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Related: About this forumVenezuela's Maduro: I sleep in Chavez's mausoleum
Venezuelan President Nicolas Maduro is known for his devotion to late leader Hugo Chavez and now he acknowledges that he sometimes sleeps in the mausoleum where his mentors remains are kept.
Maduro was Chavezs vice president and named by him as his successor before he died. During the campaign for the April 14 election he narrowly won, Maduro caused a furor when he said Chavez came to him in the form of a little bird that flew around his head.
Venezuelas president reopened the issue of his use of Chavezs image on Thursday when, during an act at the former military museum where Chavezs remains are kept, he said: I sometimes come at night. At times, many times, I sleep here.
He said he sometimes comes with a retinue. We enter at night and we stay to sleep. At night we reflect on things here.
http://www.boston.com/news/world/latin-america/2013/08/09/venezuela-maduro-sleep-chavez-mausoleum/3HEQXQRzShI6JAwygt9zaP/story.html
Nothing weird about that, eh?
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)NoPasaran
(17,291 posts)COLGATE4
(14,732 posts)Zorro
(15,724 posts)Watch for it.
COLGATE4
(14,732 posts)is on record that 'Hugo is now at the right hand of Jesus'.
Bacchus4.0
(6,837 posts)Peace Patriot
(24,010 posts)...meditations at Chavez's tomb--IF this story is true. The bird story was not. It was a mistranslation deliberately designed to make Maduro look foolish. What he actually said was that he was meditating outdoors, just after Chavez died, a bird came down to him and he thought of Chavez. He DIDN'T say that Chavez had visited him in the form of a bird! It's a common experience of mourners. I've had it myself--visits by birds in particular after someone dies. Nature seems to be in sympathy with human mourners. Perhaps mourning puts us in a special meditative state in which Nature notices us and we are particularly sensitive and notice Nature. In any case, the bird story as Maduro nuttiness was foul play--vetted and debunked here at DU at the time.
Naturally, rightwingers--who promulgate stories against Leftist politicians--repeat that false tale as if the mistranslation had never been exposed.
So I gotta wonder about this one. Skepticism is called for. But, say it's true or even partly true (not a malicious translation). Maduro, and sometimes Maduro and associates, feel the need for quiet and inspiration, and find it at Chavez's tomb. Millions of Venezuelans would sympathize with this. Chavez was a great president, akin to our FDR. His death was quite obviously a profoundly sad event to most Venezuelans, as FDR's death was here. Chavez was Maduro's mentor and Maduro obviously feels deep attachment to his memory. And it cannot be easy following in Chavez's footsteps--especially with the U.S. government and its corpo-fascist rulers and all of rightwingdom seeing Chavez's death as an opportunity to destroy the Chavez revolution and return the poor to penury and powerlessness--and to stop this amazing revolution's spread throughout South America and into Central America. It is U.S. priority no. 1 in this hemisphere, to stop the socialist revolution that is occurring in Latin America and regain control of Latin American oil and other resources and domination of its economies for 1%-er looting.
These things must weigh heavily on Maduro and it is no wonder at all that he seeks inspiration at Chavez's tomb. The wonder is that rightwingers would demean this--call it crazy. Well, I guess it isn't a wonder. It's typical of the rightwing to sneer, to demean, to bully and to repeat agreed upon "talking points" (Chavez "the dictator," Maduro "the Lunatic" . But who they are really ridiculing is the poor, whom Chavez raised to the status of citizens, and who became real citizens also by their own efforts and put Chavez in office and kept him there (as the poor did here, with FDR) to change society for the better. Both Chavez and Maduro were poor men, Maduro even less privileged than Chavez (who gained an education and promotion through the military, as a paratrooper). Maduro was a bus driver and union organizer. He is "of the street," "of the poor," in ways that even Chavez wasn't. He has never been a member of any elite--until his organizing skills and great intelligence earned him a place in the Chavez government, where he performed extremely well in various posts, including Foreign Minister. He is also, obviously, a more publicly spiritual man than Chavez was, and is not afraid to speak of his efforts to meditate, to pray, to seek inspiration for his very difficult job of leading the Chavez government without Chavez (an extraordinarily charismatic personality). The poor would identify with this. The well-off have their riches and U.S. support to comfort them. The poor have only the relatively short experience of the Bolivarian revolution, a decade or so of power, of decent wages, of health care and educational opportunity, all of it imperiled by Chavez's death.
The right, of course--including rightwing DUers--have no sympathy with the poor. They serve the corpo-fascist elite. They ridicule the prayers and the hopes of the poor. They ignore their impressive accomplishments in Venezuela and other countries. They are propagandists out to defeat Latin America's leftist political revolution and dump on Maduro with the relish of street bullies kicking someone who's down.
Zorro
(15,724 posts)Right-wing Boligarch supporters think he's just ducky despite all the inanity.
Do exchange rate controls support the interests of the Venezuelan poor?
Socialistlemur
(770 posts)I saw the bird comment on YouTube and he sure sounded crazy. I've also noticed he misses his words (it's not like he's on dope, more like he makes up words as he goes). The little hats, the constant praises of Fidel Castro and now this sure make him lose popularity.
Chavez is dead, and poll results show Maduro is losing popularity, to the point that if elections were held right now and there was no ballot stuffing the opposition would win easily. In other words, right now the Chavistas are the minority. And the people realize they got the incompetent Maduro acting as president, and doing such a poor job, because Chavez handpicked him. So I think the idea that Venezuelans would want to sleep in Chavez's mausoleum or identify with the draculesque Maduro is really off the mark. I suspect the majority will think he's just crazy.
You know, maybe his cubans handlers are telling Maduro to wear the funny hats and say all this baloney to see if they can flush out Cabello. Godgiven must be starting to feel really impatient and may be ready to pull the plug on the whole thing.
The way the country is going, with inflation running 40 % and crime continuing, the government behaving like mad hatters, defaulting on bonds, and with food shortages, and now to top it off the PLC refinery on fire, something will give within the next 12 months.
Peace Patriot
(24,010 posts)...over and over and over and over and OVER AGAIN. 'Chavez the Dictator.' 'Maduro the Lunatic.' The rightwing 'memes' listed items like this about Chavez, too. This is going wrong. That is going wrong. Over and over and over and over and OVER AGAIN. It didn't mean dick. And it doesn't mean dick now. You are among the many boys who cried "Wolf!" too often.
"...something will give within the next 12 months."
You and your pals got something planned? Do tell!
Marksman_91
(2,035 posts)Bacchus4.0
(6,837 posts)Maduro is wierd, and the Venezuelan government is inept and corrupt to the core. The country can't continue this way.
Why don't you pick another leader in latin america to idolize? Dilma or Humala in Peru where poverty has decreased like 35% in just 6 years and has a good economy. Or if you prefer a more anti-US leader then you got Correa and Morales. Nobody in Latin America is following the Venezuelan model. They won't even exchange their money.
Socialistlemur
(770 posts)Or they'll try.
I don't see why you think it's normal for the president of a country to go sleep in a mausoleum. This isn't a "right wing meme", he said so himself, and I'm sure the overwhelming majority of readers will agree with me it's ghoulish and bizarre. I'm pretty sure the guy is goofy and can't do the job. He does as he's told. But evidently he puts in his own mumbo jumbo...or he's under instructions to act crazy to make Cabello uneasy. Evidently smart Chavistas realize Maduro is a real goofball and they'll eventually force him out themselves.
Why do I give the guy a year? They defaulted on bonds in July. So now their bonds are below junk and they can't borrow at a rational interest rate. They are now destroying the national health system using a harebrained price control scheme, inflation is 40 % and shortages will continue. And his few supporters are a clear minority. So do you think the Cuban dictatorship will win and colonize Venezuela, installing their new fascist style system? Time will tell. Meanwhile if you think those who think Maduro is a worthless man and a crazy figurehead are "right wing", you are in for a huge surprise.
Common Sense Party
(14,139 posts)It's a military museum. He didn't say he sleeps right next to Chavez's corpse or anything. But he says he comes there sometimes to reflect and he sleeps there:
And while you are right that he didn't say that the bird was Chavez, you have to admit that he was trying to leave the impression that the bird was a messenger of Chavez' spirit:
Socialistlemur
(770 posts)I got the sense he's either really goofy or just a figurehead goofball. I suspect he's the figure head and provides the comic relief. Arreaza, Chavez' son in law seems to do the everyday presidential duties. The foreign minister, Jaua, has a mental handicap. Rafael Ramirez, the oil minister, handles the black bag cash and is a fairly dumb fella. Giordani the planning minister doesn't know how to plan beyond money laundering schemes. The other characters are similar, they are incredibly inept and survive thanks to really solid help from Cuban agents embedded all over. In a sense, the Cubans seem to pull the strings and do most of the thinking. Except in the National Assembly where a corrupt fascist tough runs things, including opposition beatings and homophobic speeches by deranged Chavistas. It's a black comedy.