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http://www.eluniversal.com/nacional-y-politica/121124/no-human-rights-in-venezuelaExtrajudicial executions
Another aspect highlighted in the report provided by Cofavic before the Inter-American Commission is the participation of police officers in the so-called extrajudicial executions. The Venezuelan Government estimates that between 20 % and 25 % of the police officers have been involved in criminal activities. In the same sense, the very Public Ministry indicates that between 2000 and 2008, a number of 1,000 annual cases of deaths due to abuse of authority were recorded. In the meantime, in 2010, the very Ministry of Interior and Justice recorded 3,492 cases of killings perpetrated by the police.
It is worth noting that these rising deaths are not added to the homicide numbers, as most cases are identified as "resisting arrest."
tblue
(16,350 posts)I have read Greg Palast's work on Hugo Chavez over the years, including his stories of the CIA-enabled coup attempts committed in conjunction with monied interests in Venezuela. Chavez was the first native non-white leader of that country, and he refused to play ball with Big Oil, wanted the natural resources to be used to benefit the local people, Palast says, and Chavez has not backed down. So I am usually skeptical about articles written about Chavez from an American perspective. But your post isn't from that perspective, so I take it very seriously. I did once run into a young woman from Venezuela who told me she hates Chavez, and her country has taken a nosedive under his rule, with a high crime rate and high unemployment. But, again, it's the wealthy people of that country, generally, who have had a problem with Chavez. And most Venezuelan's don't get to holiday in the US unless they have some amount of wealth. So this woman may be biased, and maybe for people of her class, things have gotten worse.
All that said, thanks for this post. It is disturbing and eye-opening to me. BTW, our police and their treatment of people they apprehend is extremely troublesome too.
Bacchus4.0
(6,837 posts)Most prisoners are still awaiting trial. they haven't been convicted. and this
Venezuela's latest bloody prison clash came after a year in which 591 inmates were killed in the country's troubled prisons, the deadliest toll yet during President Hugo Chavez's 14-year government, a watchdog group said Thursday.
The Venezuelan Prisons Observatory released last year's death toll nearly a week after fierce gunfire erupted at Uribana prison in the western city of Barquisimeto. The government said 58 people were killed on Friday when armed inmates clashed with National Guard troops who were attempting to carry out an inspection. Nearly all of those killed were prisoners.
The number of deaths in prison riots and other violence in 2012 was up about 5 percent from the previous year, and up about 24 percent over the number killed in 2010. The group also said 1,132 inmates were injured in prison violence during 2012.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/31/venezuela-prison-deaths_n_2593736.html
Bacchus4.0
(6,837 posts)Most men here do nothing but wait out a sentence that has yet to arrive. Human rights activists say almost 70% of inmates are being held in pre-trial detention. Some do odd jobs, such as fixing broken air-conditioners or painting the walls of the main prison. Their wages paid by the pran finance their drug habits
70% have not yet been convicted of anything yet languish in prison. This is the government that our resident chavistas believe is the model for latin america and, ostensibly, the world.
Peace Patriot
(24,010 posts)He has won all presidential elections in which he has stood for office, by big majorities, in an election system that Jimmy Carter recently called "the best election system in the world."
His "coattails" are awesome. His socialist party recently did a near sweep of the gubernatorial elections, on top of Chavez's recent presidential election.
In the Gallup "Well-being" poll, Venezuelans rated their own country FIFTH IN THE WORLD on their own sense of wellbeing and future prospects.
It must be those handouts to the poor (ya know, like FDR did) with a happiness pill wrapped up in the wads of money handed out by the chavistas to bribe people to vote.
Truly, though, it must be that Venezuelans don't weigh this repeated-ad-nauseum, rightwing "talking point" (the crime rate) as worth a lot when balanced against the benefits of the Chavez government, for instance, the recent UN Economic Commission on Latin America and the Caribbean designating Venezuela as "THE most equal country in Latin America," or the dramatic reductions of poverty, or the dramatic increase in educational opportunity, or the dramatic improvement in public participation, or high employment with good wages and benefits, or remarkable economic growth rates (a sizzling 10% during the 2003-2008 period, back up to over 5% in the current worldwide depression with NO CUTS IN SOCIAL PROGRAMS).
Yup, that's what's LEFT OUT of El Universal and other corporate press articles on Venezuela: WHY Venezuelans vote for Chavez and the socialists, time and again.
Most Venezuelans don't seem to give a crap what El Universal or the rest of the corporate press says. For one thing, they know that the corporate press NEVER gives ANY credit to the Chavez government--even when its achievements are rather stunning and are noted by international entities. "Best election system in the world." "THE most equal country in Latin America." Venezuelans know the Chavez government better than anyone. They put the Chavez government in power, and kept it there--saved it from the 2002 coup attempt--and have voted for it repeatedly because they know what having a "New Deal" government has meant in their daily lives: jobs, food on the table, upward mobility, college for their kids, health care, hope. Venezuela has problems. All countries have problems. Venezuelans see these problems--live the problems, as well as the benefits--and vote for Chavez. Why? WHY??? W.H.Y.??????
The rightwing's obsession with "the crime rate" (promulgated by the corporate press and rightwing bloggers) reminds me of the U.S. rightwing obsession with Benghazi. The rightwing (Bush Junta) mangled U.S. foreign policy into a Mount Everest of human body parts like one of the circles of Dante's Inferno. Horrible, murderous, putrid, lying, looting SOBs. They've got nothing to say, so they jump up and down like idiots, shouting, "Benghazi! Benghazi! Benghazi!"
Venezuela's rightwing fucked up Venezuela's economy and society so badly that they've got nothing to say now, so they jump up and down shouting "Crime! Crime! Crime!" and, like the idiots shouting "Benghazi! Benghazi! Benghazi!", get promulgated by the corporate press far, far beyond the nothingness they have to say, into "Mad Tea Party" incoherence, where everything is upside down, inside out and backwards, like "Alice in Wonderland." Chavez gets elected again, but "Crime! Crime! Crime!" is what we should think about Chavez. Obama gets elected again but "Benghazi! Benghazi! Benghazi!" is what we should think about Obama. It's nuts. Those who NEVER acknowledge ANY achievement of the Chavez government (nor any of the achievements of the Venezuela people in concert with their elected government) have NO credibility with me. They are liars and propagandists. And I mean in-your-face liars. Outright liars--as well as twisters and distorters of information.
naaman fletcher
(7,362 posts)What do you think of those who NEVER acknowledge ANY failing of the Chavez government? Are they liars and propagandists too?
I would think that ANYBODY who thinks EITHER Chavez is 100% good OR 100% bad is a liar and a propagandist.
Bacchus4.0
(6,837 posts)as the price to pay to live in the world's greatest democracy or whatever you think it is. Not to mention a failed judicial system, and inept administration. Venezuela also leads the continent in the most corruption.
http://bigstory.ap.org/article/citing-crime-norway-close-venezuela-embassy-0
to answer your question, they vote for him because buys them off.
naaman fletcher
(7,362 posts)If the "he was re-elected, so he must be doing something right" was a certain posters opinion in 1984, 2004, and to a degree 1988 when the VP was elected on a "more of the same" platform.
ocpagu
(1,954 posts)"to answer your question, they vote for him because buys them off."
Who do you want to convince with this? Yourself?
Bacchus4.0
(6,837 posts)no question. Since most of the people of Latin America are under middle class, why not take advantage of that huge population and appeal to them in order to get and retain power. You think Chavez and his administration care about people more than power? If they did one would think they would be somewhat concerned about the 20,000+ murdered every year. No my friend, its politics and not compassion.
Godgiven Hair's house. Obviously a man of the people.
I wonder if these are his neighbors:
joshcryer
(62,276 posts)Hundreds of thousands of Colombians killed in FARC-AUC narco violence and they post threads about union members being killed (mothers, fathers, sons, daughters, who cares, right?).
Anyway, the chavistas own Venezuelas media and have unlimited funds to campaign. It's like Citizens United 100x. If the US President could go into the coffers and spend money indiscriminately on his or her campaign, they would never lose. Ever. Of course, when Citizens United is talked about, it's bad, but when a "populist" has that kind of power, it's OK. Gross hypocrisy.
In any event I have no problem with the Fonden handouts, poor people should be able to get washing machines. I just dislike the disproportionate power that the chavistas have when it comes to campaigning. The opposition doesn't have a chance. I admit I was in the bubble last elections (I really just read Capriles campaign sites religiously). But I know better now.