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Broderick

(4,578 posts)
Sat Sep 1, 2012, 05:27 PM Sep 2012

Think you're tough? Think again. It's not about gender. Let's discuss us men.

Men have heart attacks. It's not pretty. Sometimes you die. Sometimes you survive and your world changes. Sometimes it's genetic and sometimes it's behavior, but when it happens it will be the scariest thing you ever had happen to you. You have no control over it. Having your butt wiped by someone else is a revelation.

Stress. Eating habits. Exercise or lack thereof. Life patterns. Genetics. Spend weeks "tied" up after it assaults you, if you survive. Think you're mad now?? You got two choices in that respect. Mad or not.

Ask me anything. Healthcare. Behavior. What to look for.

I am rebounding from a major, call it a widow maker. I am still getting strength back. I am looking at all the things that brought me to this point. It's a change of life, but I only got here (survive) because of friends and because of family.

A couple setbacks later and I think it's time to stand up again. Albeit, when I can.

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Think you're tough? Think again. It's not about gender. Let's discuss us men. (Original Post) Broderick Sep 2012 OP
I will check in if anyone has a question when I can Broderick Sep 2012 #1
i didnt know this. seabeyond Sep 2012 #2
I am so sorry to hear this. Behind the Aegis Sep 2012 #3
We are very glad to see you back Broderick. lumberjack_jeff Sep 2012 #4
I'm glad you're back and wish you a speedy recovery, Broderick. Warren DeMontague Sep 2012 #5
I meant to help Broderick Sep 2012 #6
Your post is a great service to all of us who consider ourselves immortal. lumberjack_jeff Sep 2012 #8
A guy I used to work with had a serious wake up call Major Nikon Sep 2012 #7
Glad you are doing better now. William769 Sep 2012 #9
I feel the same way. Life pinned me to the mat this summer. I'm fighting back. Denninmi Sep 2012 #10
I'm a strong believer in the power of exercise to cure. lumberjack_jeff Sep 2012 #11
Ditto. Warren DeMontague Sep 2012 #12
Thanks. I'm definitely thinking ahead a couple of months. Denninmi Sep 2012 #14
If you have space, an exercycle can be an excellent investment Warren DeMontague Sep 2012 #16
Hey, man, I don't know all that much from bipolar, but I do believe that neurochemistry, diet, Warren DeMontague Sep 2012 #13
Whoops, the response above belongs here. Denninmi Sep 2012 #15
Sorry to intrude, but just want to say kdmorris Sep 2012 #17
Thanks, I appreciate the support. Denninmi Sep 2012 #18

Broderick

(4,578 posts)
1. I will check in if anyone has a question when I can
Sat Sep 1, 2012, 05:44 PM
Sep 2012

If private mail is better, fine. You have to know the symptoms. You can't do what I did and just overlook and be tough. It can kill you if you let it.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
2. i didnt know this.
Sat Sep 1, 2012, 09:09 PM
Sep 2012

wow broderick... that is a tough and scary one. i would love to listen to what you have to say.

getting older, and a bit of a hypochondriac, i have been fearful. at 40 i went to heart specialist just to get a check up. i have been thinking it is time again.

heart attack is the biggest one for women i believe, also. so my doctor said. i think i will google.

i hope you do well in your recovery.

my thoughts and heart are with you.

Behind the Aegis

(53,959 posts)
3. I am so sorry to hear this.
Sat Sep 1, 2012, 11:19 PM
Sep 2012

Thankfully, you survived. I am sure many people are relieved.

I am 43 and went in for a routine eye appointment and my doctor was concerned about my BP. I went to the doctor the next day and...boom...now I am on BP meds. My biggest issue is my smoking. I have been smoking since I was 16; 18, is when I started about a pack a day; by the time I was 22, it was 2 packs. At least when I was younger, I was active in sports. When I lived in New Orleans, I walked every where, so my weight was under control, until I slipped into a major depression, which included a severe bout of agoraphobia, so I started to put on weight again. I am short and ended up at 185lbs. I am 165lbs now, but still need to lose about 40lbs.

What issues were you having prior to the incident? Did you know what was happening before it happened? Had you been to the doctor? I went to the doctor in January for a skin issue. It was the first time I had been to a doctor in almost 20 years. That is a huge issue among men.

Thank you for your willingness to share.

 

lumberjack_jeff

(33,224 posts)
4. We are very glad to see you back Broderick.
Sun Sep 2, 2012, 11:20 AM
Sep 2012

My brother's heart attack was a wake up call for him too.

What were the symptoms? Did they do a stent?

 

lumberjack_jeff

(33,224 posts)
8. Your post is a great service to all of us who consider ourselves immortal.
Sat Sep 15, 2012, 09:02 PM
Sep 2012

Best wishes to a smooth recovery.

Major Nikon

(36,827 posts)
7. A guy I used to work with had a serious wake up call
Sat Sep 15, 2012, 06:26 PM
Sep 2012

He was a good natured guy with a good sense of humor. Everyone knew he was a heart attack waiting to happen. He was obese, ate crap constantly, smoked, and was in his PJs watching TV the moment he got home from work. He always said he never wanted to live forever and was going to live how he wanted to live.

Then the inevitable happened. He had a major heart attack at a relatively young age. It completely changed his outlook on life. He started exercising, lost weight, started eating right, and stopped smoking. When asked about it he said having your chest cracked open and your ribs spread apart is a serious attitude adjuster.

Fortunately for me I worked with a lot of old guys who had made a lot of bad choices and I was able to see the results at a very young age. It sort of gives you a 20-30 year time machine to peer into your future and I didn't really like what I saw. So I made a lot of lifestyle choices that have paid pretty good dividends now that I'm in their shoes.

Denninmi

(6,581 posts)
10. I feel the same way. Life pinned me to the mat this summer. I'm fighting back.
Sun Sep 16, 2012, 04:31 PM
Sep 2012

I was diagnosed last month with bipolar II disorder, the kind where I am very depressed and manic at the same time. And this was a real culture shock to me, not what I had in mind when I thought of my self image. I decided it was time to get professional help because I was having a really, really bad time of things. There were a few "tipping points" in my system as well. The first was one day, sitting at my desk at work, and I had probably the 7th or 8th suicidal vision in my mind of the day. And I said to myself, WTF is this. Now, mind you, I can look back and see that I have had this problem most of my life. And suicidal thoughts, well, I've had those on and off since I was about 13. But somehow, this recent pattern was different, both because it was very detailed, including the feeling of what it would be like, and because when I had this, by and large, it felt like it wasn't even me, but like I was watching a movie about myself.

Wake up call #2 came in late July. I found myself during the month of July driving like a total ass. Road Rage, big time. Which is completely opposite of how I normally drive, I'm usually too slow and cautious, courteous of other drivers, and I've never had anything on my record except a ticket in 1994 for going 32 in a 25mph zone. I was weaving in and out of heavy traffic, passing when I shouldn't, tailgating, honking and gesturing to other drivers. But the big wake up call came on a Friday afternoon, when I found myself running a red light at a busy intersection during evening rush hour traffic, once again with the feeling I was watching this happen in a movie, and it was the second time in 3 days I did this. 10 second after going through the light, and thank God I didn't hit someone, I said to myself, aloud, in the car, literally the words "What the Fuck did you just do? WHAT THE FUCK DID YOU JUST DO?" 30 seconds after that, I was shaking so hard I felt like I was going to lose the grip on the wheel. A mile down the road from that, I said, "God, I need help. And I can't EVER do that kind of thing again." And through sheer willpower and fear, I was able from that moment on capable of reining it in. Took some willpower, but I got that under control. Because I could live with the thought of killing myself, but not an innocent person.

Third and final wake up call came a week or so later, a day or two after the mass shooting at the Sikh temple in Wisconsin. I received a number of angry, irate phone calls from a client who is severely mentally ill and has serious drug and alcohol problems. At one point, because I couldn't do what he wanted, which was completely irrational, he started to threaten to "come down there and blow your fucking head off." And I took about 20 phone calls that afternoon from him where he threatened to shoot me. And something about my background, my father was seriously mentally ill, and as a teenager he had pointed a gun at me on more than a handful of occasions with the same kind of threat. So, when this happened, I actually did try to hold it together at work, but I lost it on the way home, pulled over into the parking lot of a Lowe's and threw up for 20 minutes. When I finally got home, I paced for over an hour like a caged animal. Something in me snapped, it was the last straw. And actually that night, because I felt so trapped and vulnerable, I did ONE good thing, I decided to take a walk.

Mind you, I'm 47, I was close to 50 lbs overweight that night (now about 40), hadn't done any exercise in at least 3-4 years, and to top it all off, the past year was a disaster health wise. I hadn't gone to the doctor for a number of years. Gained at least half of my weight in just the past 10 months due to drinking Mt. Dew, Coke, and Pepsi nonstop, but eating practically nothing, certainly nothing healthy. So, I thought maybe I could walk half I mile. Ended up doing a couple, and it helped the stress tremendously. Within a week/10 days, I was walking 4-5 miles in the morning, and 2-3 in the evening every day.

Well, I will just nutshell it now, because I could go on for hours with details. I did some research online, found a psychiatrist locally, and went to see her. Started treatment on a mood stabilizing drug and am currently in a short term "day program" at a large Detroit area hospital. Had a really, really bumpy August and early September, mostly due to fears of what all of this meant for my future. Hanging by a thread at work, but at least hanging on for now. And one big thing, I have kept up with the exercise, and that feels so good, sometimes it feels like the only good thing in my life right now. That in and of itself was a little tough -- I was walking so much I ended up in the ER with a left food that was basically one giant, blistered, open wound, over half of the surface area of the bottom of my foot was either raw or blistered. Then I had to follow up with a podiatrist, who looked at me like I was crazy for doing this to myself. Well, I didn't tell him all of this, but basically, he got it right, LOL.

So, I got my bike down from the hook on the garage wall where I hung it up 21 years ago, November 1991, took it to a local bike shop, had them do a major fixup/maintenance, and started riding. I'm now doing around 8-10 miles both morning and evening, and last friday night I had my longest ride yet, 15.67 miles. That all feels pretty awesome. Not losing ANY weight now, which is frustrating, I've had problems eating much, have been getting like 800 calories a day which is slowing my metabolism. So total weigh loss so far has been around 10 lbs. But I see tremendous other benefits, my stamina and strength are much improved, my breathing is better, endurance is better.

I won't sugar coat this for anyone, this has been the most embarrassing, degrading, dehumanizing experience of my life in some ways, from facing the things I did driving to having to check myself into a psychiatric program. But I'm glad I did it. I could have chosen to allow this to consume me. I chose to fight back against my abnormal neurobiology. I am also in process of getting my physical health issues back under control and management, including going back to neurologist to deal with currently untreated severe sleep apnea.

Take care of yourself, guys, no one else can do it for you. And it's just NOT worth it to let your health go to Hell. May seem like the easier route at the time, but it WILL come back to bite you on the ass big time.

 

lumberjack_jeff

(33,224 posts)
11. I'm a strong believer in the power of exercise to cure.
Mon Sep 17, 2012, 11:08 AM
Sep 2012

If weight isn't coming off as quickly as you'd like, find another metric of success. Time your bike ride, add more hills to your walk, count push-ups.

The bathroom scale isn't the only useful gauge. Muscle is more dense than fat, aerobic exercise adds muscle mass slowly, but improves your cardiovascular capacity. I wouldn't expect your total weight to change very quickly - and it arguably shouldn't. As your strength returns, try doing some weights. Muscle mass is the engine that burns fat.

Denninmi

(6,581 posts)
14. Thanks. I'm definitely thinking ahead a couple of months.
Mon Sep 17, 2012, 12:13 PM
Sep 2012

Michigan in winter is not generally conducive to exercise. Been looking online at gyms/fitness centers. Never did that except in school, when I hated it, but if I want to be there would be different.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
16. If you have space, an exercycle can be an excellent investment
Mon Sep 17, 2012, 01:06 PM
Sep 2012

Thing with the gym, at least for me, is, you have to go, theres that whole mental trip of Finding the time, getting the gym lothes.. Then you feel stupid if you havent been in a while...

Something like an exercycle, its right there at home.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
13. Hey, man, I don't know all that much from bipolar, but I do believe that neurochemistry, diet,
Mon Sep 17, 2012, 11:55 AM
Sep 2012

exercise, etc. are tightly interrelated in many cases; I know myself, personally- when my blood sugar is low, in particular, I become a raging asshole (and start posting on DU! Explains a lot.) I'm familiar enough with my own physiology that I can recognize it when it starts to happen; although it always feels like there's a "good" reason to be pissed off (and there is- reason being, I need to eat something!)

When I was younger, I ate like crap, lots of processed sugar, etc. Alcohol, also, converts to sugar in the bloodstream as you know.. all this leads to big sugar crashes, ups and downs- a balanced diet, exercise, general improvements in taking care of myself have gone a LONG way towards stabilizing that pattern, so it's not nearly as bad as it used to be. Exercise, regular exercise, is crucial and can do wonders for the general state of mind.

If you keep at it with the exercise and combine that with some dietary stuff, I bet you'll see weight loss, too. Good luck.

kdmorris

(5,649 posts)
17. Sorry to intrude, but just want to say
Fri Sep 21, 2012, 08:02 AM
Sep 2012

I'm terribly sorry to hear this. I hope you continue to improve and get stronger every day. I'm glad that you survived.

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