A Jury Voted 4-3 to Leave This Garbage Up!

[Stand and Fight]

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1280156616

I'm so mad I could spit.... How in the world is this shit -- accusing the front-runner and presumptive nominee -- of cheating allowed to stand on a site that claims to be "Democratic Underground"? Enough is enough.

[liberal N proud]

1. Because BSER'S have managed to get everyone that might have a level head blocked

I have not served on a jury for 3 months.

[johnp3907]

2. I wish these republicans would get their own website.

[OhZone]

29. Yeah that! nt

[BlueMTexpat]

49. +1! eom

[Walk away]

64. Pretty soon!

Bye Bye Bernies!

[workinclasszero]

75. Same here!

[Trenzalore]

3. They will make up anything

To justify the fact that the revolution just isn't that popular.

[romana]

4. Russia Insider? /nt

[Stand and Fight]

5. You'd think it would matter, but to them it doesn't matter.

Anything to perpetuate their lies.

[riversedge]

50. It is hard to tell Sanders fans from the RW!!--and on a Democratic board!

[Arkansas Granny]

55. Isn't that the truth. I wonder how many will be staying after Hillary wins the nomination.

[pkdu]

6. Russia-Insider.com........awesome! Bernie must proud of these guys. Nt

[still_one]

7. The article is from Russia Insider, which has been publishing and re-publishing pieces of Russia's

disinformation warfare against the West and Ukraine.

http://www.stopfake.org/en/is-russia-insider-sponsored-by-a-russian-oligarch-with-the-ties-to-the-european-far-right/

If they have to resort to Russian propaganda of the west, it is pretty pathetic

[SunSeeker]

31. But hey, Russia is a great place for a honeymoon. Ask Bernie!

[Dawson Leery]

34. A great vacation destination for Gay couples.

[KittyWampus]

46. Also a great place for people who steal data… ask Snowden.

[SunSeeker]

65. LOL

[Surya Gayatri]

57. Touché!

[KewlKat]

9. I'll probably get banned. I replied to that post.

I''m sick of this shit!!!!

[wryter2000]

74. Join the list

I'm already banned. Okay by me.

I didn't even mean to get banned. I posted there not realizing I was in the BS group. I then wrote a really apologetic letter to the host who banned me. Do you think I got any kind of reply? Crickets. You can keep the whole lot of them.

[Hekate]

10. Can't comment in the BS Group, but I did alert it as a TOS violation.....

Last edited Thu Mar 24, 2016, 11:17 PM - Edit history (1)

....for using a known propaganda organ and trying to criminalize the Dem frontrunner. That should send it to the Admins.

[KewlKat]

11. by jury, a post of mine was hidden the other day because of the site I sourced regarding Bernies

wealth....and this crap is allowed to stand....calling her a thief.....I may just have to stop coming here.

[mercuryblues]

35. post it again

[Hekate]

47. If you post it again, include a note to the next Jury with links

Just be sure of your sources and info. But I'm serious about the PS to a potential jury, because alert stalkers can and do twist your words, and you can provide context for someone who may be reading only your post and not, for instance, the one just before it that you might be responding to.

[Beaverhausen]

12. even those replying aren't buying it

But how a jury let it stand? I am really starting to hate this place.

[KewlKat]

14. I'm not starting to.....I now do! I've come here for years, 2004, and this place is so toxic I just

can't stand it. I can't imagine how much lower the mood can go............is there a clinton friendly forum anywhere? this place raises my blood pressure from trying to sift through all the lies, smears and accusations because another candidate isn't doing as well as the supporters think they should so they have to place the blame elsewhere and will do anything to justifiy there lies.

[shadowandblossom]

36. I go here when I need a break

It's not quite what you're looking for since it isn't a forum but people chat in the comments sections... http://www.thepeoplesview.net/

[wryter2000]

73. Trash the BS group and GDP

I did that, and DU is almost like the old DU.

Most of them aren't Democrats. The crap will stop when Hillary's the candidate.

[KewlKat]

13. well i've been blocked. BS from a BSSer

I said nothing over the top....there is no reason why I should have been blocked. How can I reply to the blocker?

[Her Sister]

17. KewlKat!!

Stay cool! You got us! I stay in HRC group b/c I know together we will continue riding the wave! Don't despair!

Again, you got us!! We count a lot! lol! Together we know what's up. That's so great!!

I think this is the reason why HRC ~ our candidate~ seems so sane, calm and actually happy even after years of media and GOP and now leftist abuse and harassment. She's the kind of person who develops connections and friendships.

I want you to be OK!


http://www.goodnewsnetwork.org/uplift/

[Loki]

28. Hey they blocked me too. A long time ago.

Let them live in their Karl Rove bubble.

[workinclasszero]

76. Their bubble is going to pop real soon.

Oh well they will still have their religous icons of Bernie and the bird to pray to!

[upaloopa]

78. Saint Bernard of the birds

[Setsuna1972]

32. I've been blocked there as well

But I consider that a badge of honor !

[leftofcool]

15. It's predictable horseshit from a losing team

[21st Century Poet]

16. You are right about the article but wrong about the response.

You think it's rubbish. You are mad. Fine, say so, but why do you feel the urge to have it removed, to shut it down, to stop others from discussing an article which they found on the internet?

It saddens me when Democrats' reaction to speech they don't like is to stop people from talking. I think the article is overblown but I too would have voted to leave it alone.

The poster is simply putting an article which is out there up for discussion. Why not just reply to the post and point out how rubbish it is and why? Why not ridicule it and point out its mistakes? Rational discourse is so much more effective than shutting people down. It is also the truly democratic way to deal with discourse you don't like.

[Stand and Fight]

18. You're in the wrong group.

Unlike you, I respect that fact. If you guys want to lap up vomit from a questionable Russia source in the Sanders group, have at it. I on the other hand can rightly complain about this since I was a member of the jury. Beat it.

[Her Sister]

19. b/c source is important in DU, isn't it?

Def should not have been posted.

[SunSeeker]

33. Then why not let all manner of crazy right wing propaganda get posted here? HMMMM?

It is because we're supposed to be the DEMOCRATIC UNDERGROUND. We are supposed to have standards.

This is supposed to be a PROGRESSIVE site, where facts and rational thought are embraced, not hate filled bullshit propaganda and conspiracy theories. It is absolutely fucking shameful and embarrassing for DU progressives to be associated with batshit posts like that here.

[Cha]

40. Go tell that to the BS Group that shuts down everything with a whiff of reality on BS.

[William769]

41. You want to know what BS really stands for?

Wait till you read the load of shit in a PM I got. Talk about delusions of Grandeur!

Do I even need to tell you who it's from?

[Cha]

43. I can well imagine.. i get my own load of BS in PMs

unreal! Like our own little bag of EarlG's hatemail.

[Coolest Ranger]

54. What is rubbish

is you being in our group. What saddens me are people who can't play fair and square and try to rig the system so it benefits Bernie. Kindly take your hate for Secretary clinton out of our group

[Iamaartist]

20. article

Mine was taking off it was all over the internet before I even posted it on him..oh well...and I am new here don't know about all here yet everybody knew before i even seen the article it was all over on other sites
there was tons of comments under the article everybody posting it everywhere on the internet oh well I guess I learn everyday.....but there is tons of bad stuff on Hillary and its hurting us who care about her

[jmowreader]

21. We are almost at the point...

...where the minute Hillary breaks 2100 delegates, they'll have to PPR the entire membership of the Bernie Sanders group and allow them to come back in on a probationary, moderated basis.

[Iamaartist]

23. right !!!!!!!!!!

[jmowreader]

25. And can you imagine how that would make us look, to conduct a Soviet Purge?

That's the kind of thing Free Republic does, or at least did...every so often Jim Robinson goes in there and throws everyone who doesn't follow him blindly off the board, removes all their posts and turns them into nonpersons. I don't WANT to throw them off, but we might be forced to. Ugh. How the fuck did we wind up here?

[dlwickham]

22. nothing surprises me anymore

I sometimes alert on posts to see how blatant the prejudice is against Hillary

[Walk away]

24. Sorry that I can't stand to look but I have "RECed" nt

[MarianJack]

26. Don't forget the new "BernieUnderground" litmus test of...

..absolute and unquestioning and most especially BLIND loyalty to the non Democrat in this race. Shit!

PEACE!

[Iamaartist]

27. Stand and Fight

Everybody should know about the TRUTH on our candidates that are running for the oval office of the United States......

[Stand and Fight]

52. Just what is that supposed to mean?

The fact of the matter is that it's innuendo and lies, and you would do well to consider the source rather than spewing nonsense.

[Her Sister]

58. He is HRC supporter

maybe message was confusing.

[Stand and Fight]

60. Very much. I was REALLY asking him the question though...

I know it might sound like I was being snarky, but there was no sarcasm there.

[Dawson Leery]

30. Strange how the far left goes to Putin's Russia for information to bash Hillary with.

[mercuryblues]

37. Sthe berni bros

are using a Russian propaganda rag to attack Clinton. What wonderful democrats they are.

[Eko]

38. I saw that article on facebook and knew someone on DU would post it.

Makes me think of this " I have neither the time or crayons to explain it to you", and I'm sure the crayons wouldn't even help. I worry about our country when people cant even use basic logic to see right through that stupid article.

[UtahLib]

39. Stooping so low only serves to emphasize their desperation. nt

[fleabiscuit]

42. I wouldn't have the guts to smoke what that dude/dudette must have smoked. eom

[creeksneakers2]

44. Crazy threads all over the place

I just saw one about a Phoenix civil rights activist saying the voting problems were an honest mistake just an hour after calling for resignations. With nothing in the article to substantiate it, the headline called him a Clinton "surrogate." They just outright lie and the Sanders followers eagerly gobble it all up, even the most far fetched conspiracy theories. Why would Hillary have a civil rights activist speak in favor of the election officials? They can only believe that because they believe Hillary was behind the voting problems. These people are crazier than birthers.

[Tommy2Tone]

45. Frankly is't why I don't go there

I see the same intelligence in GD as I witnessed in the movie Animal House.

[BlueMTexpat]

48. I have trashed the thread and

that poster is now and will forever remain on Full Ignore so far as I am concerned.

Since some jurors let their devotion to Sanders skew DU's TOS, the least I can do is to banish those who post such OPs from my virtual life. That won't change their petulant and childish behavior, of course. But I won't have to deal with it any more.

[Stand and Fight]

53. That's a good idea. I rarely ignore people, but that kind of behavior is certainly worthy of it. n/t

[BlueMTexpat]

70. Deciding whether or not to "Ignore"

is certainly a personal option and there are several on DU who choose not to use that feature for various reasons. I respect those decisions.

But at 70+, I have less time for options and a LOT less patience to suffer fools, idiots, or worse.

[riversedge]

51. and garbage it is--stinking garbage at that!

[Coolest Ranger]

56. The ones who skirt around Skinner's announcment

are the ones I put on Full ignore and I trash their thread

[MSMITH33156]

59. They can leave it up IMO

It's obviously completely ridiculous nonsense. She was kicking his butt in every poll, it's a diverse state. He had no shot there.

I don't believe any fraud has happened in any state, but the funny thing is that if you look at the results, there was only one state in the entire country where projections and polling totally missed. And that was Michigan. If you take all the evidence (demographic voting trends, polling, projections) for every state, and ask any neutral observer which state looks fishy, and it is CLEARLY Michigan. Every other state has been reasonable in comparison to evidence going in.

But of course Bernie didn't steal Michigan, and no one here believes that because we aren't crazy people that refuse to admit that on that Tuesday, more people in that state wanted Bernie. It happens.

Just like millions of more people nationwide have voted for Hillary. We like her more, she's infinitely more qualified, a better general election candidate, smarter, more talented, more experienced, been fighting for our party for 20 years...and SHOCKINGLY she's winning. How could the better candidate with more broad based appeal possibly be whipping the candidate with narrow appeal? CONSPIRACY!

With all that said, the reason that nonsensical, completely ridiculous post should stay up is because it's in the Bernie Group. I know they come in here and hide stuff all the time, in ridiculous fashion, and have hidden many things in here and in GD-P that are much more tame than that. But I don't believe that things posted in the Group sections should be hidden. That is for his supporters, if they keep it there, I don't have a problem with it.

[Stand and Fight]

61. I think you're the hammer. I also think you hit the nail on the head.

Thanks for your thoughtful input and analysis.

[DemonGoddess]

62. The OP is complete and utter garbage

I've decided that getting angry at these blind followers does me no good, and only makes my ulcer hurt. So, instead of getting mad, I'm voting. FOR HILLARY. Also working very hard on converting Repubs I know in this red state I live in to vote for her as well, not just in the primary, but in the GE. So far, I've had moderate success. Where I've failed is with gun nuts. No surprise there. Granted this is small potatoes, but every little bit helps.

[Stand and Fight]

66. Right on... I already did here in Nevada.

And guess what I didn't see living here? Cheating.

[Fla Dem]

63. Do you have the jury results? If so would you please post. Thanks.

[Stand and Fight]

67. Here you go:

On Thu Mar 24, 2016, 07:06 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

Arizona: Hillary Clinton's Election Fraud Masterpiece
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1280156616

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Can this person possibly be that stupid?

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Thu Mar 24, 2016, 07:11 PM, and the Jury voted 3-4 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Frivolous alert (:
Juror #2 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: What an f'ing load of crap.
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #7 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

[LisaM]

68. I followed the link in the OP, commented on it....

and got banned from the Bernie Sanders group! It was a complete accident, some thin skins over there.


I didn't even say anything bad about Bernie Sanders!

[bluestateguy]

69. Disgusting

nt

[DesertRat]

71. The source is a Russian propaganda site

Their desperation is showing!

[Stand and Fight]

72. Indeed it is. n/t

[upaloopa]

77. We have to put up with the bull shit a while longer

Hillary will be nominated at the convention in July.

All this will be a sad memory then. Hang in there.