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polly7

(20,582 posts)
Sat Oct 6, 2012, 08:39 AM Oct 2012

Chavez v Capriles: The 2012 Venezuelan presidential election

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On the eve of the October 7, 2012 Venezuelan presidential election, Green Left TV's Peter Boyle spoke to Tamara Pearson, an Australian socialist who has been living in Venezuela since 2007. She writes for Venezuelanalysis.com and for Green Left Weekly. Tamara lives in Merida but was in Caracas for the final stage of the election campaign and to help lead the 2012 Australia-Venezuela Solidarity Brigade whose members are also there to witness this election campaign.

Tamara Pearson discusses the campaign, the successes of the revolution and the views of the people of Venezuela on the eve of the election.
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Chavez v Capriles: The 2012 Venezuelan presidential election (Original Post) polly7 Oct 2012 OP
Thank you! Great seeing so many involved & excited people... Peace Patriot Oct 2012 #1
Thank you, PP. polly7 Oct 2012 #2
"Capriles supporters are often paid to be on the street" joshcryer Oct 2012 #4
said, of course, with no evidence at all. nt. naaman fletcher Oct 2012 #5
A lot of that post is full of lies. joshcryer Oct 2012 #6
Well, naaman fletcher Oct 2012 #7
Appreciated your shared comments on Polly's video. I was so happy to hear Tamara Pearson, also. n/t Judi Lynn Oct 2012 #8
Excellent post as always, Peace Patriot. sabrina 1 Oct 2012 #12
I like how she can read Capriles' mind and thinks he's an "imitation" of Chavez. joshcryer Oct 2012 #3
Polly, thanks for the opportunity to see this great video. Wonderful! Judi Lynn Oct 2012 #9
You're welcome Judi Lynn! polly7 Oct 2012 #10
It might be a South American made V.W. Judi Lynn Oct 2012 #11

Peace Patriot

(24,010 posts)
1. Thank you! Great seeing so many involved & excited people...
Sat Oct 6, 2012, 11:28 AM
Oct 2012

...not to mention beautiful and healthy people, out in the street, having a good time campaigning. A very cheering vid.

Maybe the camera was favoring the beautiful and the healthy, I don't know, but it struck me, watching the images: here are people who have medical care, preventive care, dental care, and don't look worried, harassed, in debt, unemployed--people with relaxed faces, even when they are speaking passionately about political ideas.

My ideas of beauty and health go beyond conventional prettiness and youth. Chunky, middle-aged women who nevertheless look solid, energetic, comfortable on their feet, happy to be outdoors, with untroubled faces, no make up and intelligent eyes and expressions, are beautiful to me, for instance. They don't look desperate for consumer goods, economic advantage and the best parking spot, the way some women in that age group do in other societies.

Anyway, in general, a very positive impression of the people out on the street in Venezuela rallying for the election.

Nice seeing Tamara Pearson. I've often read her pieces at venezuelanalysis.com. Didn't know she was Australian. These solidarity groups (solidarity with the chavistas) in the UK and Australia seem quite active and they are very good at getting information out, in the face of relentlessly negative coverage of the Chavez government and its supporters in the Corporate Media.

I was struck by one thing she said in this vid. She mentioned an important difference between the daily street presence of pro-Chavez vs. pro-Capriles supporters, that the Chavez supporters are much more numerous on a daily basis and more festive, and that the Capriles supporters are often paid to be on the street, to sell t-shirts, etc. She is, of course, a partisan, but she's also a pretty careful observer. I don't think she would say this without evidence but I didn't get the impression that it was the result of any comprehensive survey or inquiry; just her impression.

It does make sense. Chavez supporters have a lot more to cheer about and to come out and shout and sing about--for hours and hours, handing out pamphlets in big festive groups on street corners. They are ahead in the polls and are probably going to win big, again. The benefits of the Chavez government are quite real and substantial. As Pearson points out, they feel them in their daily lives (good wages, health care, etc.) Chavez has a 64% approval rating, according to the Mitofksy-Mexico study of the major polls. And he is 10% to 15% up on Capriles in pre-election polls.

All this would tend to dampen enthusiasm of Capriles supporters and maybe make them less inclined to volunteer on street corners (thus, the campaign pays some people to be there). However, I read another account of the street life of this campaign (by an Englishman) who described more equal enthusiasm and presence of both sides in the street campaigning.

It's important not to gage these things wrong--or in an overly partisan way--and "street presence" doesn't necessarily translate into votes. Also, there are other indications that Capriles has, indeed, done better at attracting support than previous rightwing candidates. Further, the rightwing opposition made advances in the National Assembly in the last election. The Capriles supporters here at DU--though they are a very untrustworthy lot, as to facts--seem to think that Capriles could win. I tend to think this is more delusion than reality (Venezuela's RW opposition has been delusional in the past, quite demonstrably), and, gut feeling, all in all, I really don't think that Venezuelans are going to vote to reverse their "New Deal" and I do think that they are savvy voters (much savvier than our own), as to reading a candidate's true intentions, in this case, Capriles' true attitude toward Chavez's "New Deal" (says he supports social programs but probably will start dismantling them).

One last item on guessing the outcome for Sunday: Venezuelans voted, by a big margin, to let Chavez run for a third term. (That national vote also included lifting term limits on governors.) That vote may be something of a predicter of this one. Why would they trust Chavez that much, to positively endorse the idea of a third term, and, all things being equal--he's obviously healthy and his platform hasn't changed--not give him one?

No, one more item--image: Not scientific. Gut feeling. Capriles is too slick. Too airbrushed. Too pretty. Chavez not only looks like an ordinary guy--not like some slim, veg-drinking, Wall Street trader in mortgage derivatives--he's been through the mill, with illness, coup attempt, mind-boggling pressures, breakup of his marriage, total hostility of the Corporate Press and of course our own government, and has produced, for Venezuelans, on most of their "New Deal" desires, including putting Venezuela back into good economic growth in the midst of a worldwide depression, without cutting any social programs. THAT is a "worker-friendly president" in image and in substance.

That chunky, quite genuinely smiling face has got it all over Capriles in charisma, with obvious substance behind the charisma. Capriles looks untested--perhaps more untested than he really is. (He is a governor.) If I were one of those chunky, energetic middle-aged women--the ones I noticed in this vid--I might want him to marry my daughter; I might even think he's kind of cute; but I wouldn't want him running things, no way. He's got a long way to go before I would trust him with my wages, my pension, my health care and the welfare and future prospects of my family and my community.

The miracle of Venezuela is that the votes of ordinary people really do count (and get counted): the miracle (not really a miracle) of real democracy. The common sense, the intelligence, the savvy, the shrewdness, the experience, the activism of ordinary people really does have a chance to determine who gets to run the government.

polly7

(20,582 posts)
2. Thank you, PP.
Sat Oct 6, 2012, 12:22 PM
Oct 2012

I appreciate so much seeing your thoughtful analyses of these videos and articles. I also think Venezuelans are remarkably politically savvy and their enthusiasm and participation since Chavez' rise has impressed me like no other people anywhere. They absolutely do know what is best for themselves ... let's hope their vision and hard work is allowed to continue on!

joshcryer

(62,276 posts)
4. "Capriles supporters are often paid to be on the street"
Sat Oct 6, 2012, 05:55 PM
Oct 2012

With what money?

Capriles has like 3 buses and a small ass caravan and a stage that they drove around the country for months. His campaign is virtually reliant solely on volunteers.

Contrast this with Chavez who has the allmighty backing of the Fonden fund and can use it to pay to bus in thousands of people to his events.

It's truly David vs. Goliath.

joshcryer

(62,276 posts)
6. A lot of that post is full of lies.
Sat Oct 6, 2012, 06:52 PM
Oct 2012

It is really fucked up but I don't have the patience to rebut it because frankly there are only about 36 hours before Capriles is declared winner.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
12. Excellent post as always, Peace Patriot.
Sun Oct 7, 2012, 08:44 PM
Oct 2012

It boggles my mind how much the 'left' here in the US has changed. I remember eg, the support Chavez had in 2002 from almost all of the left on nearly every political forum I was on at the time. The fact that the Bush gang tried to continue the old Cold War policies of ousting democratically elected leaders in Latin America was enough on its own to never, ever support the Far Right in Venezuela, if you cared at all about the people there.

How anyone calling themselves 'left' can support the Far Right opposition in Ven or anywhere else, is not conceivable to me, and a relatively new phenomenon. I wonder if the multi-millions spent on anti-Chavez propaganda actually works on the left. Or are these people really 'left'.

I KNOW how the Right Wing Bush supporters absolutely hated Chavez. But then he stood up to their hero so it was understandable, plus they are no known for having any respecgt for the sovereignty of other nations especially if they are not 'white' nations.

The Venezuelan people chose their leader. I don't get the interest of the right here in what they do. It is none of their business.

Judi Lynn

(160,544 posts)
9. Polly, thanks for the opportunity to see this great video. Wonderful!
Sat Oct 6, 2012, 08:13 PM
Oct 2012

Covered a lot of ground in a short time, and provided us one of the only views we've had the chance to see of a turnout for Chavez.

You've probably noticed, TOO, all the corporate media are ignoring the Chavez rallies, except for extreme close-ups which fill the screen with only several people. Not by accident, as we know by now!

THANK YOU.

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Chavez going to vote in the 2nd election



Onward![/center]

polly7

(20,582 posts)
10. You're welcome Judi Lynn!
Sat Oct 6, 2012, 11:18 PM
Oct 2012

Not sure what kind of car that little red bugster is, but ..... want!

I can't get over the turnouts of these people, it's amazing to see. I wish Canada had that kind of enthusiasm! But then we haven't had to fight the poverty and oppression the Venezuelan people have. They know what they don't want to go back to. We've never even had to consider it.

Crossing my fingers for them.

Judi Lynn

(160,544 posts)
11. It might be a South American made V.W.
Sun Oct 7, 2012, 04:11 PM
Oct 2012

Their enthusiasm is real.

Remember, they're the same Venezuelans who saw through the news blackout on the privately owned tv and radio stations, found out about the abduction of Hugo Chavez by the opposition, got the news in spite of the fact the opposition mayor had his police close down the community radio stations, so the news had to be by word of mouth, poured into the streets, made their way to the President's residence amd offices at Miraflores, surrounded the place, and demanded their elected President BACK.

Their simple presence forced the return of Hugo Chavez.

Next time I'm sure the opposition will try to get the military to open fire on them again, just as their oligarchy Present Carlos Andres Perez did, when he delivered so many Venezuelans to the next life in his notorious "El Caracazo" massacre.

To people who have been mowed down in the streets by opposition forces, turning out to rally for their own President is indeed an important act.

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