Our problem is that we have let the Sanders group corner all of the enthusium

[CajunBlazer]

I guess that's normal. The True Believers on both the far left and the far right are always the most zealous and enthusiastic. But we cannot let our far left wing zealots take over our party without a fight.

I guess I lied to myself about no longer fighting the good fight in the Primaries forum.

I'll be damned if I am stand by an let the far left wing of my party put us in the position of losing the Presidency and both houses of Congress plus the opportunity to set the direction of the Supreme Court for the next 20 years so they can stand on their principles and nominate the unelectable.

[Iliyah]

1. Not if I can help it

Go Hillary!

[yallerdawg]

2. I will only take issue with Front Page BS.

Most posters have lost all credibility (the ignored) so whatever they are posting - no clicks for them!

But some things are just so 'out there' ya just gotta respond!

[hollysmom]

3. this is a very strange comment in several ways

no one can own enthusiasm, it is inside everyone. If you want enthusiasm, you have to live it. It can't be stolen from you. I would love to discuss your feelings about any kind of enthusiasm in a thread about human emotions not politically related. I am sorry the title just attracted my attention, hee, your fault not mine. now, I have to express my lack of enthusiasm for a blizzard while on a line waiting for gas.

[rock]

4. I wouldn't be too concerned

Zealots of all ilks think that enthusiasm is a big plus, but that is simply not the case. One vote still counts the same whether delivered enthusiastically or non-energetically. Think about it. Are you swayed by an enthusiastic monkey bouncing off of all four walls?

[CajunBlazer]

8. That's all fine and good if that's where it ended

However, their enthusiasm causes them to contribute more money their chosen candidate and donate more of their time to his campaign. It causes them to be more effective than we are on social media. That's where the enthusiasm gap effects reality.

[okasha]

18. Two things to remember.

DU has no effect on elections and has ceased in any way to reflect the make up or views of the Democratic Party. The odd political breed that now occupies DU has nothing to do with us except as they give aid and comfort to Republicans.

Enthusiasm's fine as far as it goes. Determination gets things done.

[CajunBlazer]

20. +1

[BlueCaliDem]

35. + 1000 - enthusiastically!

[fleabiscuit]

36. +++ Spot-on! eom

[Thenewire]

5. I'm afraid it is far worse than we realize

I've been asking around and Sanders supporters are composed of people who either wouldn't care if Trump gets elected or feel that Sanders losing against Trump would somehow better their cause of destroying the 'establishment'. They are willing to risk it all for a pipe dream. These are dangerous ideologues we are dealing with, very similar to the ones the right wingers have been struggling with since Obama got elected. They are highly delusional and blinded by fervent ideology, I was hoping that it would never come to this on the left.

[SunSeeker]

6. Yes, and they tend to be people whose lives will not be affected by a GOP win.

So it's no skin off their backs if their insane endeavor delivers us a President Trump. That is why most women, people of color and LGBQT support Hillary.

[CajunBlazer]

7. Every heard about the horseshoe political theory?

We all tend to think of political positions being on a straight line with those on the extremes being on the far right and far left. This theory sheds light on the fact that the far left and far right are more alike than they are different.

[kjones]

11. Yeah, I've brought that up a few times

The substance may be different, but the attitudes are similar.

In our case right here, we have a far left and far right that a packed
with, predominantly, angry, white men.

[Dawson Leery]

15. Affluent and white.

They can afford high risks.

Strange, they benefit from being middle class, yet want to tear down the system. It is hypocritical.

[wysi]

22. That's pretty much the scenario that played out in 2000...

... and we can see how well that worked out.

[synergie]

9. Yeah, that's not enthusiasm, that's mostly hate, a gleeful freeper level of it steeped

in delusion, lies, deeply personal attacks and lots and lots of right wing talking points, fanned by trolls they don't quite seem to understand are simply trolling them.

The sheer weight of the negativity, the hate, the lies and the denial of reality is a bit too much to take. It's like dealing with the paulbots in the last couple of elections, they didn't have a lot of facts, but they were very cult like in their devotion.

This is not the far left wing of the party, it's a bunch of folks who are suffering from Derangment syndrome as I've seen it posted elsewhere. They keep crowing about how they wish to destroy the party, how some are independents who don't give to figs about the party in general. Apparently they don't understand how the Congress works and how few independents are there, especially since Bernie is now a Dem,or why to even do a single thing he's vaguely gestured towards, he needs Democratic control of both House and Senate.

This isn't even about principles either, as they kind of show with their attempts at "backlash" against anyone who doesn't worship Sanders.

[ScreamingMeemie]

10. If it helps, I have picked neither candidate (thanks in small part to their most vocal

supporters here - on both sides).

I have not been "enthusiastic" about a candidate since 2004. I hope you find this to be helpful criticism. Thanks.

[yallerdawg]

13. Just curious...

Who in 2004 enthused you?

[ScreamingMeemie]

14. My husband and I volunteered for the Dean campaign.

We then went door to door (a lot less enthusiastically) for Kerry. It's the last time I felt "moved to act" on behalf of a candidate.

[Cha]

26. And, Dean supports Hillary!

yallerdawg!

[yallerdawg]

30. We would be ecstatic with enthusiasm...

for the best qualified candidate and opportunity to elect a woman to the highest office in the world - except we have to hide in little corners to post a simple positive Hillary piece at DU.

That's when the fun left.

[Cha]

31. I hear that.. it's no fun getting squelched for revealing facts about that other candidate..

Please see my post..

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1107&pid=35736

[KingFlorez]

12. Enthusiasm doesn't always equal votes

When it comes down to it, the math doesn't favor Sanders winning the primary. Clinton still has a broader base of support that will show up and that is how primaries are won.

[handmade34]

16. the problem

is that DU has become a full-time Hillary hate-fest and I no longer enjoy discussions here... I still check news daily but I find the behavior on DU extremely destructive

seems many "liberal" minded people are really no different than the republicans we have always complained about

[LS_Editor]

17. You're welcome to try.

[asuhornets]

19. I agree..

I've been going back and forth with the Bernie supporters. Just because they make the most noise, does not mean anything. I am just as passionate about Hillary than anything.

[Treant]

21. Vitriol isn't enthusiasm

And I'm unconvinced that some percentage of these people are going to vote D in the generals even if Sanders were nominated.

Honestly, I've found one or two Sanders supporters with whom I can have a conversation. The remainder simply spew talking points and insults, showing a rather limited depth of understanding of government in general and the Primary process specifically.

Those one or two are insufficient to interest me.

[CajunBlazer]

23. Well, I can't disagre with that part - they are totally unrealistic

[synergie]

24. There are more, I firmly believe, but the ones spewing the idiocy do tend to drown them out. The

problem is that the sane ones don't feel the need to rein in their fellow Bros and stay out of it because they won't go against their team.

[Metric System]

25. If they have their way, Democrats will be looking at another Decade of Darkness, shut out of the

White House for a decade or more.

[Protalker]

27. People vote their pocketbook

Who wouldn't want university with no tuition. I paid for my masters myself. I was broke one quarter and had to sit it out. I would have gone door to door if it would mean free tuition. Also as a social worker I had my own hopes and dreams for society. The longer I worked the more regard I have for results.


.

[Cha]

28. Actually, We don't have A Problem. Hillary is ahead and there's plenty of Enthusiam for her

all over the Place.

They outnumber us here.. but I don't even read them anymore. So I don't see anything coming from them. 0 zilch nada zip.

We're in this for Hillary... not to pay attention to what BS fans are going on about on a message board.

And, that's putting it kindly because if I said what I really thought I would get alerted on by the majority on said message board.

[madamesilverspurs]

29. The enthusiasm, and 99%

of the angst and umbrage, as well.

[Cha]

32. How's this for freaking "enthusiasm"!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/110735721

[Lucinda]

33. If they were all that enthusiastic they would be out knocking on doors

for their guy, not trashing another Democratic candidate on the internet.

Some seem to have truly no clue about Clinton and post easily debunked junk about Hillary. I will occasionally post something if I see that a post is way out of line just in case someone actually wants real information, but otherwise wading into the nastiness isn't healthy for me.

Just now there was a post complaining about a last minute town hall before voting. Post after post was screaming about how horrible it was, and it blows my mind. I see no reason why Bernie wouldn't be up for it and able to do a good job of getting his message across. I like Bernie, prefer Hillary, and don't like what I am seeing from Bernie's campaign much, or the seemingly lack of faith some of his supporters have in his ability to handle a simple town hall.

[katmille]

34. I don't have to fake enthusiasm!

I am so psyched for Hillary. And hey, I'm old enough to be practical, free-spirited enough to be idealistic, and wise enough to know that experience counts! I was so jazzed for Obama in 2008 because as a white woman who has spent a good part of my life working for civil rights I really wanted a Black president. I wanted a woman, too, so I was torn, but as I marked my ballot, I was totally at peace. Now, 7 years later, I am so jazzed for Hillary! A transplanted Texan (don't hold it against me) I hope to help turn this state blue-- if not in 2016, but maybe by 2020, and I'm more than confident that Texas is Hillary country, at least for the primary. I live in a blue county (Travis, home of Austin) so I'm surrounded by lots of progressives and I see a great deal of enthusiasm for Hillary. I think it will reach even more momentum as we approach Super Tuesday! So once we are done with Iowa and New Hampshire, it's onward to the South and West. Then just watch us ROAR!