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Godhumor

(6,437 posts)
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 02:50 PM Mar 2016

Bernie may win 3 of 4 contests this weekend...and lose ground (HRC Group)

Text from a post I wrote in GDP.

So March 5 and 6 will feature four contests:

Kansas
Nebraska
Louisiana
Maine

Even with the dirth of polling, Bernie will be a big favorite in Maine and could probably expect to win the other two caucuses, Kansas and Nebraska, as well.

However, he has no chance at Louisiana. In fact it isn't even going to be remotely close. And this is where math becomes tricky.

See, Louisiana is the most delegate rich state up for grabs this weekend with 51 (The other 3 states have 83 combined), and, according to the 538 aggregate, Hillary's spread is +44.8% over Bernie through today. That translates into a 23 delegate advantage for her.

Bernie would need to win the other three states by an average of 28% to match that delegate spread. Now, he's lost two of the three closed caucuses, so far (Nevada and American Samoa), but let's go ahead and assume the other, Colorado, is the best analogue for Bernie's upcoming weekend. He won CO by 18.5%.

If he averages an 18.5% victory in the three caucuses, he will finish with 15 to 16 more delegates than Clinton, total, for those contests. So for the entire weekend he would actually lose ground by the tune of 7 or 8 delegates. And another 4 states will be done, which shortens the calendar, again, to start the comeback (Especially with a murderer's row the next two weeks worth 863 delegates across 7 states and 1 territory. He is not likely to be favored in any of those races).

Sometimes it makes sense to fight for votes in states you know you'll lose instead of going for the headline of a win.

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Bernie may win 3 of 4 contests this weekend...and lose ground (HRC Group) (Original Post) Godhumor Mar 2016 OP
Are they all caucus states? question everything Mar 2016 #1
ME, KS, NE are closed caucuses. LA is a closed primary n/t Godhumor Mar 2016 #2
Meaning that Independents can't vote? book_worm Mar 2016 #8
Unless they change registration question everything Mar 2016 #10
In ME, if you are an independent (unenrolled) you can show up to either Repub or Dem caucus Zing Zing Zingbah Mar 2016 #18
. DURHAM D Mar 2016 #3
If they are closed caucuses hard for him to get massive wins. msrizzo Mar 2016 #5
fivethirtyeight shows a 2-1 projected advantage for Clinton in Illinois LannyDeVaney Mar 2016 #4
Hello from Winthrop, Maine! MarianJack Mar 2016 #6
Thanks for that, MarianJack! SunSeeker Mar 2016 #7
Be so nice if she didn't! Cha Mar 2016 #11
I put in an absentee ballot for her too Zing Zing Zingbah Mar 2016 #19
Hopefully so! MarianJack Mar 2016 #21
K&R Treant Mar 2016 #9
i thought Hillary was doing well in Louisianna? Cha Mar 2016 #12
She is. Treant Mar 2016 #13
Mahalo.. I read the OP too fast and didn't even finish it! Cha Mar 2016 #15
Yup. So well LA by itself can negate losses in the other three n/t Godhumor Mar 2016 #14
Thank you.. I read it too fast and left before Cha Mar 2016 #16
states with low delegate counts Setsuna1972 Mar 2016 #17
thanks for the analysis. riversedge Mar 2016 #20

question everything

(47,481 posts)
1. Are they all caucus states?
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 02:55 PM
Mar 2016

Sanders, like Obama in 2008, tends to do better in caucuses. And, I suppose, Maine should be considered as a Sanders' neighbor.

That's OK. Hillary is so far ahead, she can afford to be generous.

I am curious about Illinois. She lost it to Obama, of course, but it was her home state before she left for college.

question everything

(47,481 posts)
10. Unless they change registration
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 06:43 PM
Mar 2016

Personally I prefer closed primaries and caucuses. I think that only voters who identify with the goals and the candidates of the party should participate. I lived in California in the 90 when they tried open primaries.

So I voted for the weakest Republican candidate against Barbara Boxer.

Now it is a completely different game.

Zing Zing Zingbah

(6,496 posts)
18. In ME, if you are an independent (unenrolled) you can show up to either Repub or Dem caucus
Fri Mar 4, 2016, 08:25 PM
Mar 2016

and enroll in the party at that time. You are not allowed to switch parties same day though. We also have a party called Green Independent in Maine. They are not the same as unenrolled Independent. The Green Independents are not allowed to vote in either caucus and cannot switch the same day. I don't know what the deadline was for switching parties, but it has already passed.

msrizzo

(796 posts)
5. If they are closed caucuses hard for him to get massive wins.
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 03:27 PM
Mar 2016

Republicans won't be able to help him unless they want to pass up the Trumpfest.

 

LannyDeVaney

(1,033 posts)
4. fivethirtyeight shows a 2-1 projected advantage for Clinton in Illinois
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 03:05 PM
Mar 2016

>99% to win

Probably another state Sanders has completely given up on.

Zing Zing Zingbah

(6,496 posts)
19. I put in an absentee ballot for her too
Fri Mar 4, 2016, 08:31 PM
Mar 2016

in Lewiston. I have no idea how this will go. Maine can be a little unpredictable.

I noticed we have a Hillary headquarters in town now too. Hopefully, that will be sticking around for a while.

Treant

(1,968 posts)
9. K&R
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 05:39 PM
Mar 2016

They'll play the optics of 3 wins to 1 win, of course, neglecting the fact that Clinton will win the greater number of delegates. That should be fun.

That lasts until Tuesday when the clouds break again and it's sunny for Clinton for a solid week. She'll win in number of states, state size, and clean up on delegates.

Treant

(1,968 posts)
13. She is.
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 08:56 PM
Mar 2016

She's likely to lose the other three, but get something from a landslide to a blowout in Louisiana.

That'll even out the delegate count, more or less. We can expect another call to nullify Southern voters from the Sanders supporters since LA will balance or more than balance all of the other three (very much smaller) states where the caucuses won't be a complete blowout.

Cha

(297,250 posts)
16. Thank you.. I read it too fast and left before
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 09:15 PM
Mar 2016

the finish. my bad.

Well, that's a good thing.. Good ol Louisiana.. New Orleans!

Setsuna1972

(332 posts)
17. states with low delegate counts
Fri Mar 4, 2016, 05:57 PM
Mar 2016

It's almost a hollow victory to win states where the delegate numbers available are rather small . And for any BernieBros lurking, I haven't said anything about what race the voters are either ! It's just doing the math

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