Hillary Clinton’s Democratic Debate Magic

[Cha]

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I never doubted that Hillary Clinton had many talents.

I just didn’t know that seamstress was among them.

There were moments in the first Democratic presidential debate on Tuesday night when she threaded the needle as delicately and perfectly as a politician could.

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Sanders said America should look to Denmark. Clinton countered: “We are not Denmark. I love Denmark. We are the United States of America.”

Even when she was confronted anew by her vote in the Senate long ago to authorize the invasion of Iraq, she was neither defiant nor apologetic, steering a smooth midcourse by recalling that at debates in 2008, Barack Obama had attacked her for that. “After the election,” she pointed out, “he asked me to become secretary of state. He valued my judgment.”

The subject of Iraq caused her less grief than Sanders suffered on gun control, when not only Clinton but also Martin O’Malley, the former Maryland governor, rejected his explanation of votes in the Senate against various bills and his insistence that he was representing rural areas with gun cultures, not a nationwide electorate. It was clumsy because he presents himself as a creature of pure principle, immune to political convenience.

But on Tuesday night an odd sort of role reversal occurred. For much of the debate, Sanders somehow came across as the embattled incumbent, targeted by the other four candidates, while Clinton came across as the energetic upstart.

MUch MOre.. http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/14/opinion/hillary-clintons-democratic-debate-magic.html?_r=0

I knew she would shine!

[yallerdawg]

1. "...Clinton came across as the energetic upstart."

Could it be 'the haters' are backing off?

NY Times back to 'liberal tool for Hillary'?

Apparently, the corporate M$M has no problem with flip-flopping when the political winds blow...just no one else gets to.

[Walk away]

2. I think the NYT has suddenly realized that they are going to look like even bigger assholes...

when they have to endorse Hillary in the general.

Using lies and smears to sell papers is starting to come back and bite them on their gray lady's ass!

[Cha]

4. I know.. the NYT has been hounding Hillary on the "emails" so they haven't exactly been in her

corner.

Hillary was Presidential in the #DemDebate.. no getting around it.. no matter how many CTs they come up with.

[yallerdawg]

10. The email thing could be about done.

The Republican leadership "let the cat out of the bag" revealing the Benghazi Committee was an accomplishment, "Look at Hillary's poll numbers."

In the emails themselves, there is nothing there.

Hillary is before the Benghazi Committee next week, but Hillary will surely perform a coup de grace!

Fox and Republican nut jobs will never drop it, but I think "enough with the damn emails" expressed the sentiment of most Americans.

[workinclasszero]

3. Hillary was awesome!

[Cha]

5. Just what we knew, workingclasshero!

[workinclasszero]

6. She exceeded my expectations

bigtime. I bet that's the best debate performance of her life, much better than when she was running against President Obama.

[Cha]

8. I just had good feelings all day yesterday that she would shine last night. But, it's really

sweet to have it confirmed so spectacularly.

That's why I keep posting all these rave reviews.

This is Hillary's time and 7 years ago was Obama's. I love them both now.

[workinclasszero]

9. I totally agree with you!

This is Hillary's time and 7 years ago was Obama's. I love them both now.

Its all coming together for Hillary. The damn republicans can't stop her and she is going to save America from dangerous buffoons like Trump or Carson!

Go Hillary!

[Cha]

11. ..

[Politicub]

39. Me, too, cha!

[Cha]

42. Hey, Politicub!

[katmille]

34. Yes, indeed, Hillary was awesome!

Imagine this: Hillary in a room with Vladimir Putin; now see Bernie Sanders.
Hillary at the United Nations addressing the Security Council; now see Donald Trump
Hillary consoling mourners after a tragedy; now picture Carly Fiorina
Hillary serving food in a soup kitchen on Thanksgiving Day; now envision Jeb Bush
Hillary giving a State of the Union address; now see Marco Rubio (not enough water)
Hillary at the G-7 with Prime Minister Cameron, President Hollande, Chancellor Merkel and others
now imagine Ben Carson
I could go on and on, but it just seems so obvious.
GO HILLARY!!.

(I don't have any cute graphics. Where would I find them?)

[stonecutter357]

7. K&R!

[Nitram]

12. "We are the USA?" That's just a debate trick.

To suggest that the US could learn something from, another country does not suggest that we are that country. Just a cheap shot pandering to patriots. I like Clinton, but that should have been beneath her.

[Cha]

13. This is Hillary's Group.. leave your negative attitude at the door.

You have critiques.. there's the whole rest of the board.

Thank you.

[Nitram]

21. Dude, I support Hillary. I suggst we reserve our praise for the smart things she says.

Not for dubious debate techniques.

[Cha]

22. I asked you nicely to leave your negative attitude at the door. Thank you.

[oasis]

19. "Pandering to patriots". Ha,ha,ha,ha,ha

how does that grab you?

[Nitram]

23. Perhaps I should have put "patriots in quotation marks.

True patriots are not threatened when someone points out that another country has a better way of doing something.

[oasis]

24. This "patriot" doesn't fell threatened by someone claiming

another system of government is better. Don't know if that makes me a "true patriot" by your standards.

[Nitram]

25. Frankly, I've come to dislike the term patriot. Smacks of unthinking jingoism.

I can love my country without being a flag-waver.

[oasis]

26. Okay if you're Joe Citizen, but if you're running for office

you'd best be singing a different tune.

[Nitram]

27. I lament the requirement tht every politician wear a flag lapel pin, but...

...I acknowledge the reality. Same goes for the mandatory "God bless America." To me, the civility shown by the Democratic debaters was far more significant proof of patriotism than empty gestures.

[oasis]

30. "It comes with the territory" so they say.

Seeing no immediate change, I'm okay with it, but, I do understand where you are coming from.

[Starry Messenger]

14. She did great. She was super relaxed and on point.

Even funny. I loved watching her work.

[Cha]

15. Yes, Hillary was glowing as she won the debate! Or as Van Jones says..

•Liberal activist Van Jones on CNN: “Hillary Clinton was Beyoncé. She was flawless.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/powerpost/wp/2015/10/14/the-daily-202-hillary-clinton-won-the-debate-and-six-other-takeaways-from-las-vegas/

[Starry Messenger]

16. Nice kudos from Van Jones!

[onehandle]

17. I honestly did not expect her to be the clear winner.

I didn't expect her to lose or even lose ground. This was a wonderful surprise.

She got huge applause at the Democratic watching party I was at last night. There were about 200 of us. The Senator Sanders supporters were a little subdued by the end.

She's doing great. Can't wait until the next debate.

[Cha]

18. 200 at your debate party sounds like so much fun and how wonderul it was such a winning

night for Hillary supporters. She did us so proud!

[classof56]

20. K&R

Thanks for the post, Cha. You've brought me one giant step closer to supporting Hillary. Will now join this group to keep me up to date with fellow DUers who do. The negative stuff is starting to wear mighty thin lately! Between this and the BOG, I'm sure I'll feel lots better!

Blessings.

[Cha]

29. Really good to hear, classof56!

Yeah, the negative stuff is so overrated. Who needs it?

I see you saw this article pointing out how she embraced President Obama last night.. I was so glad!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/110721315

[classof56]

33. Yes, she is one strong, intelligent, compassionate woman--not to mention classy!

She will be an awesome president who'll get lots of positive things done for our country as she continues to carry out President Obama's policies. Really counting on getting a progressive Congress to back her up. Yes!

[Cha]

40. All those attributes and excellent point.. "so classy"!

to our country helping her out with a better congress than the truthbaggers that are in there now.

[mcar]

28. Great column

[riversedge]

31. Clinton: Republicans "don't mind having big government interfere with a woman's right to choose."

and she socks it to the baggers!! who live in the middle ages!




National Journal ‏@nationaljournal 17h17 hours ago

.@HillaryClinton: Republicans "don't mind having big government interfere with a woman's right to choose." #DemDebate

[Kath1]

37. I loved it that she said that.

So true.

[northoftheborder]

35. I love her wonderful smile

And the way she is doing her hair now is very becoming.

[Kath1]

36. K&R!

I thought she kicked ass, Cha! She was wonderful, IMHO.

[Politicub]

38. She did an amazing job

Was great watching Hillary be Hillary. She comes across as far more presidential than everyone else in the field.

I was impressed with O'Malley's close. I could see him in the administration.

[RussBLib]

41. Hillary is formidable

I am still in Bernie's corner, but Hillary would make a fine President.

She was smooth, tough, funny, and knowledgeable. Hard to beat.