Hillary Clinton
Related: About this forumThey-Sanders- lost because they did not try to compete!! ha ha Maddow is
giving a seething report on all the reasons they have lost certain states.
She is saying they will have to walk this excuse back.
Legends303
(481 posts)is that Hilary is only winning conservative states but yet Sanders still lost in the most deglate rich northern and western states.
lunamagica
(9,967 posts)"he wanted to lose"!
Now she'll be thrown under the bus for stating irrefutable facts
DesertFlower
(11,649 posts)riversedge
(70,299 posts)Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin
(108,192 posts)NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)cosmicone
(11,014 posts)His paycheck and 15% on ad buys is at stake!
SharonClark
(10,014 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)Maybe she's tired of the shit she's getting (and she has been getting some shit for not being sufficiently enthusiastic or partisan while covering this primary), and has applied some ointment to that "bern."
Cha
(297,650 posts)lunamagica
(9,967 posts)he would have. Really, they are going with that.
But Rachel didn't let them get away with it. He really crushed their lies with facts!
riversedge
(70,299 posts)she says that will not fly. --Tad Devine said this--per Maddow
She briefly went thru how the Sanders camp had during the time or BEFORE the time of the states they lost--mostly the Southern states--had put out press releases of how they were opening up offices in these states, hiring staff. ect ect....
They DID try and put lots of resources in many of these states --so much for 'not trying'
nolabear
(41,991 posts)DesertFlower
(11,649 posts)over this reporting.
riversedge
(70,299 posts)Cha
(297,650 posts)Iliyah
(25,111 posts)Trenzalore
(2,331 posts)The Super Delegate Army might take a break from pissing of Super Delegates to voice their displeasure.
KewlKat
(5,624 posts)perhaps we can look at the FEC summary
Trenzalore
(2,331 posts)She has been labeled an enemy to the revolution for ever now.
DesertFlower
(11,649 posts)don't agree with they throw them under the bus. i've been here a long time and watched them do it. they did it with keith olbermann who they allegedly loved. they do it to anderea mitchell, chris matthews, etc. some people are very immature.
watch, if she seems to side with bernie she'll be back in their good graces.
Trenzalore
(2,331 posts)They loved her a few days ago.
DesertFlower
(11,649 posts)don't realize people are just doing their jobs reporting.
Trenzalore
(2,331 posts)and the Obama campaign, I wonder if we were this bad...and at times maybe...but not this consistently. The Bernie people I've encountered seem to be unhinged.
DesertFlower
(11,649 posts)supported obama back then, but would have voted for hillary if she were the nominee. we seem to have way more people posting now too.
the bernie people seem to be very "cult" like.
my sister thinks many of them are trolls.
Trenzalore
(2,331 posts)The friend from High School that was posting Ron Paul shit that now posts Bernie shit makes me scratch my head.
DesertFlower
(11,649 posts)(different name) we were all united against bush. the biggest argument was whether mark warner should run for prez.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)riversedge
(70,299 posts)Trenzalore
(2,331 posts)She rankled their feathers last week by saying it was adorable and cool and not a sign from God.
Rose Siding
(32,623 posts)riversedge
(70,299 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)I think Clinton had 10 paid staff and 2 offices.
He also outspent her massively in ad buys.
Cha
(297,650 posts)were having their Sunday Feast.. was he not even trying?
http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2016/02/21/muted-response-to-sanders-at-south-carolina-church/
MADem
(135,425 posts)He gave a speech at at least one HBC. The crowd shots were rather salt-n-peppa.
https://berniesanders.com/press-release/13084/
He spent quite a bit in SC on ads, too. The return on his investment is poor.
livetohike
(22,163 posts)Cha
(297,650 posts)fish to believe his whiny tale.
riversedge
(70,299 posts)sheshe2
(83,898 posts)Beaverhausen
(24,472 posts)She lives for elections. She loves this.
But she's just reporting the facts here, not taking a side.
DesertFlower
(11,649 posts)she was an analyst back in '08. sat in for keith olbermann a few times. he was the one who recommended she get her own show. she's one of my favorites.
Satch59
(1,353 posts)Went over to the dark side to read the BS'rs exploding over Rachel the Hack...wasn't she gold last week for showing an entire Bernie speech? Hmmm...fickle group...
Tad made another stupid comment...and glad Rachel is calling him out. Can't wait for his reaction when she wins NY, PA, MD... What will the excuse be then?
Hey, do we have a shot at WI??
DesertFlower
(11,649 posts)i like bernie but if he were the nominee the repubs would tear him apart. right now they're very dismissive of him.
and, if he were elected i don't think he get much done. who's going to work with a guy who constantly puts them down?
Treant
(1,968 posts)it's getting a bit late to start. We're only 2 1/2 weeks out from New York, and that's a lot of "trying" to catch up with Clinton...you know, the two-term New York Senator.
UtahLib
(3,179 posts)Sometimes the smell is just so overwhelming that discussing it can't be avoided.
jsmirman
(4,507 posts)if this is his fucking excuse!
Seriously, you fucking piker! The irony of what he pulls down to run that campaign while blasting anyone who has two nickels to rub together is too much.
I'd find Tad Devine a few million times less grating if he put his money where his mouth is and gave all the millions he's made on the campaign to people who actually need it.
UMTerp01
(1,048 posts)Maddow has always been pretty fair and balanced.
riversedge
(70,299 posts)Tweet:
Pat Fuller @bannerite 1h1 hour ago
#Maddow I heard Devine's argument in Jr. High. "You only won because I didn't try." What a #weeniewhiner
dubyadiprecession
(5,722 posts)Hillary has 237 more pledged delegates than bernie. These are what she has won outside of the superdelegates.
Bernie's message has been lousy of convincing the majority to vote for him. He's just not the best candidate and he has only two caucus states left where he can do good. which is not good enough.
DarthDem
(5,256 posts). . . as this primary goes on. He's coming off as a misogynist bully, an egotist only slightly less taken with himself than Trump, and now a sore loser. Then there's his failure to do squat for downticket Democrats and the very, very Tea Party-like nature of his supporters. I am absolutely relishing the prospect of the imminent end of his campaign.
Gothmog
(145,554 posts)This is a good report on the silliness of the Sanders campaign claim http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/bernie-sanders-campaign-offers-awkward-take-state-the-race
Its easy to imagine folks from Team Clinton saying they werent exactly going all out to win in Idaho and Utah states Sanders won easily but competitive candidates for national office dont get to use that as an excuse when things arent going as well as theyd like.
At its root, Devines argument is that Team Sanders identified a series of early, delegate-rich states, but they chose not to bother with them. Thats not just a bad argument; its the kind of message thats probably going to irritate quite a few Sanders supporters who expect more from their team.
Making matters slightly worse, Tad Devines pitch isnt altogether accurate. In Virginia, for example one of the eight primaries in which he says Team Sanders chose not to compete plenty of campaign watchers know the senator actually made an effort in the commonwealth and lost anyway. The senator also campaigned in Texas, which is another one of the states Devine said the campaign wrote off.
As for the argument that Sanders wins in every place that we compete with her, even taken at face value, its not an especially compelling argument: Team Sanders made a real effort to win in states like Arizona, Nevada, Ohio, and Massachusetts, but he lost in each of them.
Dont be too surprised if Devine walks back his comments today. Its just not a message that does Team Sanders any favors.
Update: Devine also said the Sanders campaign chose to compete for state victories, rather than compete for delegate victories. I have no idea why the campaign would deliberately choose to compete by the wrong metric that would lead to defeat, but if I were a die-hard Sanders backer, this kind of rhetoric would be incredibly frustrating.
This excuse is so very weak
riversedge
(70,299 posts)livetohike
(22,163 posts)South. Including TX and Arizona. So Devine is saying they ignored ALL of those states.
stopbush
(24,396 posts)especially after MSNBC spent all of last week shilling for Sanders.
She was laughing at Tad Devine.
baldguy
(36,649 posts)Gets Maddow tossed under the bus & placed on the BoB's enemies list.
cosmicone
(11,014 posts)Dishonest, disingenuous, pandering, egotistical and authoritarian. "Don't stand there" guy