Bernie's real flaw politically (CLINTON GROUP)

[Lucinda]

There is a wonderful quote from Bernie about religion in GDP - truly wonderful, and yet, at the very end, he had to make even that about money, swatting at billionaires.

Many of those people donate millions and millions to projects to help people. Having money isn't a great evil, abusing people with it is. Wall Street isn't the enemy, we need a strong Wall Street, and a strong robust banking system. Those systems do need oversight in place to protect the people from potential abuse and rashness, but they aren't the evil empire.

Everything comes back to money with Bernie, and as important as it is, that viewpoint is making him miss sooo many important issues. It's a huge reason Hillary resonates better with so many groups IMO. She listens. I don't know why it is his only real focus, I wish I could see it from his perspective, but the problems of the world are much deeper than anything that can be fixed with money alone.

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[Thinkingabout]

1. Yes, she does listen, reacts to the info.

[Lucinda]

2. And works hard to fix it.

[Thinkingabout]

6. Yes

[fun n serious]

3. He is starting to remind me of Rubio nt

[Lucinda]

9. Bernie has passion...I think Rubio just has a battery pack.

[CajunBlazer]

14. Excellent!!!

I actually did laugh out loud.

[Lucinda]

16. Yay!

I'm so glad!

[CajunBlazer]

4. Agreed, money as power is the only thing that he has concentrated on....

...throughout his life. It is the root of all evils in his mind. Spreading that word is his life's work. I truly don't believe he isn't "in it to win it". I believe he's in it because being a candidate gives him an opportunity preach the gospel he has always preached, and have people actually listening and converting. So don't expect to change his tune now.

He seems to lack what I have seen in every other Presidential candidate in recent memory - ambition. You can sense the ambition of other candidate; I don't sense that in Bernie Sanders. He clearly seems to think his message is what's important.

I truly believe that if he wins the nomination and the general election, he would be like a dog chasing a car. He wouldn't know what to do with it if he caught it.

[Lucinda]

8. He would be so unprepared. And I agree, the more I look the less I see any real interest

in actually being president. He has done nothing to forge the ties needed in congress, or any other groups that could help him get the people moving to support his ideas.

[CajunBlazer]

11. I think that originally he was interested in ensureing Hillary had competion...

...from the left. Like when President ran unopposed in 2012 and he said several times that the President should have primary competition, this time around Sanders didn't want a coronation. O'Malley was much too moderate, so he decided to throw his own hat in the ring.

When a politician has long held Presidential ambitions, he doesn't wait until he is 74 years old to try to make good on them. At first I think it was about trying to pull Hillary, who regarded as the eventual nominee, to the left - which actually wouldn't be good for her chances of winning the general election, but that isn't a consideration for Bernie. That's why he didn't go after her hard early, because he wanted to make her more liberal not damage her to the point she was unelectible.

But then he saw how well his message was being received and it became all about starting a revolution and getting out message he has been preaching all of his life. Now he goes after Hillary because she isn't important to him any more. If she eliminates him from the nomination race his pulpit is gone, his megaphone is taken away, and back to being a nondescript independent senator from a tiny state. If now he wants to be President it is not to satisfy his ambition, it is for the cause; he is the ultimate true believer.

[Lucinda]

12. True believers are dangerous. Especially when their message is limited.

I think you may have hit it spot on!

[Tommy2Tone]

5. What he ignores is Wall Street is not monilithic

He acts like they are the Borg collective and march in unison. When the truth is it is a multitude of people that give money to both sides.

[Lucinda]

7. Yep. There may be heavily corrupt individuals, but so much of his

perspective seems like a movie script. Ultimate bad guys everywhere.

[yallerdawg]

10. Philosopically, Marxism is economic theory.

Old socialists (and there are many more than just Bernie) see the evils of the world in economic class, a simple black and white of haves and have-nots.

The inherent excesses of capitalism will reach a tipping point where we all say, "Enough is enough!" Then we can have the political revolution and the will of the people to carry it out.

As we can plainly see, we are not there yet.

America is not there, and Sanders is not the leader to take us there!

[Lucinda]

13. Makes sense. He really does see everything through that lense.

We SHOULD have, and be, a lot of what he talks about, but you have to move the people that direction first, and you can't do that if you aren't honest about what you can achieve.

[Kang Colby]

15. The biggest issue with Wall Street in real life...

isn't what the Sanders crowd believes.

High expense ratios, front loads, tax inefficiency, flashy misleading advertising, and other concoctions associated with actively managed mutual funds are what hurt middle and low income workers, not liquidity providers and high frequency traders which optimize prices by minimizing spreads.

Hillary's ideas around these areas are highly technical and nuanced, but are truly designed to protect real people from getting hurt not "punish" an agnostic system of buying and selling investments. She plans to do what's right not what makes a good sound bite.

When Sanders voted late last year to cut off the Social Security file and suspend option used by middle class and upper middle class people, I realized he doesn't actually care about working folks at all. He only cares about his narrow ideology which is the demonization of capitalism.

HRC 2016!

[Lucinda]

17. I actually wasn't aware of that vote, thank you for the information!

And I agree, her proposals may not make sexy sound bites, but they will do an enormous amount of good in both protecting people, and letting our financial markets thrive. They really don't have to be at odds with each other.

[Kang Colby]

18. It was in the budget bill...and will cost people who have yet to retire about $50,000 in benefits.

Bill Clinton gave us the file and suspend option.

[Lucinda]

19. Wow. I stopped digging into Bernie a while back when I started seeing what was up

and decided to spend my time on other things...looks like I missed a bunch.