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Judi Lynn

(160,515 posts)
Fri Aug 30, 2013, 10:34 PM Aug 2013

US urged Haughey to take tough line with Nicaraguan president Ortega

US urged Haughey to take tough line with Nicaraguan president Ortega

US wanted Irish government to apply public pressure on Nicaraguan leader and to encourage other EU countries to do the same

Mon, Aug 12, 2013, 01:00
First published:Mon, Aug 12, 2013, 01:00

US secretary of state James Baker strongly urged taoiseach Charles Haughey in 1989 to adopt a tough line with Nicaraguan president Daniel Ortega over democratic standards.

Shortly before Ortega arrived in Dublin on an official visit, Baker phoned Haughey to tell him that the US government wanted the Irish government to apply public pressure on the Nicaraguan leader and also to encourage other EU countries to do the same.

Speaking notes for a phone conversation Baker held with Haughey in April 1989 have been obtained under US freedom of information legislation.

They notes show that Baker’s primary concern was to impress on Haughey the need to take a stiff line with Ortega, who was due to visit Ireland shortly afterwards.

More:
http://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/us-urged-haughey-to-take-tough-line-with-nicaraguan-president-ortega-1.1491008

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ehcross

(166 posts)
1. US urged Haughey to take tough line with Nicaraguan president Ortega
Fri Aug 30, 2013, 11:10 PM
Aug 2013

It is evident that whatever Haughey achieved by taking a tough line with Daniel Ortega was not worth mentioning. The individual has become a president-for-life, exactly what his predecesor, the dictator Anastasio Somoza was. Ortega continues to defy the country´s Constitution by ignoring the obligation to allow free elections, which, in any case, are manipulated to deny the truly democratic candidates the opportunity of being elected through a fair and supervised electoral process.

It is of interest to point out that through the Venezuela arrangement Nicaragua imports all of its petroleum
products. The de-facto president and his family have built an empire by controlling the distribution of oil and petroleum products, imposing their conditions, manipulating prices, and pocketing all profits with absolutlely no control from the government.

Peace Patriot

(24,010 posts)
3. ehcross (6 posts) blanket condemnation of Ortega smells of...
Sun Sep 1, 2013, 12:36 PM
Sep 2013

... 'talking points' that are being used to smear elected Leftist leaders and broad-based, successful Leftist movements in other countries in South and Central America, as a preliminary to attempted coup d'etats and other anti-democratic, pro-corporate/1%-er activities (looting and plundering).

Hugo Chavez was smeared in this way prior to the U.S.-supported 2002 coup d'etat attempt in Venezuela, and in subsequent fascist efforts to overthrow his very popular, ELECTED government. Mel Zelaya, ELECTED president of Honduras, was smeared in this way, prior to the successful U.S.-supported, fascist coup in 2009. Fernando Lugo, ELECTED president of Paraguay, was smeared in this way, prior to a similar and also successful fascist coup d'etat, recently, in Paraguay (very likely U.S.-supported). Rafael Correa, very popular, ELECTED president of Ecuador, has been smeared in this way, and has survived one coup d'etat attempt (also very likely U.S.-supported) and remains very popular.

This is what the CIA and their local fascist operatives do in Latin America. They can't win fair and square. They do smears and coup d'etats.

And it's interesting what one of the motives of the CIA may be, revealed by one of the coup generals in Honduras, during the overthrow of the Zelayan government and Honduran democracy. The general stated that their coup was intended to "prevent communism from Venezuela reaching the United States" (quoted in a report on the coup by the Zelaya government-in-exile). By "communism," this general meant universal free health care, universal free education through college, strong labor unions, good wages and benefits, high employment, government use of resources such as oil to help the poor, fair taxation, strong regulation of banks and other financial entities, and honest, transparent elections**--all achievements of the Chavez government and the people of Venezuela over the last decade.

These popular and DEMOCRATIC achievements are to be "prevented" from "reaching" the United States from Venezuela and points south, up through Central America--Nicaragua, Honduras, El Salvador (all with ELECTED Leftist governments until the 2009 coup in Honduras)--if they can manage to leap the hurdle of the disaster that is Guatemala (100,000 Mayan peasants slaughtered by Reagan's henchmen--perps still at large; poverty, political murder, political dysfunction still on-going), and make it past "neo-liberal" Mexico to the U.S. border.

Democracy!
"New Deal"-type government reform.
Curtailment of the banksters and the 1%ers.
Government "of, by and for" the People.
Resistance to corporate 'privatization'/ reverence for "the Commons."
Rejection of "neo-liberal" (Wall Street doctrine) ("the rich get richer; the poor get kicked off the island&quot .
Rejection of the corrupt, murderous, failed U.S. "war on drugs" (and its ulterior motives of the militarization and wreckage of Latin American civil society and expansion of Pentagon "forward operating locations" in Latin America).

This is what the Honduran coup generals feared in their own country--government "of, by and for" the People. They equate this with "communism." And they no doubt picked up the notion at a U.S. embassy cocktail party that they must sit astride the peninsula, bristling with U.S.-provided weapons and new Pentagon "forward operating locations," to "prevent" democracy "reaching the United States." NOT "communism." DEMOCRACY!

Ain't it odd that a Honduran coup general would want to protect us from "communism"?

Honduras is the traditional "stepping stool" for U.S. aggression in Central America, notably against Nicaragua. That is where Reagan's death squads mustered and took their R&R, prior to crossing the border and assassinating teachers and mayors and other good people in Nicaragua who supported the good revolution, led by Daniel Ortega, against the horrible, fascist, U.S.-backed Somoza dictatorship (which ruled Nicaragua with a bloody hand from 1936 to 1979).

Yes, that same Daniel Ortega, now the ELECTED president of Nicaragua, and ally of all the other Leftist democracy revolutions in Latin America.

Oh, yes, the fascists and their CIA and Pentagon backers hate Daniel Ortega. And, having succeeded in overthrowing democracy in Honduras, and having secured Honduras for U.S. corporate exploitation and Pentagon FOL's, they have their sights on Nicaragua, once again. It was even mentioned in the Diebold Congress' "Miami mafia" meeting in early 2010, before those s/elected assholes were even "seated." Top of their list: Nicaragua.

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**Indeed, former President Jimmy Carter recently said that Venezuela has "the best election system in the world."

 

ehcross

(166 posts)
5. Blanket condemnation of Ortega smells of THE TRUTH as related here.
Sun Sep 1, 2013, 04:50 PM
Sep 2013

"Elected" presidents in Nicaragua don´t exist. They are an extinct species. Presidents have been imposed either by revolution, or by stealing elections. Ever since the Sandinistas grabbed power in 1979 there has been only one freely elected president, only to be persistently boicotted by Sandinista-led insurrection. The present president Daniel Ortega has consistently stolen elections, by rejecting international supervisión and boicotting the electoral process, UNDER THE NOSE OF THE AMERICAN AMBASSADOR AND OTHER DIGNATARIES.

Daniel Ortega and his family are the new tycoons of the Nicaraguan private sector. They have created an economic empire by having grabbed full control of the imports of gasoline and derivatives which are supplied to them by Venezuela's Hugo Chavez at bargain prices, and continue to do so as of today. These operations are not subject to any kind of control by the government, are undoubtedly exempt of income tax, and work beyond any fiscal supervisión.

Educated Nicaraguans, particulaly those who attended U.S. universities and upon return established new businesses, and have essentially abstained from any political role, are witnesses to the the vulgar thirst of the Ortega empire, and have, to some extent, aquiesced to a political status of observers, while the nouveau
riche class struggles to emulate the Somoza story.







Judi Lynn

(160,515 posts)
6. "UNDER THE NOSE OF THE AMERICAN AMBASSADOR AND OTHER DIGNATARIES"?????
Sun Sep 1, 2013, 05:44 PM
Sep 2013

Under the noses of these US Americans? Is that right?

How dare Nicaraguans conduct Nicaraguan affairs of state without consulting the U,S, Ambassador about how to take every step, is that right?

The infamy of any person of any country daring to not put the interests of the U.S. American business community first is mind boggling.

Well, we'll just see about that, won't we? Maybe the U.S. will just have to commit an entire new set of international war crimes to put things right. The lives of many potentially disobendient Nicaraguan people, all those "leftists" will have to be brutally stolen from them, leaving their families and loved ones grieving, in pain, and sorrow for the rest of their lives. We'll need to torture their associates, and anyone who knew them, just to make sure all the possible leftists get the message and stay out of the way of the money-makers, won't we?

God save the the greediest, grabbiest, most thoughtless, the dirtiest, most treacherous, and pushiest among us, the grotesque right-wing.

Can't wait 'til the CIA mines the harbors again, and the world again proclaims more evil, internatiotnally criminal acts have been commited in pursuit of US domination of the Americas.

Bless your heart.

 

ehcross

(166 posts)
2. U.S. urged Haughey to take tough line with Nicaraguan President Daniel Ortega
Sat Aug 31, 2013, 11:15 PM
Aug 2013

I don't know what kind of tough measures, if at all, were taken with Nicaraguan President Daniel Ortega.
What I do know is that nothing has changed. He has kept stealing elections, he and his family grabbed control of the import and distribution of all petroleum products and derivatives, with absolutely no control o by the government. Ortega´s children and associates are rapidly accumulating capital, as can be assessed by their lavish style and ever-growing holdings.

It seems obvious that no follow-up has been made by interested parties, and this particular issue will continue to feed the scandalous track of this corrupt regime.

Peace Patriot

(24,010 posts)
4. I wish somebody would "adopt a tough line" with U.S. officials "over democratic standards" HERE!
Sun Sep 1, 2013, 01:48 PM
Sep 2013

Somebody who can get quoted by the corporate media. Not your everyday Joe or Jane Citizen. We don't count.

But then, these days, a former president of the United States, if his name is Jimmy Carter, can't even get quoted when he says that, "America does not have a functioning democracy at this point in time."

Yup, that's what he said. Former PRESIDENT of the country, whose life work out of office has been promotion of honest, transparent elections and human and civil rights throughout the world.

http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/constitution/item/16043-jimmy-carter-defends-snowden-says-u-s-has-no-functioning-democracy

But you won't find it on Faux News, nor on the alphabet soup of TV/radio corporate monopolies, nor from the Associated Pukes, nor the New York Slimes, nor from any of the "usual suspects" who get their "talking points" from the U.S. "military-industrial/fake democracy complex."

Granted it was at a closed-door meeting of a research and educational institute, but a) he has not denied it, and b) it was quoted in Der Spiegel and Huffington Post. And, granted, the context was the NSA's vast domestic spying operation (so we don't know how sweeping Carter's indictment of U.S. democracy is). But still, it is a HIGHLY NOTABLE accusation about LACK OF DEMOCRACY here at home, by one of our most famous political figures--former president, Nobel Peace Prize winner, passionate advocate of democracy.

WHERE is the reporting on this? WHERE are the questions (of Carter), the follow-up? WHY don't we know how sweeping an indictment he intended it to be? HOW come this is not being discussed in the "military-industrial/fake democracy complex" press? (Well, that's obvious.)

"America does not have a functioning democracy at this point in time." --Former President Jimmy Carter (circa July 2013)

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

As for Nicaragua, they're doing just fine. They have achieved a functioning democracy that was able to elect a leftist as president, after decades and decades of hideous, U.S.-supported fascist dictatorship, and bloody horrors inflicted by Reagan's henchmen. The Nicaraguans must have laughed their heads off, being lectured by the Irish on the CIA's notions of "democracy." It's pretty funny, when you think about it (if it weren't so bloody tragic, or maybe because it is--what can you do but laugh?)

Judi Lynn

(160,515 posts)
7. I love the way our cheap sell-out corporate media stenographers pursue the "news."
Sun Sep 1, 2013, 06:22 PM
Sep 2013

They've almost always ignored Jimmy Carter because he was a man who seemed more interested in putting peace first than the others. He also did his job, didn't try to horse around with them, entertain them, curry their favor, but tried as well as possible to do his job to the best of his ability. What fun is that?

The very idea someone hopes to get things started up again with Nicaragua is despicable. The world hasn't begun to heal from what the hell the US did to it the last time under the evil auspices of the right-wing King of the U.S. who had so many genuinely stupid people fooled, and other evil people purring with contentment.

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