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Judi Lynn

(160,598 posts)
Sat Sep 21, 2013, 04:34 PM Sep 2013

You Probably Didn’t Hear that Venezuela Was Again Ranked the Happiest Country in South America

You Probably Didn’t Hear that Venezuela Was Again Ranked the Happiest Country in South America

Written by Dan Beeton
Tuesday, 17 September 2013 15:50

The U.N. Sustainable Development Solutions Network released its World Happiness Report for 2013 last week. Following up on the first such report, released last year, the U.N. says that the 2013 edition


delves in more detail into the analysis of the global happiness data, examining trends over time and breaking down each country’s score into its component parts, so that citizens and policy makers can understand their country’s ranking. It also draws connections to other major initiatives to measure well-being, including those conducted by the OECD and UNDP’s Human Development Report…

The World Happiness Report, as with similar such studies as the Happy Planet Index is in part a response to perceived shortcomings with traditional economic and social measures such as growth, poverty rates, employment, education, life expectancy and other indicators.

While U.S. media coverage of the report was not overwhelming, there was some. The report was also covered in numerous international outlets in countries throughout Europe, in Asia, Africa and Australia and New Zealand, among others. CNN noted that

“On a regional basis, by far the largest gains in life evaluations in terms of the prevalence and size of the increases have been in Latin America and the Caribbean, and in Sub-Saharan Africa", the report said. Reduced levels of corruption also contributed to the rise.

But CNN neglected to mention that Venezuela ranked first – again – among South American nations as happiest.

More:
http://www.cepr.net/index.php/blogs/the-americas-blog/you-probably-didnt-hear-that-venezuela-was-again-ranked-the-happiest-country-in-south-America

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You Probably Didn’t Hear that Venezuela Was Again Ranked the Happiest Country in South America (Original Post) Judi Lynn Sep 2013 OP
We should nationalize our oil. grahamhgreen Sep 2013 #1
Absolutely! It's the only right way to handle such important needs in our lives. n/t Judi Lynn Sep 2013 #8
What a shock when an article like this makes it past the corporate censors! Judi Lynn Sep 2013 #2
Thank you! djean111 Sep 2013 #3
On what planet would it ever be allowed for armed men to stomp around campaigns Judi Lynn Sep 2013 #9
That's a function of the extent to which Hugo helped the poor. dipsydoodle Sep 2013 #4
The right-wing controlled media fought him like people possessed every day of his presidency. Judi Lynn Sep 2013 #10
YES! I did!!!! bvar22 Sep 2013 #5
Elegant and truthful words. Thank you, so much. n/t Judi Lynn Sep 2013 #11
Venezuela Was Again Ranked the Happiest Country in South America!! ehcross Sep 2013 #28
Venezuela (ranked again as happiest in South America) is sadly ceasing to exist as a nation. ehcross Sep 2013 #6
Delightful, formed post. We have heard the same news from various sources Judi Lynn Sep 2013 #7
Or maybe he just read something from one of the most pro-Chavista sites on the web? Marksman_91 Sep 2013 #12
Bookmarked (ahem)! Thanks for posting. Peace Patriot Sep 2013 #13
Maybe they haven't discovered they are right-wingers, yet! Judi Lynn Sep 2013 #14
I don't get it, what's sustainable about depending on heavy oil? Socialistlemur Sep 2013 #15
Well, they could give the oil profits to the fatcats and Exxon Mobil, to "trickle down" benefits.. Peace Patriot Sep 2013 #16
There will be a time when oil demand is not high enough Marksman_91 Sep 2013 #19
Perhaps you'd be good enough to inform DU'ers about the industry and thriving agriculture Judi Lynn Sep 2013 #21
That's all very nice but Venezuela is indeed living off heavy oil Socialistlemur Sep 2013 #23
They seem to give the oil profits to Chevron and the Chinese, I suppose Socialistlemur Sep 2013 #22
CNN MinM Sep 2013 #17
Venezuela isn't first though and is behind the US n/t Bacchus4.0 Sep 2013 #18
The title clearly explains "Venezuela Was Again Ranked the Happiest Country in South America." Judi Lynn Sep 2013 #20
The pre-Chavez rich oil elite that socialistlemur speaks for gave 90% of the oil profits to... Peace Patriot Sep 2013 #24
You score high points throughout your post. The last point being superb, Judi Lynn Sep 2013 #25
of COURSE murdering, coup-backing, fire-starting oligarchs are going to lie! MisterP Sep 2013 #26
Outstanding!!! bvar22 Sep 2013 #30
It's the same story all over the continent ehcross Sep 2013 #32
Huh? Cuba "the jewel of Latin America"--under the horrible Batista regime? Peace Patriot Sep 2013 #35
Cuba's great sense of community has produced a country which responds so well Judi Lynn Sep 2013 #36
So why are they gradually becoming more capitalist then? Marksman_91 Sep 2013 #37
Learn more about "exiles"? Many people feel they knew enough long, long ago, Judi Lynn Sep 2013 #38
Once again you're generalizing Marksman_91 Sep 2013 #39
Even Bloomberg had to admit UN findings Venezuela has the highest Judi Lynn Sep 2013 #33
Nevertheless Venezuela isn't sustainable Socialistlemur Sep 2013 #34
Happy Venezuela? ehcross Sep 2013 #27
They're not going to care about what the exiles or anyone who moved out of the country has to say Marksman_91 Sep 2013 #29
Leftists are always ready to defend the undefendable ehcross Sep 2013 #31

Judi Lynn

(160,598 posts)
2. What a shock when an article like this makes it past the corporate censors!
Sat Sep 21, 2013, 04:48 PM
Sep 2013

From the ending of the article:

Overall, mostly Northern European countries ranked happiest in the new World Happiness Report: Denmark ranked first, followed in order by Norway, Switzerland, the Netherlands and Sweden.

Why has there been so little attention to the report – and to Venezuela’s ranking in it, among the U.S. outlets that did cover it? Could it be that the gains in Venezuela over the past decade challenge the conventional wisdom routinely reported in the press that Venezuela is a mess in terms of its economic, politics and security, and which typically presents Venezuelans as unhappy? As the Huffington Post notes:

The report -- which analyzed 156 countries -- is intended to be used as a means of improving policy making worldwide by highlighting how people around the world measure their well-being. The findings were based off national statistics and several surveys, including the Gallup World Poll, to assess a population’s emotional happiness and overall satisfaction with life. [Emphasis added.]

It is perhaps not surprising that media outlets that regularly try to convince their audiences that the social democratic policies being pursued in countries in Scandinavia, South America and elsewhere are a failure don’t want to report the contentment of citizens living in these countries.

We've seen this in previous years, and Peace Patriot has discussed this forbidden topic many times, as well. It's something the fascists just can't drown. We're glad and unsurprised to see it, yet again!

Rave on, right-wingers. You never need to introduce yourselves. Your behavior speaks for you.
 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
3. Thank you!
Sat Sep 21, 2013, 04:51 PM
Sep 2013

And you are right, all we usually see are articles about Venezuelan crime or whatever. Weird. Especially since the United States has become so violent.

Judi Lynn

(160,598 posts)
9. On what planet would it ever be allowed for armed men to stomp around campaigns
Sat Sep 21, 2013, 10:27 PM
Sep 2013

of politicians running for the opposition, trying to intimidate potential voters?

It's like a vision of hell. These wingers are monsters, and they've seized control.

One day it's going to suddenly slip away from them, we can always hope. They are worthless as people.

Judi Lynn

(160,598 posts)
10. The right-wing controlled media fought him like people possessed every day of his presidency.
Sat Sep 21, 2013, 10:32 PM
Sep 2013

How can they even stand to look at their degenerate faces in the mirror?

They probably just stay drunk to avoid being able to accidently seeing their own faces by accident.

We all really know what amazing progress that man made, with his inspired administration, but the true criminals among us spend all their time trying to bury the truth deeper and deeper. Dirtbags!

We only have to look at our own countries to know what motivates the scums who worm their way into control when the people have no input.

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
5. YES! I did!!!!
Sat Sep 21, 2013, 05:36 PM
Sep 2013

But it is worth repeating;

[font size=4]Venezuela Was Again Ranked the Happiest Country in South America!![/font]

Lets review what Chavez did:

President Hugo Chavez diverted some of the profit from the Global Oil Extraction Corporations to:

*Help the Poor

*Heal the Sick

*Educate the Ignorant

*House the Homeless

*Feed the Hungry

*Empower the Disenfranchized

He made the 1% pay their fair share in Venezuela,
and use Venezuelan Natural Resources to help Venezuelans.

I understand why so many here HATE him.

When the US Working Class & Poor realize WE have more in common with each other
than we have in common with the 1%Elite & their Mouth Pieces in Washington,
then WE can have "change" too!

VIVA Democracy!!
I pray we get some here soon!

 

ehcross

(166 posts)
28. Venezuela Was Again Ranked the Happiest Country in South America!!
Wed Sep 25, 2013, 10:08 PM
Sep 2013

My first reaction to this post is very simple: The economic situation in Venezuela has never been worse than it is today. Therefore,
no serious Venezuelan can claim that his country is the happiest in South America.

If you want to ascertain the above statement, there are many sources you can consult.

Venezuela is watching its population slowly starting to flee their country. People are establishing in nearby countries, notoriously Panama.



 

ehcross

(166 posts)
6. Venezuela (ranked again as happiest in South America) is sadly ceasing to exist as a nation.
Sat Sep 21, 2013, 10:04 PM
Sep 2013

"Venezuela ranked first – again – among South American nations as happiest." Are you kidding me?

I wonder where CNN is getting their data on Venezuela. I am not Venezuelan but I read the newspapers and internet information, and what comes out of Venezuela is hard to believe. Certainly the government will do their best to hide from foreigners the absolutely chaotic situation in that country. But the truth is there for all to see, unless you are given a tour by the government.

It is hard to beleive that there are much too frequent electric power cuts that the government blames on "terrorists." and thus does nothing about them, or fixes them for a price, only for them to happen again.

Oil refineries frequently go up in flames for lack of maintenance. Venezuela sits on an ocean of petroleum, yet there are long lines at gas stations because gasoline is scarce.

Food is also scarce, though not as much for the well-being.

The present president, Nicolás Maduro, is, or aims at being a Hugo Chávez´s successor. Though modest on education (he was a local bus driver in Caracas) he does his best to appear as a leader, emulating Hugo Chavez´s rough personality and asigning himself a degree of intelligence he clearly doesn´t have.

Judi Lynn

(160,598 posts)
7. Delightful, formed post. We have heard the same news from various sources
Sat Sep 21, 2013, 10:23 PM
Sep 2013

in previous years, and always posted them when we saw them.

It has been the invariable case, reporting the results of polls across the country year after year, and we've always discussed it here among the DEMOCRATS any time any of us DEMOCRATS saw it. Various sources over the years.

I'm certain you might enjoy a message board among the readers of the Miami Herald, or El Heraldo Nuevo, or El Universal in Caracas, etc. There are a few right-wingers who have attached themselves to this message board for DEMOCRATS who undoubtedly post there, too, unless their employers won't let them, considering it a waste of time to preach to the choir.

 

Marksman_91

(2,035 posts)
12. Or maybe he just read something from one of the most pro-Chavista sites on the web?
Sat Sep 21, 2013, 11:56 PM
Sep 2013
http://www.aporrea.org/actualidad/a173766.html


La cosa está fea
Por: Rubén Marcano | Jueves, 19/09/2013 02:38 AM | Versión para imprimir

El dólar negro está llegando a 50 bolívares, y querámoslo o no, la economía se rige inexorablemente por esa referencia.

El pasado sábado me asomé al Bicentanario de Plaza Venezuela, el más grande del país, y las colas para ingresar llegaban al Estadio Universitario. Esto supone unos dos kilómetros de filas, sólo para ingresar.

Luego me di una vuelta por los boletos aéreos porque tenía ganas de planificar un viaje a uno de los países de Mercosur, y lo que meses atrás costaba 4 o 5 mil bolívares; ahora valen 15 y hasta 17 mil, imagínense. ¿Cómo viaja un profesional clase media con un salario de 6 ó 7 mil mensuales?

Un reporte de El Universal, da cuenta que los apartamentos en la otrora famosa parroquia modelo de Caracas, La Candelaria, los apartamentos viejos pasan de 5 millones y el banco presta como tope 950 mil bolívares, ni ahorrando se llega a ese precio.

Más tarde, caminé por el centro de Caracas, a echar un ojo a las tiendas de zapatos. Había uno que estuve reuniendo dos meses para comprarlos, y ¡oh sorpresa!, había duplicado su precio, en menos de 60 días.

Luego leí que China traerá vehículos porque los convenios internos no funcionaron por el control cambiario. De manera que los ensamblarán en plantas asiáticas, y exportarán al país, a precio de 400 millones, imagínense.

Mientras la oposición soltó por redes sociales y medios de información, que el gobierno se acercaba al FMI a buscar “dinero fresco” para afrontar la deuda de $4.500 en bonos que vencen en octubre. Sin embargo, fue desmentido, pero enseguida el Presidente anunció que viajaría a China, y dijeron que fue a buscar el dinero allá. ¿No lo sé?, pero crea suspicacias.

Luego me senté a ver la televisión y hablan de un tal “Mocho” Edwin, el nuevo Pran de Sabaneta, luego de echarse al pico a más de 15 reclusos, bebiendo su sangre y cortando sus extremidades. Finalmente, la ministra viajaría al estado, luego que el “Mocho” limpió el camino, e hizo “el trabajo”.

Este lunes, leí un reportaje de un medio de provincia, que daba por sentado la entrega de Rafael Isea a la DEA, como testigo protegido. El exgobernador aragüeño, prenderá el ventilador próximamente, al igual que lo hicieron otros en el pasado. Nada bueno para el gobierno que solicita una Habilitante para la lucha contra la corrupción.

En la Libertador, le entraron a plomo a un motorizado y lo dejaron en plena vía en un charco de sangre…

¿Qué les puedo decir? No me gusta para nada lo que estoy viviendo y viendo desde hace meses en el país, y no parece haber una reacción, sobre todo a nivel económico y alimenticio.

Rubén Marcano, periodista


Translation:

Things Don't Look Good
By: Rubén Marcano | Thursday, 19/09/2013 02:38 AM

The black market dollar is reaching 50 bolívares, and whether we like it or not, the economy is inexorably influenced by this reference.

Last Saturday I took a good look at the Bicentanario (the government-run supermarket chain) in Plaza Venezuela, the largest one in the country, and the lines just to get in went all the way to the University Stadium. This is approximately around 2 kilometers, to be more specific.

Then I went around to see if I could find plane tickets since I'm planning on traveling to one of the countries of Mercosur, and what cost a few months back 4 or 5 thousand bolivars now cost 15 to 17 thousand. How does a middle-class professional travel winning only 6 to 7 thousand per month?

A report from El Universal noted that the apartments in the old famous model parish of Caracas, La Candelaria, the old residencies pass the 5 million bolivars, and banks can lend at most only 950 thousand, not even saving up could one reach those prices.

Later, as I walked through the center of Caracas, to take a look at some shoe stores, there was a pair for which I was saving up for almost 2 months to purchase, and lo and behold, its price had doubled in less than 60 days.

Then I heard that China would be bringing in vehicles because internal agreements did not work out well due to the exchange controls. So now the vehicles will be assembled in Asian plants, and they will be exported to the country, at a price of 400 million per unit. How about that?

While the opposition released through social media information claiming that the government was asking for the IMF to borrow some "fresh money" to counteract the debt of $4.5 billion in bonuses which expire on October. However, this claim was refuted, but immediately after, the President announced that he would traveling to China soon, and supposedly to borrow the money over there instead. I don't know if this is true, but it does raise suspicions.

Then I sat to watch some TV and they were talking about some "Mocho" Edwin, the new Pran (prison gang leader) in Sabaneta, after killing off more than 15 inmates, drinking their blood, and hacking off their limbs. Finally, the Ministress said she would travel to that state, after el "Mocho" had cleaned the way, and had done "the job".

This Monday, I read a report from a provincial source, which stated that Rafael Isea had turned himself to the DEA as a witness under protective custody. The ex-governor of Aragua state will be starting up the fan soon, just like others have done in the past. Nothing that bodes well for a government which is asking for special powers for the fight against corruption.

In the Libertador district, they shot up a motorizado and left him in plain view in the middle of the street in a puddle of blood.

What can I say? I don't like at all what I am living and seeing what is happening in the country for the last few months, and there seems to be NO reaction whatsoever, especially at a level that concerns the economy or food supply.

Rubén Marcano, periodista


So... who is to believe them? A UN report which basically uses data provided only by each country's own government? Or a chavista journalist who has lived and continues to live his whole life in Caracas and is exposed to the city's going-ons every day writing in a pro-Chavista site saying that things are not looking good at all in the country?

One more thing I'd like to add: "El Potro" Álvarez's wedding with Miss Venezuela International 2007, Dayana Colmenares







Damn, for a Chavista candidate for the Sucre municipality of Caracas who claims himself to be a true revolutionary and a true socialist (even so far as saying that any of the government-run universities in Venezuela are better than Harvard), his wedding sure looks like one that an "oligarch" would have

Judi Lynn

(160,598 posts)
14. Maybe they haven't discovered they are right-wingers, yet!
Sun Sep 22, 2013, 08:38 AM
Sep 2013

Are they ever in for a surprise when they figure out something we all knew the moment they arrived and opened their cyber-pie holes.

They'll probably be so embarrassed realizing they're in the wrong place they'll get the heck outta here, A.S.A.P.

Socialistlemur

(770 posts)
15. I don't get it, what's sustainable about depending on heavy oil?
Sun Sep 22, 2013, 06:22 PM
Sep 2013

The Venezuelans may be the happiest people on earth, but I don't see what's sustainable about a country living almost exclusively off oil exports, with a future producing more heavy oil similar to Canadian bitumen, and going heavily into debt more and more while subsidizing gasoline and diesel use, and running 40+ % inflation. I guess they don't realize their "happiness" is measured in such an unsustainable fashion, and that environmental groups are gearing for a major effort to stop global warming...I suppose when they figure out their bitumen won't sell and they are in debt up to their ears they are going to be unhappy Venezuelans.

So, I went and read the report, and found it uses 2010 to 2012 data...in Venezuela's case things were a bit weird because as Chavez was dying with cancer and faced elections the government put the economy on steroids. They borrowed money abroad in huge chunks, issued a lot of currency, ad clamped on price controls while refusing to devalue the currency. This created a pressure cooker condition which exploded early this year with huge inflation and scarcity. So the government bought the happiness in an unsustainable fashion. It shows that index needs tweaking.

Peace Patriot

(24,010 posts)
16. Well, they could give the oil profits to the fatcats and Exxon Mobil, to "trickle down" benefits..
Mon Sep 23, 2013, 12:11 PM
Sep 2013

...to the poor majority, I guess.

HA!!!

The "Mad Tea Party" environmental program!

 

Marksman_91

(2,035 posts)
19. There will be a time when oil demand is not high enough
Mon Sep 23, 2013, 03:42 PM
Sep 2013

An economy dependent solely on one product is bound for disaster at some point, and considering how poorly the government is running the enterprise which takes care of extracting and assembling that oil, there's not even gonna be enough production of it to maintain Venezuela's economy stable.

Judi Lynn

(160,598 posts)
21. Perhaps you'd be good enough to inform DU'ers about the industry and thriving agriculture
Mon Sep 23, 2013, 04:38 PM
Sep 2013

which abounded in Venezuela prior to the people's election of Hugo Chavez.

It appears some well established authors believe that Venezuela has been an oil producer from a VERY long time ago, and has relied upon imported products for ages, which was completely well within the reach, economically, of the oligarchs, and well outside the reach of the massive poor population, which was just fine with those who were doing just fine, the ones who actually made all the laws and wanted to keep it that way.

Greed, murderous treachery, racism, and uselessness abound, directly from the parasitic oligarchs who live off the productiveness, energy expended, life investment, and good will of the people themselves.

Socialistlemur

(770 posts)
23. That's all very nice but Venezuela is indeed living off heavy oil
Tue Sep 24, 2013, 03:08 PM
Sep 2013

The truth is the truth...Venezuela is increasingly producing and exporting one of the foulest, most sulfur and carbon laden oil products. The oil they produce from the Orinoco Oil belt is just like the Alberta bitumen. It has to be blended for export, and the blend is really bad stuff.

Furthermore, Chavez' policies destroyed national industry and agriculture so nowadays they import much more than before. They have a funny problem because so much money is being stolen by government officials they lack dollars to pay their debt and imports. This is why Maduro went to China.

So as far as I can see Venezuela is a paper tiger, heavily in debt, a lousy government, and producing junk pretty soon nobody will want to buy because its really bad for global warming.

Socialistlemur

(770 posts)
22. They seem to give the oil profits to Chevron and the Chinese, I suppose
Tue Sep 24, 2013, 02:59 PM
Sep 2013

I guess you are not aware multinationals are in Venezuela. Exxon left because they didn't like the terms but they have a monster claim against Venezuela at ICSID ...and the claim is going well for them.

But my comment stands...it seems to me a sustainable country wouldn't be living off heavy oil while incurring a huge debt. Especially now that Mary Robinson said the oil reserves need to stay underground to stop global warming. I think mr Maduro must be worried about Mrs Robinson.

Judi Lynn

(160,598 posts)
20. The title clearly explains "Venezuela Was Again Ranked the Happiest Country in South America."
Mon Sep 23, 2013, 04:29 PM
Sep 2013

It's not appropriate to imagine the U.S. is part of South America, no matter how hard it attempts to control it.

Peace Patriot

(24,010 posts)
24. The pre-Chavez rich oil elite that socialistlemur speaks for gave 90% of the oil profits to...
Wed Sep 25, 2013, 04:13 PM
Sep 2013

...Exxon Mobil & brethren, scraped some off the top for themselves and utterly neglected Venezuela's poor majority and the needs of the country. What Chavez did was to re-negotiate the oil contracts with multinationals to give Venezuelans a much better deal (generally 50%-50%, as opposed to 10%-90%), with these newly negotiated oil profits committed to education, health care, pensions for the elderly, land reform and other social benefits and essential development.

The malfeasance of the pre-Chavez oiligarchy was truly extraordinary. It included neglecting Venezuela's agricultural base to such a degree that Venezuela's national food security was destroyed. They lived off the oil. They bought Gucci bags and caviar off the oil. They imported everything and created an artificial urban culture, while tens of thousands of hectares of agricultural land were allowed to lie fallow--often owned by absentee fatcats--and millions of peasant farmers were driven into urban squalor. This is the "neo-liberal"--i.e., "free trade for the rich"--program that was imposed on the Venezuelan people by the rich elite and their multinational oil allies, and that the people of Venezuela rejected, in the historic political revolution that brought Chavez to power.

Food security cannot be restored in a decade. It will take half a century to restore it, because of the inevitable lag times for recovering agricultural productivity (land must be restored, people newly trained, infrastructure and markets developed). But the Chavez government created one of the better designed land reform programs in the world, using non-coercive methods to re-acquire productive land and to entice people "back to the farm."

It is NOT the chavistas fault that Venezuela depends on oil revenues and has to import a lot of food. They are using the oil revenues IN THE BEST POSSIBLE WAY to develop the country.

Exxon Mobil walked out of the oil talks with the Chavez government. They want ALL the profits, NO profit-sharing, NO oil money for education and other local needs. And they have since been trying to seize Venezuela's cash reserves--the money that the Chavez/Maduro government has used, first of all, to cushion Venezuelans against the Bush Junta's worldwide depression, and, secondly, to create a truly free and open market for Venezuela's vast oil reserves (twice Saudi Arabia's, according to the USGS)--a market that is NOT monopolized by U.S. corporate rulers and their war machine. The Chavez/Maduro government has also used the oil to help poorer countries--giving big breaks on oil costs, for instance, to Haiti and to pre-coup Honduras (and to poor people here in the U.S., on heating oil)--and, for instance, to Cuba in exchange for doctors and other medical professionals from Cuba's highly regarded medical institutions. The chavistas STARTED this historic movement in Latin America of strong political alliance, mutual aid, the rich helping the poor, and having each other's backs, that has so troubled U.S. multinationals and their war machine. It is one of the main reasons that the U.S. rich elite HATES Venezuela with a venom. How dare the poor band together against exploitation and ruin?!

What we are getting from socialistlemur is PROPAGANDA--"Big Lie" propaganda--lie after lie after lie, hammered into our heads from Venezuela's ousted oil elite and their multinational allies (and, of course, the CIA)--that "something is wrong" with the poor benefiting from the oil, that it is not "environmental," that it is "not sustainable," that it is all being "mismanaged," blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

Could there be a MORE mismanaged oil industry than the one HERE--or spawned from here--that hijacked the U.S. military into its service, in Iraq, and slaughtered a hundred thousand innocent people, in the first weeks of "shock and awe" bombing alone, to steal their oil? Could these gougers and price-fixers and mass murderers, spawned from our shores, be any more evil, to others and to us here at home, whose young people were dragged off to an oil war--many dead, many left without limbs, many suicidal?

The chavistas have the right idea! Use the oil profits to educate people, to eliminate poverty (Venezuela is now "THE most equal country in Latin America," according to the UN Economic Commission on Latin America and the Caribbean), to build thousands of homes for the poor and for flood victims, to reconstruct a flood-destroyed town, to build a funicular up into the hillside barrios of Caracas (to include those folks in the larger society, who don't want to abandon their long-standing, shantytown communities; to ease the lot of the poor in those areas, with transportation), to build the new Orinoco Bridge to Brazil, to train new farmers and support them as they try to recover farm land and make farming viable again in Venezuela, to provide computers for every school child, to support and greatly expand the awesome Venezuelan Children's Orchestra program (most revolutionary classical music program in the world), to extend health care to communities that have NEVER had health care before, to nationalize vital industries so that they cannot be sabotaged by the fascists and their allies, to create a new, professional police academy, to put the Venezuelan military (equivalent to our National Guard) on the streets to reduce crime, and other "common good" policies.

What is the WRONG IDEA is to give all the oil money to Exxon Mobil--THE richest corporation on earth--and to put the selfish, greedy, mind-bogglingly malfeasant oil elite back in charge. It is utterly laughable to suggest that that would result in "green" policies, and that that would result in a "sustainable" economy.

Venezuela has huge oil reserves. WHAT ELSE SHOULD THEY BE USED FOR but to educate the poor majority, provide health care for all, and to try to UNDISTORT Venezuela's economy with long term projects and goals?!

Venezuela's oil elite got quite vicious in the latter days of "free trade for the rich" and slaughtered hundreds of poor protestors, just prior to the first Chavez election. They remained vicious throughout Chavez's tenure--including their failed coup d'etat in 2002--and are still vicious, today. They will do anything to regain control of Venezuela's oil and re-start their malfeasance, their neglect, their selfishness, which so well serves entities like Exxon Mobil.

Green? Sustainable? What utter nonsense! But that is characteristic of "Big Lie" propaganda. It is NONSENSE repeated so often that people come to believe it.

If Venezuela is ever going to get beyond an oil economy, this is only going to happen by using the oil profits NOW to educate and uplift people, while they have the chance. That is the environmentally unsound reality of Exxon Mobil's world. Venezuelans don't have the option of "keeping it in the ground." So, WHO should benefit from it? The Chavez/Maduro government has answered that question resoundingly in favor of the poor majority and the country of Venezuela as a whole.

Understand that the vicious lies of Venezuela's oil elite pervade the corporate media, which has NEVER reported the SUCCESSES of the Chavez/Maduro government, which include not only remarkable poverty reduction, remarkable fair and transparent elections, and remarkable social/political inclusiveness, but ALSO remarkable economic growth in the PRIVATE sector (not including oil)!

Venezuela had a very long way to go, to recover from the oil elite's malfeasance, greed and irresponsibility--their lack of care for their country, their lack of investment in their country and their obliviousness to widespread poverty and its heavy, long term toll on the Venezuelan people--and Venezuela still has problems, as any country does that has undergone extensive looting by multinational corporations and local rich elites, and, indeed, as any country does that has people in it--for people are never perfect. But Venezuela is on the right path, put their by its own people and their political activism and vision, and their luck at producing leaders who share their social conscience and goals.

The corporate media--and their echoing 'apologists' here at DU--grossly exaggerate and over-report anything that goes wrong in Venezuela, and utterly ignore and suppress anything that goes right. Their goal--the goal of the corporate media, and the transglobal corporate and local elites--is to smash this "New Deal"-like experiment into dust and restore Exxon Mobil rule.

Their goal is not a better Venezuela.
Their goal is not a "green" Venezuela.
Their goal not an economically sustainable Venezuela.
Their goal is to UNDO all the gains of the poor majority--in education, health care, wages/benefits, honest elections, et al--and regain control of one of the biggest oil reserves on earth.

Remember that when you read, over and over and over again, in the corporate media, and here at DU by some posters, the one-note "Big Lies" about Venezuela falling apart. They WANT Venezuela to fall apart. They are allied with evil-doers who are trying to MAKE Venezuela fall apart, just as Nixon and Kissinger did to Chile in the anti-Allende coup, with the goal of "making" Chile's economy "scream" so they could more easily overthrow its popular government. There are banksters, corporations, Pentagon and CIA dirty tricksters, massive forces of ungodly wealth and local cabals targeting Venezuela's socialist government. And, as in Chile, propaganda "news"--"Big Lie" news--is part of the war.

Judi Lynn

(160,598 posts)
25. You score high points throughout your post. The last point being superb,
Wed Sep 25, 2013, 04:56 PM
Sep 2013

at your end, the obsessive propaganda raging against the new Venezuelan presidents is definitely part of the war which remains unchanged after all this time, and the new terms, like "drug traffickers" and "terrorists" are implemented because they know using "commies" sounds profoundly stupid after all this time.

Green! That IS a hot one. What a phenomenal stretch. Wow.

I appreciated reading your comments, they couldn't be more helpful. Thank you.

MisterP

(23,730 posts)
26. of COURSE murdering, coup-backing, fire-starting oligarchs are going to lie!
Wed Sep 25, 2013, 05:24 PM
Sep 2013

it's the same shitheads who said that "the Sandinistas murdered 50,000 and the Contras only caused military deaths" or "¡Zelaya dic-TA-dor!"

they're gruesome parodies of the middle class that they pretend to represent--in Honduras they wanted the coup for its own sake: being anti-Zelaya was just an afterthought to some!

 

ehcross

(166 posts)
32. It's the same story all over the continent
Thu Sep 26, 2013, 01:24 PM
Sep 2013

Leftist leaders throughout Latin America spend lots of time and effort to show the world the successes of their systems. Of course, they mean only the successes, but omit the many and painful failures that have brought chaos and destruction to their populations.

The Cuba experience is by far the best example, and also the greatest failure in the history of mankind. In 1959, Cubans lost everything their country had, being the jewel of Latin America, and were doomed to live in poverty for the rest of their lives.

Now Venezuela has degraded its standards dramatically and there are no real signs of sustained change despite the call of the Chavista gangs that want to ignore the reality of their now impoverished land.

Peace Patriot

(24,010 posts)
35. Huh? Cuba "the jewel of Latin America"--under the horrible Batista regime?
Fri Sep 27, 2013, 05:03 AM
Sep 2013

What a screwed up perspective you have!

And now, Cuba is "the greatest failure in the history of mankind"?

Good grief! How about Iraq? How about Afghanistan? How about Syria? How about Colombia? How about Honduras?

Your perspective is beyond distorted--it is unreal.

Cubans now have universal free health care, in one of the most highly praised medical systems in the world. They have universal free education through college and graduate school. And what they DON'T have is the sheer ugliness of Miama development, not to mention its mafia politics and crime. The Batista gang despoiled Miami, as they would have done to Cuba if they had not been booted out by the people of Cuba. Cuba IS the "jewel of Latin America," now, BECAUSE the greedbags and the fascists were evicted. It has the most beautiful unspoiled beaches in the world!

Cuba now has a lot of advantages over our despoiled country, and their adherence to basic human rights--food, medical care, education, economic fairness--has made them influential throughout Latin America and the world. The U.S. has become a pariah, with its constant wars, bullying and economic exploitation, and it has become a disgrace in many ways--the highest imprisonment rate in the world, for instance, with our completely uncivilized executions--while little Cuba is respected and admired. The U.S. exports guns and crap food. Cuba exports doctors and literacy programs.

"The greatest failure in the history of mankind"? The tragic truth is that U.S. democracy is "the greatest failure in the history of mankind."

Billionaires stuffing their pockets with more money, while our people fall into poverty, and lose their homes, because of no jobs? That is not success. That is failure. Big, bullying war machine? That is not success. That is failure. Cuts in public services, deteriorating school systems, bankrupt towns, while the banksters clean up on our tax money and our multi-million dollar senators play tiddlywinks. Gawd. We are in so much trouble, and our demoralized people don't have a tenth of spirit of Cubans in Cuba, who know how to band together in difficult times. We make not like their political system but they sure have gotten a lot of things right, while our behemoth country eats itself alive and our people flounder around helplessly, and can't even get controls on ammunition clips that mow down our kindergartners at six bullets per second! And every several weeks, another American goes bonkers and starts shooting dozens of innocent people at random, leaving trails of blood across our land.

Money does not equal success. Mansions and fancy cars do not equal success. Success, in a country, is about COMMUNITY. And on that kind of success--real success--Cuba seems to have it all over us.

As for Venezuela: The UN Economic Commission on Latin America and the Caribbean disagrees with you. They designated Venezuela "THE most equal country in Latin America." How is that for "sustained change"? The Millennium Project disagrees with you. Venezuela has met ALL of its Millennium goals--education, literacy, health care, poverty reduction and other indicators, all achieved ahead of schedule. The Carter Center disagrees with you. Jimmy Carter recently said that Venezuela has "the best election system in the world." That was an achievement of the Venezuelan people and the Chavez/Maduro government, which invited the Carter Center and all the other reputable election monitoring groups to help Venezuela set up an honest, transparent election system. The people of Venezuela disagree with you, and they would know--they have not only voted for the Chavez/Maduro government, time and again, they recently voted to throw out all but four governors in favor of chavista governors of the individual states. They have also indicated their own sense of well-being and future prospects in the Gallup Well-being poll, rating their own country FIFTH IN THE WORLD on those criteria. And they now have topped the "Happiness" poll in Latin America.

Your comments are uninformed and your perspective is so far right it falls down the "rabbit hole" and joins the Mad Tea Party.

Judi Lynn

(160,598 posts)
36. Cuba's great sense of community has produced a country which responds so well
Fri Sep 27, 2013, 06:25 AM
Sep 2013

to emergencies (don't forget their foiling the Bay of Pigs invasion!) that they have even found a system of working together during hurricanes that allows them to get everyone to higher ground, including their housepets, and their farm animals, all moving up and out of the reach of waves. and flooding.

I think only people who care about each other could accomplish that! Just think how it would work if they went the way of US right-wingers, and it became "every man for himself" or "save only the well-connected!"

It can't be done without people who care about other people, too. As in community. As in "Christian."

 

Marksman_91

(2,035 posts)
37. So why are they gradually becoming more capitalist then?
Fri Sep 27, 2013, 10:38 AM
Sep 2013

You might be right about this sense of community they have, but it's only going to last to the point when people can live in comfort. In the end, everything revolves around the economy, and the way the Castros handled the economy was leading the country to an abyss which would've been really hard to get out of eventually, and now they are implementing new capitalist reforms so that the economy can start flourishing again.

I would also recommend you spend some time talking with some of the Cubans that defected to the US to hear about what they have to say about the country and why they defected. You might think they're all scumbags, but I think it's always nice to get to know the viewpoint with an objective mind of those who you consider your opponents, without resorting to ad hominem attacks, of course. Put ideologies aside for once in this case, forgetting everything about "leftist" or "right-wing", and simply look at things objectively, and you will get closer to the truth.

Judi Lynn

(160,598 posts)
38. Learn more about "exiles"? Many people feel they knew enough long, long ago,
Fri Sep 27, 2013, 02:05 PM
Sep 2013

like all the people in the exodus from South Florida after they started streaming in and taking over.

Quote from Jorge Mas Canosa, the nasty little scum who envisioned himself as the next President of Cuba after the U.S. invaded Cuba and seized control of it again. Jorge Mas Canosa died, or he would still be controlling events in South Florida today, as he did far too long earlier.


Published Tuesday, November 25, 1997, in the Miami Herald
ROBERT STEINBACK


Mas Canosa's caricature had character, too

I had but one extended conversation with Jorge Mas Canosa, in the summer of 1994, shortly after the Cuban exile leader seemed to reveal a shocking contempt for native-born Americans in an article in the Spanish newspaper El Pais.

The reporter had asked if the Americans would ''take over'' Cuba after Fidel Castro's fall. Mas Canosa reportedly replied, ''That's bull----. They haven't even been able to take over Miami. If we kicked them out of here, how could they possibly take over our own country?''

More:
http://www2.fiu.edu/~fcf/caricature112497.html

[center]







Dr. Orlando Bosch and Luis Posada Carriles,
mass murdering Cubana airline bombers,
big Miami "exile" heroes



and their flunkie, Ricardo "Monkey" Morales [/center]

 

Marksman_91

(2,035 posts)
39. Once again you're generalizing
Fri Sep 27, 2013, 02:42 PM
Sep 2013

Stop with the immature excuse of thinking if you know one, you know them all. I never said there aren't any despicable greedy characters among the exiles, but you seem to forget there are some humble folks who made it all the way to US shores vie makeshift rafts who essentially left everything they had behind to start basically from scratch as Americans. THOSE are the people I refer to that you should maybe talk more in depth with. But if you truly feel that all the exiles are the same, that they are all greedy scumbags who deserve no respect, then I simply can't help you and your utterly close-minded views.

Judi Lynn

(160,598 posts)
33. Even Bloomberg had to admit UN findings Venezuela has the highest
Thu Sep 26, 2013, 04:04 PM
Sep 2013

level of personal equality in Latin America. I know you've known this for ages, but in this article, Bloomberg, of course, tries to bury the information in a thick cocoon of US corporate blarney to lessen the impact, an ancient tradition in US corporate "news" writing.


Venezuelans’ Quality of Life Improved in UN Index Under Chavez
By Charlie Devereux & Raymond Colitt - Mar 7, 2013 12:02 AM CT

Venezuelans’ quality of life improved at the third-fastest pace worldwide and income inequality narrowed during the presidency of Hugo Chavez, who tapped the world’s biggest oil reserves to aid the poor.

Venezuela moved up seven spots to 73 out of 187 countries in the United Nation’s index of human development from 2006 to 2011, a period that covers the latter half of Chavez’s rule, which ended with his death March 5. That progress trails only Cuba and Hong Kong in the index, which is based on life expectancy, health and education levels.

~snip~
Venezuela has the lowest rate of income inequality – the smallest gap between the rich and the poor – of all countries in Latin America and the Caribbean, according to a March 5 report by UN-HABITAT, the United Nations Human Settlements Program.

The report, called “The State of Cities in Latin America and the Caribbean 2012,” uses the so-called Gini coefficient to measure inequality. It said Venezuela has the region’s lowest figure of 0.41, followed by Uruguay, and that the index has fallen “significantly” since 1990. The coefficient rates countries on a scale of zero to 1.0, with a higher number indicating greater inequality.

More:
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-03-07/venezuelans-quality-of-life-improved-in-un-index-under-chavez.html

Socialistlemur

(770 posts)
34. Nevertheless Venezuela isn't sustainable
Thu Sep 26, 2013, 04:36 PM
Sep 2013

I read Mr Maduro returned from The people's republic of China, the emerging fascist bastion where ruthless capitalism is the norm. Apparently he signed many agreements and managed to get another $5 billion USD loan.

Under the current management the Venezuela economy has become almost totally dependent on oil exports, and the rest of the economy is a disaster. This is caused by what is termed Dutch disease.

Today due to the enormous imbalances and excessive printing of worthless currency Venezuela has over 40 % inflation. Price controls have created shortages, and a draconian foreign exchange control system causes endless difficulties for importers. And in a country where very little is produced, imports are king. The combination causes extreme shortages.

Thus far I'm limiting myself to discuss the basic economic forces which are making Venezuela look like such a disaster.

But it gets worse. Venezuela lives from oil. Oil which is increasingly heavy. This means it has too much carbon. It causes global warming. And there's going to be a huge battle to force these oil producers to keep their oil underground. Which means Venezuela sure doesn't look very sustainable to me.

Now lets talk about happiness...as it turns out the statistics used for that report are old. They date when the moves were made to make people happy so Chavez and then Maduro would get elected. Populist policies can work for a while, but they fail if there's no efficiency, honesty and hard work behind them. And that's not exactly what Chavez was about.

So, it seems to me there is a lot of confusion about Venezuela's reality. They are in debt, they have high inflation, a lot of crime, food shortages, and plan to live off a substance many around the world think should not be produced because it causes CO2 emissions which will drive up sea level and ruin humanity. Do you think the Venezuelans will be happy people when the world turns against hydrocarbons and they don't know what else to do, and have nothing else to sell? This sure doesn't sound sustainable to me. And happy? They are going to be mighty miserable as far as I can see.

 

ehcross

(166 posts)
27. Happy Venezuela?
Wed Sep 25, 2013, 09:46 PM
Sep 2013

It appears to me that CNN is misreading the data on Venezuela "ranked first among South American nations, as happiest."
Wihout going there it is easy to learn about the real situation of this "oil-rich poor country", as information can be easily be read online. And Venezuelan friends have kept me updated from their still living there.

Another source of information is the fast-growing Venezuelan exiled community in nearby countries like Panama. Granted, the Venezuelan community in Panama has evolved rather later, but it is fast growing, and continues to grow as more people reach the sad conclusion that Venezuela is about to collapse.

So how can someone in Venezuela say that Venezuela was again ranked "The Happiest Country in South America"?

May I suggest you try to obtain reliable information about Venezuela from many groups in exile in Panama, Colombia, and the United States.

 

Marksman_91

(2,035 posts)
29. They're not going to care about what the exiles or anyone who moved out of the country has to say
Wed Sep 25, 2013, 11:41 PM
Sep 2013

Let me clarify, the people in this forum who support this government are so ideologically brainwashed that they're willing to discredit any shred of information or fact that somehow makes the Venezuelan government be seen in a negative light. They pretty much refuse to acknowledge any piece of data, even when it's a proven fact, that shows the incompetence and/or corruption of the Chavista regime, simply because they cannot accept that a single government which claims itself to be "socialist" or "communist" or anything else associated with the left is not run by honest-to-god humble folks who have not colossal amounts of wealth whatsoever, which is really naive to think.

And as for the exiles, they are pretty much the ones that those people I told you about discredit the most. They all think every single one of them is an oligarch or part of the bourgeoisie that ruled Venezuela before Chávez came along. Which is also ridiculous to think, because being myself a Venezuelan living in Miami, I can honestly tell you that most of the folks who got out of the country are not really wealthy. In fact, I'd say most of them would be found in a socioeconomic level no higher than middle class and no lower than low middle class. And they also seem to think that anyone who has wealth or is discontent with the Venezuelan government is automatically a right-wing fascist who simply cannot interact with poor people. They're under the assumption that every chavista leader or person of high rank, including St. Hugo himself, are no wealthier than a typical middle-class citizen, when it's VERY clear that a lot of them have amassed vast amounts of wealth in the last few years, the so-called "boligarchs".

What's really funny is that they claim to know the reality of Venezuela better than anyone who actually has lived or was raised there or has family and friends that still reside in the country (I fit in all those categories, btw. Born and raised in Caracas, currently enrolled in college in Miami simply because things have gotten so dangerous for anyone in that city. I still spent most of my high school years and graduated there, plus my parents and sister, along with most of my close friends, are still living there), people who are exposed every day to the many calamities caused by the Boligarch Empire's corruption and ineptitude. Hell, they don't even speak the native language and expressions of Venezuela's people, which I do, and they still think that somehow they have access to better, more reliable information than me. And they all think that everything wrong in the country, such as food scarcity or lack of certain products such as toilet paper, or even the blackouts, are all caused by right-wing infiltrators backed by the US.

 

ehcross

(166 posts)
31. Leftists are always ready to defend the undefendable
Thu Sep 26, 2013, 12:47 PM
Sep 2013

Your story is not only credible but it is one that applies to thousands of honest people throughout Latin America who have had to flee their countries because their tyrants have done a great job in destroying the economy, restricting all freedoms, silencing opposition groups, and imposing what they call "governments of the people" which are nothing but tyrannical and corrupt regime minorities whose real aim is turning every citizen into a servant of their despicable system, using terror as a tool to subdue those who oppose their evil aims.

In Cuba, the servants of the Castro gorillas rounded up every soul that demanded the freedom that the previous regime denied its citizens, and converted the island into a massive prison for many generations of subjugated Cubans.

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