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Catherina

(35,568 posts)
Thu Mar 7, 2013, 04:57 PM Mar 2013

Tariq Ali: Hugo Chávez and me

Tariq Ali: Hugo Chávez and me


Tariq Ali
The Guardian, Wednesday 6 March 2013 17.07 GMT

The late president of Venezuela, who I have met many times, will be remembered by his supporters as a lover of literature, a fiery speaker and a man who fought for his people and won

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Politicians like him had become unacceptable. What he loathed most was the contemptuous indifference of mainstream politicians in South America towards their own people. The Venezuelan elite is notoriously racist. They regarded the elected president of their country as uncouth and uncivilised, a zambo of mixed African and indigenous blood who could not be trusted. His supporters were portrayed on private TV networks as monkeys. Colin Powell had to publicly reprimand the US embassy in Caracas for hosting a party where Chávez was portrayed as a gorilla.

The following year in Caracas I questioned him further on the Bolívarian project. What could be accomplished? He was very clear; much more so than some of his over-enthusiastic supporters: ''I don't believe in the dogmatic postulates of Marxist revolution. I don't accept that we are living in a period of proletarian revolutions. All that must be revised. Reality is telling us that every day. Are we aiming in Venezuela today for the abolition of private property or a classless society? I don't think so. But if I'm told that because of that reality you can't do anything to help the poor, the people who have made this country rich through their labour – and never forget that some of it was slave labour – then I say: 'We part company.' I will never accept that there can be no redistribution of wealth in society. Our upper classes don't even like paying taxes. That's one reason they hate me. We said: 'You must pay your taxes.' I believe it's better to die in battle, rather than hold aloft a very revolutionary and very pure banner, and do nothing … That position often strikes me as very convenient, a good excuse … Try and make your revolution, go into combat, advance a little, even if it's only a millimetre, in the right direction, instead of dreaming about utopias."

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The image of Chávez most popular in the west was that of an oppressive caudillo. Had this been true I would wish for more of them. The Bolívarian constitution, opposed by the Venezuelan opposition, its newspapers and TV channels and the local CNN, plus western supporters, was approved by a large majority of the population. It is the only constitution in the world that affords the possibility of removing an elected president from office via a referendum based on collecting sufficient signatures. Consistent only in their hatred for Chávez, the opposition tried to use this mechanism in 2004 to remove him. Regardless of the fact that many of the signatures were those of dead people, the Venezuelan government decided to accept the challenge.

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Did he ever tire? Get depressed? Lose confidence? "Yes," he replied. But it was not the coup attempt or the referendum. It was the strike organised by the corrupted oil unions and backed by the middle-classes that worried him because it would affect the entire population, especially the poor: "Two factors helped sustain my morale. The first was the support we retained throughout the country. I got fed up sitting in my office. So with one security guard and two comrades I drove out to listen to people and breathe better air. The response moved me greatly. A woman came up to me and said: 'Chávez follow me, I want to show you something.' I followed her into her tiny dwelling. Inside, her husband and children were waiting for the soup to be cooked. 'Look at what I'm using for fuel … the back of our bed. Tomorrow I'll burn the legs, the day after the table, then the chairs and doors. We will survive, but don't give up now.' On my way out the kids from the gangs came and shook hands. 'We can live without beer. You make sure you screw these motherfuckers.'"

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http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/mar/06/hugo-chavez-and-me-tariq-ali


Hasta siempre compañero, el mundo te llora y la lucha sigue.

RIP Commandante.

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Mnemosyne

(21,363 posts)
1. "And if you lose?" I asked. "Then I will resign," he replied without hesitation. What a ruthless
Thu Mar 7, 2013, 05:05 PM
Mar 2013

dictator!

Peace Patriot

(24,010 posts)
2. Wow! This is dynamite! The Chavez made invisible by the Corporate Media!
Thu Mar 7, 2013, 06:38 PM
Mar 2013
I questioned him further on the Bolívarian project. What could be accomplished? He was very clear; much more so than some of his over-enthusiastic supporters: ''I don't believe in the dogmatic postulates of Marxist revolution. I don't accept that we are living in a period of proletarian revolutions. All that must be revised. Reality is telling us that every day. Are we aiming in Venezuela today for the abolition of private property or a classless society? I don't think so. But if I'm told that because of that reality you can't do anything to help the poor, the people who have made this country rich through their labour – and never forget that some of it was slave labour – then I say: 'We part company.' I will never accept that there can be no redistribution of wealth in society.

And...

Our upper classes don't even like paying taxes. That's one reason they hate me. We said: 'You must pay your taxes.'

And...

I believe it's better to die in battle, rather than hold aloft a very revolutionary and very pure banner, and do nothing … That position often strikes me as very convenient, a good excuse … Try and make your revolution, go into combat, advance a little, even if it's only a millimetre, in the right direction, instead of dreaming about utopias."

--from the OP

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Such a great and thoughtful president!

I won't say, "RIP, Hugo Chavez," because that implies quietude. Chavez loved to talk--and bubbled with ideas, endlessly informing, explaining, cajoling, encouraging, examining past ideas, proposing new ideas, detailing policies, bringing people into his thought process, and also citing history, joking, singing, commenting openly, freely, on events and information and plans. He was an includer, and regarded his audience as active participants in their society and government, who had a right to know what he was thinking and a need to be well-informed on all the particulars of government and of revolutionary change.

I simply can't imagine Chavez "resting in peace." Peace implies quietude, silence. But of course it needn't mean that at all. Peace can be quite loud, colorful and talkative, and even raucous and bacchanalian. Chavez brought that raw energy of the bacchanalian psyche into the halls of government, into the lofty councils of the world. He channeled it into rational discourse that cut like a large sharp knife through the mountains of political bullshit in this era, piled up since Reagan.

Mount Everests of lies about "trickle-down" economics. Here came Chavez with his mountain cleaver and smote that steaming pile to the ground.

What a joy!

Yak-yak-yaking to everybody and anybody! Irrepressible! Come join the dance of democracy! Get inebriated on social justice! Hear the pipes! Hear the cymbals! Sing the song! BE PART OF THIS WONDERFUL POLITICAL DISCUSSION! Come in! Come into the circle! Create it!

Peace can be wild and still be peaceful. Chavez was wild but his wildness produced a re-ordering of the political landscape. He was a wildcard that changes the game, makes it more fun, more unpredictable, gives us all hope of winning. Chavez brought Lady Luck to the table; and put ordinary people AT the table; and said, "Let's re-shuffle the cards, shall we?"

Ah, me! Anyone who could see the Calvinist in the Marxist, and at the same time see the Devil in the Capitalist, is okay by me. There is no hard prescription for social justice, or self-government, or economics, other than this: spread the wealth. That in itself is transformative. And Chavez was bursting with that message and with all the in's and out's of how it could be done, how people could make it be done, and how it was being done in Venezuela, and with the sheer joy of doing it.

Very inclusive leader. Not a top down leader at all. Chavez the Talker. Chavez the Wild Man.

He didn't create this revolution--the people of Venezuela did. He didn't really lead it--it buoyed him up, brought him out, saved him when he fell, ignited his inner fire, crowned him with laurel wreaths and set him in motion.

Rest in the best kind of Peace, Hugo Chavez! The Dance!

Catherina

(35,568 posts)
3. Have I told you lately that I love you?
Thu Mar 7, 2013, 06:50 PM
Mar 2013

My heart can't accept that Chavez is dead. He doesn't feel dead. I know his spirit will live on a long time and that the Venezuelan people won't allow anyone to steal the gains of their revolution. The poor now how far they've come.

I was speaking with an expat middle-class Venezuelan friend last night. We usually avoid the subject of Chavez because she becomes impossible when his name comes up. She loves Castro and hates Chavez. Go figure. It's like my family members who love Castro but hate Aristide. I guess when it's your profits not coming from the mouths of the poor that makes all the difference. Anyway, her main objection to Chavez, no matter what good facts she HAS to admit, is that he "speaks like a monkey". "Have you heard him speak?" she asked. "Yes, many times and I love it. He speaks the truth". "He speaks like a monkey" she insists.

Then she tried to tell me that the people in Venezuela are starving and eat out of trash cans. At that point, all you can do is sigh.

"Rest in the best kind of Peace, Hugo Chavez! The Dance!"

Judi Lynn

(160,631 posts)
4. Amazing, important article. So glad to have just read it, and filed it away for the future, as well.
Fri Mar 8, 2013, 04:41 AM
Mar 2013

It was exceptional, and how refreshing it was seeing the author taking the care to quote him on his "take" on Marxism, which was remarkable to see tonight, after having read an article today by a gasbag who insisted on claiming Chavez was an "avowed Marxist"!

Thanks for giving us the chance to absorb this worthy tribute. Chavez did deserve every word.

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