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GatoGordo

(2,412 posts)
Fri Dec 22, 2017, 11:28 AM Dec 2017

Mogul wants to broker Maduro exit... providing Chavistas get amnesty and keep their stolen loot!

This Venezuelan mogul met Pence. Is he trying to broker an exit strategy for Maduro?

BY ANTONIO MARIA DELGADO, KYRA GURNEY AND FRANCO ORDOÑEZ

adelgado@elnuevoherald.com
kgurney@miamiherald.com
fordonez@mcclatchydc.com
UPDATED DECEMBER 21, 2017 07:25 PM

A Venezuelan millionaire declared persona non grata by the City of Miami for his alleged ties to the Maduro regime is trying to broker an exit strategy with the Trump administration for his beleaguered government, according to various Washington sources.

Raúl Gorrín, criticized for the controversial purchase in 2013 of the then pro-opposition news channel Globovisión, has paid Ballard Partners — the firm of President Donald Trump’s former Florida lobbyist — $450,000 since June through the U.S. subsidiary of the Venezuelan TV network, ostensibly to help the company expand into U.S. markets.

But Gorrín’s real ambitions appear to extend far beyond the TV network. According to three sources familiar with his lobbying efforts in Washington — all of whom declined to be identified because they were not authorized to speak on the matter — the media mogul is trying to establish himself as a broker between Caracas and the Trump administration, peddling the idea that President Nicolás Maduro and other key government leaders might be willing to negotiate a transition in Venezuela in exchange for amnesty.

-snip-

“We don’t want another Nuremberg,” Gorrín was quoted by one of the sources as saying in one of the meetings. According to the same source, the statement was taken to mean that the cost of getting a bloodless transition in Venezuela was allowing regime leaders to retire in peace to enjoy the wealth they have accumulated. “They want to keep the money,” the source said.

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/world/americas/venezuela/article190926039.html
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Mogul wants to broker Maduro exit... providing Chavistas get amnesty and keep their stolen loot! (Original Post) GatoGordo Dec 2017 OP
Pure speculation with neither a scintilla of evidence or logic. Fred Sanders Dec 2017 #1
The Chavista regime is on its last legs. GatoGordo Dec 2017 #2
What is the solution? Voters obviously do not want to go back to rule by a few families. Fred Sanders Dec 2017 #3
"Venezuela will be bounce back as soon as choking sanctions lifted." EX500rider Dec 2017 #4
The voters will is being ignored GatoGordo Dec 2017 #5

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
1. Pure speculation with neither a scintilla of evidence or logic.
Fri Dec 22, 2017, 12:07 PM
Dec 2017

Peddling an idea? Guess he must have left some money or property behind when the revolution kicked out the criminal oligarchy, and they all want it back. Like many, am I right?
Good luck with that.

 

GatoGordo

(2,412 posts)
2. The Chavista regime is on its last legs.
Fri Dec 22, 2017, 12:58 PM
Dec 2017

No more loans from China or Russia. No access to cash. Nobody is giving Venezuela credit. Worthless currency

95% of their exports is oil... 65% of which goes to pay back loans to China and Russia
The lift cost of Venezuelan crude (Heavy, sour) costs more than it can be sold for
Venezuela imports gas because they cannot refine their own oil
Selling off assets left and right (they just "gave" Cuba CienFuegos for "services rendered&quot
Crumbling infrastructure
No food, CLAP or otherwise
No medicine, doctors/nurses leaving the country
No democracy
Cuban militarists in charge of PdVSA and food distribution (wholesale corruption)
SUNNDE and ANC OK'ing the looting of stores
50% increase in the food prices... in a week
Wholesale brain drain. Nearly vacant universities due to no professors.
Highest violent crime rate in the world.

What could go wrong?

But, I think you are correct. Maduro and the Chavista true believers aren't smart enough to look for an out. They will sink into the abyss, each howling "Viva la Revolucion!" to the last breath.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
3. What is the solution? Voters obviously do not want to go back to rule by a few families.
Fri Dec 22, 2017, 01:34 PM
Dec 2017

I respect the voters will. You will call the voting fake. Who knows?

Even America has massive electoral peoblems. The RW and their corporate masters have never loved democracy or the common man voters...even in America.

Venezuela will be bounce back as soon as choking sanctions lifted. It is the new Cuba.

EX500rider

(10,849 posts)
4. "Venezuela will be bounce back as soon as choking sanctions lifted."
Fri Dec 22, 2017, 05:24 PM
Dec 2017

Please list how the "choking sanctions" have caused the problems listed in post #2.

I'd say a lot of the problem is here:

Venezuela recently revealed that oil production had hit a historic low, falling beneath two million BPD (barrels per day). September production was 2.085 million BPD while in October it was 1.955 million BPD and headed lower. Production has not been this low since 1989. Production averaged 2.373 million BPD in 2016 and 2.654 million BPD in 2015. The production decline accelerated in 2017 and is expected to fall to 1.6 million BPD in 2018. This is down from a peak of 3.5 million BPD in 1999, when the current government took power. The subsequent government corruption and mismanagement has devastated the Venezuelan oil industry and caused a decline in oil production that is headed towards unprecedented low levels. The production decline is continuing, because the government refuses to clean up the mess in the national oil company and the oil production facilities.

https://www.strategypage.com/qnd/colombi/articles/20171114.aspx

 

GatoGordo

(2,412 posts)
5. The voters will is being ignored
Sat Dec 23, 2017, 06:36 AM
Dec 2017

I respect the voters will, but that has nothing to do with what is going on in Venezuela. Maduro and the Chavistas have thwarted the voters will since they got their ass handed to them in the 2015 AN elections. Since then, the regime has done everything to twart the will of the voter.

Cancel a recall attempt
Cancel local and government elections
Ban citizens and parties from running for office
Jailing opposition candidates and protesters without even charging them
Military trials for civilian citizens
A "constitutional assembly" (ANC) without even asking the public if they wanted one
Outright FRAUD in regards to assembly votes. (See Smartmatic)
Outright FRAUD in governor elections, including nullifying winning candidates
Outright FRAUD in mayorship elections, including nullifying Socialist, grassroots candidates
Ending mayorships in Caracas OUTRIGHT.

And the recent elections, with the Chavista "red spot"/Carnet de la Patria revolving door scam that included outright BRIBES FOR VOTES?

How is the will of the Venezuelan voter being heard in YOUR minds eye?

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