Can anyone translate a small section of what Pres. Morales said on landing, please?

[muriel_volestrangler]

Hi - I'm guessing there are several good Spanish speakers here, and I'm trying to get what President Morales said on landing in La Paz. We have a video, but I can't find a complete transcription - only snippets in press reports. This is about what Morales says "lamento mucho" about. See a quote from the AP report here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=3172850
and my reply to that here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=3173198

I think "lamento mucho" refers to the sentence he is about to say, when he tells some European countries they need to free themselves from the North American empire. The AP report implies that he regrets whatever he talks about in the previous sentence, but I don't speak Spanish, and I can't get what the previous sentence was, except it ends "el imperio norteamericano". The video is here:

http://actualidad.rt.com/actualidad/view/99160-bolivia-evo-morales-avion

and this starts about 5:50 into it.

Not only does the AP report seem to imply the regret is about an asylum offer:

Morales had suggested while in Russia that he would be willing to consider giving Snowden asylum in Bolivia.

"I regret this, but I want to say that some European countries should free themselves from North American imperialism," he said.

but The Guardian sub-editor has picked up on the implication, and put, as a subtitle, "Bolivian president says he regrets offering NSA whistleblower asylum, but Europe should free itself from US imperialism", which I think is completely false. The RT report seems to say he didn't mention Snowden at all.

We have the 'lamento mucho' sentence here: http://www.paginasiete.bo/2013-07-03/Nacional/Destacados/Destacados_014.aspx , which is at 6:05 in the video. Can anyone say what the sentence immediately before was?

Thanks.

[dusty trails]

1. Google translator

I put that paragraph into the Google translator and it came out:
"I am sorry and I want to tell some European countries that have free American empire. I can not understand that some countries are faithful and obedient servants of American imperialism, "said the president in his arrival in Bolivia."

You can access the Google translator at Google or this link:
http://translate.google.com/?hl=en&hl=en&tab=fT

[muriel_volestrangler]

2. Yes (I had already done that), but we need the sentence before

AP/The Guardian have given the impression that "I am sorry" refers to the sentence before (the 'and' does leave that possibility open, without knowing the sentence before); and the way their article is written, it implies that the sentence before was about the asylum offer. I don't think it is, but I need a Spanish speaker to catch what the sentence before says.

[MADem]

3. That clip says EN VIVO (live) but the reactions of the audience members don't seem to match

what Evo is saying all the time. That's an RT production, that clip....and all those crowd shots make it difficult to know if there's a continuity issue.

[muriel_volestrangler]

4. Drop the RT conspiracy theory, won't you?

It makes you look like a moon landing denier.

[MADem]

5. You need to be brought up to speed; instead of insulting me, perhaps you might do some reading.

RT's focus and intent is to play gotcha with USA, and Putin's charge to the network is to do precisely that. Where have you been hiding that you are the last person unaware of this? They make VOA look 'fair and balanced' and they make FauxSnooze look reliable.

RT, also known as Russia Today, is an international multilingual Russian-based television network. It is registered as an autonomous non-profit organization[2][3] funded by the federal budget of Russia through the Federal Agency on Press and Mass Communications of the Russian Federation.[4][5]...After the 2005 announcement the station would be launched, the U.S. government-owned Voice of America (VOA)[108] interviewed Anton Nosik, chief editor of MosNews.com, who said the creation of Russia Today "smacks of Soviet-style propaganda campaigns."[109] A representative of Reporters Without Borders called the newly announced network “another step of the state to control information.”[110] In 2009 Luke Harding in The Guardian described Russia Today's advertising campaign in the United Kingdom as an "ambitious attempt to create a new post-Soviet global propaganda empire."[33]

In 2010 The Independent reported that RT journalists had revealed that coverage of sensitive issues in Russia is allowed, but direct criticism of Vladimir Putin or then President Dmitry Medvedev is not.[23] Masha Karp wrote in Standpoint magazine that contemporary Russian issues "such as the suppression of free speech and peaceful demonstrations, or the economic inefficiency and corrupt judiciary, are either ignored or their significance played down".[111] In 2008 Stephen Heyman wrote in the New York Times that in RT’s Russia, “corruption is not quite a scourge but a symptom of a developing economy.”[21]

Russians also have been critical of RT. Former KGB officer Konstantin Preobrazhensky criticized RT as "a part of the Russian industry of misinformation and manipulation".[112] Andrey Illarionov, former advisor to Vladimir Putin, has labeled the channel as "the best Russian propaganda machine targeted at the outside world. On the other hand, prominent Russian officials such as Foreign Minister of Russia Sergey Lavrov are strong advocates of RT."[74]


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RT_(TV_network)

So, land on that link, and then try to deny it. You're the only one who hasn't been clued in, apparently.

[muriel_volestrangler]

6. For Fuck's Sake, you are seriously claiming that RT would fake the speech that Morales gave

when he landed in Bolivia. What for? It's not as if they made any special claims about it. I wanted to know what the "I am sorry" referred to, so I looked on the internet until I found a site that had the video of the speech. It happens to be RT that hosts it.

Your lunatic conspiracy theory that RT carefully edited the speech, but did not draw any attention to it, so that, a couple of days later, a British guy on an American website would get fooled into mistaking the sentence before "I am sorry" shows that you're not actaully interested in finding out what Morales said. You'll just throw crap, in the vague hope that something stick to the wall.

[muriel_volestrangler]

8. Same speech, different TV station:

http://www.telesurtv.net/articulos/2013/07/04/evo-morales-recomendo-a-europa-liberarse-del-imperio-norteamericano-9520.html

So, you know what you can do with your "RT fakes everything" red herring.

[MADem]

9. RT edits. And they slant. So does TELESUR. nt

[muriel_volestrangler]

11. Just watch it. For fuck's sake. It's a continuous shot.

Fuck me, you've joined the evidence-denying collective hive mind, haven't you?

[MADem]

12. OK, so we can conclude, then, that the GUARDIAN lies?

Which means that everything being reported about Snowden of any substance is suspect...?

[muriel_volestrangler]

13. You get the "fucking idiotic post of the year award"

Congratulations on being part of the "make DU suck" team.

[MADem]

15. No--I think you just won that prize with Lucky Thirteen, there.

Cognitive dissonance is what sucks--and that's what you're dealing with.

[bananas]

10. Sourcewatch on Reporters Without Borders

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/Reporters_Without_Borders

Reporters Without Borders

<snip>

RWF's website notes that: "The Saatchi & Saatchi agency designs and conducts all our media campaigns." [1]

<snip>

Funding Sources

Robert Menard, the Secretary General of RSF, was forced to confess that RSF's budget was primarily provided by "US organizations strictly linked with US foreign policy" (Thibodeau, La Presse).

- NED (US$39,900 paid 14 Jan 2005)
- Center for a Free Cuba (USAID and NED funded) $50,000 per year NED grant. Contract was signed by Otto Reich
- European Union (1.2m Euro) -- currently contested in EU parliament
- Rights & Democracy in 2004 supported Reporters Without Borders-Canada [1]

"Grants from private foundations (Open Society Foundation, Center for a Free Cuba, Fondation de France, National Endowment for Democracy) were slightly up, due to the Africa project funded by the NED and payment by Center for a Free Cuba for a reprint of the banned magazine De Cuba." [2]

Principal focus of RSF activities

Cuba
Venezuela
Haiti

<snip>

Otto Reich connection

"The man who links RSF to these activities is Otto Reich, who worked on the coups first as assistant secretary of state for Latin American affairs, and, after Nov. 2002, as a special envoy to Latin America on the National Security Council. Besides being a trustee of the government-funded Center for a Free Cuba, which gives RSF $50,000 a year, Reich has worked since the early 1980's with the IRI.'s senior vice president, Georges Fauriol, another member of the Center for a Free Cuba. But it is Reich's experience in propaganda that is especially relevant." [4]

<snip>

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/Saatchi_%26_Saatchi

Saatchi & Saatchi

Saatchi & Saatchi is a global advertising company which was formed in 1970 and now has offices in 83 countries.

<snip>

ReBranding Israel

"When the word 'Israel' is said outside its borders, we want it to invoke not fighting or soldiers, but a place that is desirable to visit and invest in, a place that preserves democratic ideals while struggling to exist," said Israeli Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni, during a September 2006 meeting with "public relations executives, branding specialists and diplomats" in Tel Aviv. Livni "recently put the image initiative on the government's agenda and will soon develop a budget for the program," according to the Israeli Consulate in New York's media and public affairs consul. "A staffer with the London-based global ad firm Saatchi and Saatchi is already working with the Israelis free of charge on the re-branding effort," the Washington Times reported. [2]

<snip>

[MADem]

14. So are you going to lump the Guardian in with those guys, too, and dismiss everything they have to

say, because they don't like them either? You can't cherry pick out the outfits you hate and ignore the Snowden friendly publications that ALSO have problems with RT--from the wiki link:
In 2009 Luke Harding in The Guardian described Russia Today's advertising campaign in the United Kingdom as an "ambitious attempt to create a new post-Soviet global propaganda empire."[33]


And then there's this....
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/may/02/russia-today-ched-evans-rape

Even the rather biased AJ finds them OTT: http://www.aljazeera.com/programmes/listeningpost/2011/03/201132714649315858.html



They are funded by Putin. They serve Putin. It's NO secret. Cui bono? Putin.

[Buzz Clik]

7. Roughly, he's saying: "I am becoming another third world clown. The US is Satan!"

Translations differ.

[ocpagu]

16. He says

"I just want to say, brothers and sisters from Bolivia, thank you so much for your support, this struggle is not only for Evo, but for several peoples. The people will never be muzzled, the people will continue to fight for its liberation, in face of all threats and confrontations imposed by the American Empire."

*on edit: he didn't mention Snowden at any point of the video, and he didn't say he regrets any kind of decision.

[muriel_volestrangler]

17. Thank you very much

I've noticed one person in another forum has already said they've complained about the misleading sub-headline of The Guardian to them; I will too.

On edit: The Guardian has changed the sub-headline to "Bolivian president says Europe should free itself from US imperialism", and has slightly altered the AP text so it now reads:

Morales had suggested while in Russia that he would be willing to consider giving Snowden asylum in Bolivia.

"I regret (saying) this, but I want to say that some European countries should free themselves from North American imperialism," he said.

So they've corrected the mistake.

[flamingdem]

18. Morales said he regretting saying he'd consider asylum for Snowden?

That's interesting, and conciliatory in some ways.

[muriel_volestrangler]

19. Have you actually read anything in this thread?

[flamingdem]

20. I read the English translation nt

[muriel_volestrangler]

21. The *entire* thread has been to show that Morales *does not* regret talking about asylum

by getting the Spanish, and then getting The Guardian to correct the false subheading they used. And they have. That'swhy it now says, at the bottom of the Guardian article:

• A subheading and the text was amended on 5 July 2013. As the result of a misreading of the edited agency story about President Morales's speech, a subheading stated that the president regretted offering Snowden asylum. He did not.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jul/04/evo-morales-bolivia

[flamingdem]

22. thanks, that makes more sense nt

[Socialistlemur]

23. Need to read the text slowly, dude

He said Europeans should free themselves from USA imperialism. The way I figure this, the empire was using paralegal techniques, the Europeans knew it, Snowden can show they knew it and everybody wants to bury the guy except for the Venezuelans who are into tweaking uncle SAMs nose. I don't like the Venezuelan regime too much but I sure hope the Russians send the guy to Caracas and he stays alive to write a book. I'm tired of all this super government big brother abuse, which includes pretty much every goddam government. I'm starting to feel like a Teodor K, this is way too much. Now I'm going to go buy me a lemon pie just in case the FBI comes to pick me up.