is reaching out to folks all over this country trying to determine whether or not we can put the grassroots organization together that we need.”

Sanders knows he will have to rely on grassroots mobilization to have a fighting chance at being elected, because his campaign will take on every monied interest. “If I run, we’ll be taking on the billionaire class,” he said. “That’s Wall Street, the drug companies, the military industrial complex.”

To the dismay some idealists, Sanders rejected the idea of running for president as an independent. “No matter what I do, I will not be a spoiler,” Sanders said. “I will not play that role in helping to elect some right-wing Republican as President of the United States.”

http://inthesetimes.com/article/17572/bernie_sanders_president

From this DU thread:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6140372

Bernie Sanders: Stand Up to the Koch Brothers...

From DU post:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017235807

Notice him mentioning the 63% who did not vote. I posted a video just before the elections last year. He used that same percentage. He was begging people to get out and vote to defeat the GOP. But they people at the meeting didn't want to talk about that, they wanted to talk about Israel.

The meeting in NYC wasn't about that, it was about income inequality. After a while he quit speaking and said he had to go and see his wife who was waiting for him, but if there had been interest, I think he would have stayed longer.

He wasn't there to promote himself for office, but to get people to get out and vote for the Democratic Party, who he caucuses with for a reason. I can't find the video though, because I don't remember the title of it.

So he looking at things realistically and frankly I really wanted him to run on the Democratic ticket. He was on the Scarborough show saying he might run as a Democrat, and I'll bet they'd have let him in the primaries and it would have been great to see what everyone stood for on the issues he brings up.

But he can also see the apathy. The only thing that would overcome the money is massive turnout, such as Greg Palast warned us after the Bush coup. Voter turnout did it for Obama twice, jumping over many hurdles. Despite millions whose votes weren't counted and the obstruction of billionaire owned media, it worked.

Since then it's been a steady drizzle of apathy inducing memes to keep Democrats, not Republicans, out of voting. They will definitely be voting, and the GOP runs in continuous campaign mode. They don't just work on elections when the 'season' is near. They know better. They set the atmosphere all year long.

That's the writing on the wall, if he can't get enough votes. We will not win by the gun, and won't win if we decide our vote doesn't matter and don't vote, either. As 1SBM said:

And "Mission Accomplished" could be heard whispered throughout the land. (It seems)

GOP: "Government doesn't work" ... Check!

Libertarians (right and left): "Government is evil" ... Check!

Tea Party: "Government doesn't work and there is no difference between establishment republicans and establishment Democrats" ... Check!

"Liberals/Progressives": "Government is evil and there is no difference between establishment republicans and establishment Democrats" ... Check!

The media has played this narrative on a 7-day, 24-hour loop.

Result: Only 15% of the American people pay close attention to the only mechanism for change.

Nicely played, Oligarchs!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025633467#post8

JMHO.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10141011429#post89

Although he'll keep speaking out for things I cherish and may change some people's minds. Those who say they will refuse to vote are no more his supporters than Republicans.

They have broken his heart, IMO.

[freshwest]

19. In time, I believe all the anti-HRC folks' idols will support her. They'll toss them under the bus.

Let's see:

Howard Dean, Elizabeth Warren, and likely John Kerry, Sherrod Brown, and many others. And near the end, Bernie Sanders, to stave off the Republicans.

The icing on the cake for me will be when she gets Obama's endorsement. As Obama said at the White House correspondents dinner to Faux:

"Let's face it, Fox, you'll miss me when I'm gone," the President said.

"It will be harder to convince the American people that Hillary was born in Kenya."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/110223489

That's like the joke passed around:

'You need to have a white person in the White House again?

Fine! You'll love Hillary!'

Watch their heads explode.

Sounds like Obama believes she has a good chance of being elected. And for those who tried to start division again with the PUMA smear saying they are anti-Obama...

That was never from her, even if some of her supporters did fall for it. Hillary did not give him half-hearted support after he got the nomination in 2008 and I've posted videos to prove that...

They are not enemies. As far as the 'PUMAs hated Obama and still do' charge, I couldn't stand them back then, and I am as enthusiastic an Obama supporter as they come!

Hope I have not gotten too far off the mark here, hosts. Let me know.

[BainsBane]

20. I don't think they will support her

or the Democratic party. They don't now. I don't see how that will change. How could they possibly vote for someone they have expressed such vitriol about?

What Sanders highlights is the problems with our current campaign finance system. They act like it is all Clinton's fault, that she alone embodies money in politics, and that someone like Warren could miraculously transform America with her magic wand. It's absurd. Note that while they decry the American government, they carry the water for Putin and the Russian state, a system where church and state join together to promote the idea of the Russian state above all else. This article is a film review that gives an interesting take on that. http://www.economist.com/news/books-and-arts/21643040-domestic-response-andrei-zvyagintsevs-award-winning-film-leviathan-says-lot

[still_one]

21. I think at least 50% of the Clinton haters on DU will vote for her if she is the

nominee, which in all probability she will be