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Demeter

(85,373 posts)
Fri Feb 17, 2012, 08:14 PM Feb 2012

Weekend Economists Wild, Wild, World Roundup February 17-19, 2012

So, here we are, still contemplating the wealth of nations. What makes a nation wealthy?

1) Natural resources

The soil, the minerals under it, the quality and quantity of the water and the air, the ecosystem (plant and animal), the climate, the configuration of the land (remember "no defensible borders" Poland!), the tendency to earthquake, wildfire, drought, tornado and hurricane, blizzard, or other natural disaster, the solar irradiation and the prevailing winds and the running water for energy. The natural beauty of the land, a source of pleasure for its people and visitors alike. The capacity for abundance of food, fiber, wood, other renewables.

2) The human population

Their health, education, degree of gullibility, capacity for empathy and community-building, willingness to demand and follow a rule of law, ability to function alone and in groups, and capacity to defer gratification and live in moderation. The ability to know right from wrong, and insist on the right. The ability to protect and maintain the natural resources, to live in peace with neighbors, and to choose cooperation over competition. The willingness to accept and rejoice in commonalities, and delight in differences. CREATIVITY! AND PROBLEM-SOLVING ABILITY! UNWILLINGNESS TO WASTE TIME OR RESOURCES OR PEOPLE!

3) The social organizations (or lack thereof) and how well they serve the people and the nation.

Based on these criteria, we are a rapidly declining nation, perhaps not yet as bad as some, but much less than we were.




Funny, I don't see any mention of "Finance" in the above. Nor do I see any explicitly specified "Corporations".

OR "MONEY".

OTHER FORMS OF WEALTH FOR A NATION: STRUCTURES--THE GREAT AND THE SMALL- FOR SHELTER, FOR CEREMONY, FOR HISTORICAL STUDY...AND INVENTIONS, AND ART: THE FRUITS OF GENIUS AND/OR COLLECTIVE EFFORT.

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Weekend Economists Wild, Wild, World Roundup February 17-19, 2012 (Original Post) Demeter Feb 2012 OP
NO BANK FAILURES THIS WEEKEND Demeter Feb 2012 #1
Court Overturns Conviction of Ex-Goldman Programmer Demeter Feb 2012 #2
ha,,,,,,,,,thanks n/t Celebration Feb 2012 #19
Very interesting indeed. dixiegrrrrl Feb 2012 #53
When Models Trump Common Sense Demeter Feb 2012 #3
Bill Gates pressures Obama over new mining and energy anti-corruption laws Demeter Feb 2012 #4
Anarchism Is Not What You Think It Is -- And There's a Whole Lot We Can Learn from It Demeter Feb 2012 #5
KROPOTKIN'S COLLECTED WORKS Demeter Feb 2012 #6
Wow..that IS a tresure chest of goodies. dixiegrrrrl Feb 2012 #54
Musical Interlude hamerfan Feb 2012 #7
Good Choice! Demeter Feb 2012 #10
Does College Make Us Less Equipped to Change the World? Demeter Feb 2012 #8
Of course, the hope at one time was snot Feb 2012 #34
Moyers: Meet the Shameless Plutocrats Choking What's Left of Our Democracy Demeter Feb 2012 #9
5 Brave Religious Leaders Who Fought Christian Theocracy in America Demeter Feb 2012 #11
Noam Chomsky: The Decline of American Empire (Part 2) Demeter Feb 2012 #12
Ben Franklin was already worried pscot Feb 2012 #16
Severe Conservative Syndrome By PAUL KRUGMAN Demeter Feb 2012 #13
Musical Interlude hamerfan Feb 2012 #14
Another excellent choice! Demeter Feb 2012 #20
Why Going 'Back To Normal' Is No Longer An Option for the American Economy -- And Where We're Headed Demeter Feb 2012 #15
The Book of Jobs By Joseph E. Stiglitz Demeter Feb 2012 #17
Goodnight for now, see you Saturday! Demeter Feb 2012 #18
Runaway Greed Is Destroying America: Should There Be a Lid on How Much Someone Can Make? Demeter Feb 2012 #21
Don’t Tax the Rich. Tax Inequality Itself. Demeter Feb 2012 #22
How Does the 1 Percent Exploit America? Find Out in One Minute (Videos) Demeter Feb 2012 #24
This is a "modest" proposal - a `la Swift bread_and_roses Feb 2012 #35
Four Recent Victories Signal Hard Truth About Rebuilding Labor Movement Demeter Feb 2012 #23
In Europe, Great Depression Was Bad; This Is Worse by: Paul Krugman Demeter Feb 2012 #25
Capitalism, the Infernal Machine: An Interview With Fredric Jameson Demeter Feb 2012 #26
Why Our Currency Will Fail cmartenson Demeter Feb 2012 #27
PART 2: Surviving a Currency Crisis Demeter Feb 2012 #28
I STILL have difficulty watching the "disbelief and inaction" dixiegrrrrl Feb 2012 #56
Have a good Saturday...see you soon! Post Music! Post News! Post Commentary! Demeter Feb 2012 #29
nice and sunny morning! xchrom Feb 2012 #30
It is really pretty in Ohio today! DemReadingDU Feb 2012 #31
I have no hope. I see no future. Hotler Feb 2012 #32
+++ DemReadingDU Feb 2012 #36
Goldman reportedly delays samurai bond due to possible downgrade xchrom Feb 2012 #33
"Samurai" is better than "Kamikazi" Demeter Feb 2012 #42
China Cuts Bank Reserve Reqs; Exports ’Grim’ xchrom Feb 2012 #37
Musical Interlude hamerfan Feb 2012 #38
Right-on! n/t Hotler Feb 2012 #39
Excellent animated documentary about the unsustainability of our world DemReadingDU Feb 2012 #40
Musical Interlude hamerfan Feb 2012 #41
Farage, and interesting voice Po_d Mainiac Feb 2012 #43
Truer words were never spoken Demeter Feb 2012 #60
Musical Interlude hamerfan Feb 2012 #44
Musical Interlude hamerfan Feb 2012 #45
Musical Interlude hamerfan Feb 2012 #46
rainy this morning -- probably gonna turn to snow...can't put 2 nice days in a row together xchrom Feb 2012 #47
ECB 'played role' in Irish crisis xchrom Feb 2012 #48
Egypt-U.S. Rift May Imperil IMF Funding as Reserves Threaten Currency Run xchrom Feb 2012 #49
The Unvarnished Truth About Corporations from Dilbert Demeter Feb 2012 #50
Yesterday, My 93-year-old client remarked to me: Demeter Feb 2012 #51
Another "modest" proposal for the wealth of our nation bread_and_roses Feb 2012 #52
Iran Oil Ministry: Exports cut to Britain, France xchrom Feb 2012 #55
WOW Demeter Feb 2012 #61
You're the only person - other than me - who xchrom Feb 2012 #65
Japan, China to coordinate on IMF efforts on euro zone xchrom Feb 2012 #57
The gods of technology have cascaded upon me Demeter Feb 2012 #58
the Laundromat is outrageous DemReadingDU Feb 2012 #59
Thank you! Thank you all! Demeter Feb 2012 #62
Thank you, Demeter! hamerfan Feb 2012 #63
I don't know about sanity, but we do try for truth Demeter Feb 2012 #67
Big weekend developments in China and Europe girl gone mad Feb 2012 #64
Since Monday is a Legal Holiday for SOME People Demeter Feb 2012 #66
are our Limosine Liberals getting scared of the simmering hoi polloi? bread_and_roses Feb 2012 #68
All of my money, time and energy now goes to the Occupy movement. girl gone mad Feb 2012 #69
 

Demeter

(85,373 posts)
2. Court Overturns Conviction of Ex-Goldman Programmer
Fri Feb 17, 2012, 08:26 PM
Feb 2012
http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2012/02/17/court-overturns-conviction-of-ex-goldman-programmer/?src=dlbksb

A federal appeals court reversed the conviction late Thursday of Sergey Aleynikov, a former Goldman Sachs programmer found guilty of stealing proprietary code from the bank’s high-frequency trading platform. The United States Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit overturned the conviction and ordered the trial court to enter a judgment of acquittal. A judgment of acquittal generally bars the government from retrying a defendant.

The reversal was without explanation; it said an opinion would follow “in due course.”

The appeals court ruling came just hours after a three-judge panel heard oral arguments on Mr. Aleynikov’s appeal. Mr. Aleynikov, who was convicted in December 2010, is serving an eight-year sentence at a federal prison in Fort Dix, N.J. “We are pleased and gratified that the court of appeals has roundly rejected the government’s attempt to rewrite the federal criminal laws,” said Kevin Marino, Mr. Aleynikov’s lawyer. “Mr. Aleynikov spent a year in prison and suffered many other losses as a result of these unjust charges, but he never lost faith in his ability to win an acquittal. This is a wonderful day in his life.”

The reversal deals a major blow to the Justice Department, which has made the prosecution of high-tech crime and intellectual property theft a top priority. This case tested the boundaries of the Economic Espionage Act, a 15-year-old law that makes it a crime to steal trade secrets. Federal prosecutors held up the arrest of Mr. Aleynikov as an example of the government’s crackdown on employees who steal valuable and proprietary information from their employers...The decision is also a loss for Goldman Sachs, which reported Mr. Aleynikov to federal authorities after it accused him of stealing computer code. The bank had portrayed itself as the victim of a brazen crime.

A crucial issue in the appeal — and a main focus of Thursday’s oral argument — was whether Mr. Aleynikov’s actions constituted a crime under the statutory language of the Economic Espionage Act. The debate centered on whether Goldman’s high frequency trading system was a “product produced for interstate commerce” within the meaning of the law. Lawyers for Mr. Aleynikov argued that the bank’s trading platform was built for internal use and never placed in the stream of commerce. The government countered that the high-frequency trading system, which Goldman used to trade in markets around the globe, was clearly produced for interstate and foreign commerce...

VERRRRY INTERESTING!
 

Demeter

(85,373 posts)
3. When Models Trump Common Sense
Fri Feb 17, 2012, 08:30 PM
Feb 2012
http://timiacono.com/index.php/2012/02/16/when-models-trump-common-sense/

More evidence that U.S. economists are particularly ill-suited to run the U.S. economy comes via the fascinating exchange in recent days between St. Louis Federal Reserve President James Bullard and a small army of bloggers with PhDs in economics, nearly all of the latter ganging up on Bullard after he suggested that the “output gap” theory for what ails the U.S. economy may be fundamentally flawed and that attempts to boost overall demand to close that gap through freakishly low interest rates and other super accommodative Federal Reserve policies might end up doing more harm than good.

Bullard threw a cat amongst the pigeons in this speech(.pdf) when he noted the following:

The recent recession has given rise to the idea that there is a very large “output gap” in the U.S. The story is that this large output gap is “keeping inflation at bay” and is fodder for keeping nominal interest rates near zero into an indefinite future. If we continue using this interpretation of events, it may be very difficult for the U.S. to ever move off of the zero lower bound on nominal interest rates. This could be a looming disaster for the United States. I want to now turn to argue that the large output gap view may be conceptually inappropriate in the current situation. We may do better to replace it with the notion of a permanent, one-time shock to wealth.

Recall that I’ve railed on this subject a number of occasions over the years, the last time being this offering from about six months ago when it was noted:

The theory posits that it is not important what level of overall demand an economy has reached or how it got there, but that, when all the wheels fall off the wagon as they did back in 2008, the imperative is for the government to somehow restore that level of demand. Otherwise, you get another Great Depression.

It makes no difference if, back in 2005, people making $40,000 a year were buying no money down $500,000 homes and then, after the home’s value went up to $600,000 in 2006, pulling out their $100,000 in brand new home equity to put in a pool, buy a motor home, and install big screen TVs in every room of the house because, once you reach a certain level of demand and it begins to drop like a rock because everyone has become indebted up to their eyeballs, it must be restored.

At that point, it simply becomes a question of how much taxes must be cut or how much money must be borrowed or printed to accomplish that goal.


Of course, I don’t have any models to back up the contention that an unusually large portion of economic output we saw in the middle of the last decade was “artificial” due to the housing bubble, but economists do have models, and that’s the crux of the problem. As Bullard noted, the models economists use to determine the “potential” of the U.S. economy, in essence, extrapolates from the pre-2007 period to the post housing bubble period and, as a result, you end up with a big gap between potential and actual output that policy makers are now seeking to close by borrowing and printing money on a scale never before witnessed by Mankind. For those of you preferring pictures to words, the chart below by Neil Irwin from this neat little interactive graphic at the Washington Post might be helpful.



Being more detached from reality than the population at large, economists seem to prefer the idea of debating ways to close the gap that has developed in recent years rather than thinking about whether the output gap even makes sense as Bullard has suggested. The failure to deal with the real world rather than how that reality is reflected in models and the reluctance to venture outside of their analytical comfort zone to embrace common sense (as Bullard clearly has) have clearly produced yet another example where models – whether they’re good, bad, or indifferent – rule.

MUCH MORE AT LINK
 

Demeter

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4. Bill Gates pressures Obama over new mining and energy anti-corruption laws
Fri Feb 17, 2012, 08:35 PM
Feb 2012
http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2012/feb/16/bill-gates-pressures-obama-energy-legislation

Billionaire philanthropist writes to SEC over concerns that major US companies are trying to water down legislation aimed at stamping out corruption in developing countries...Bill Gates wants the US to be the standard bearer in the fight against corruption.

AND PEOPLE SAY I'M A DREAMER...
 

Demeter

(85,373 posts)
5. Anarchism Is Not What You Think It Is -- And There's a Whole Lot We Can Learn from It
Fri Feb 17, 2012, 08:42 PM
Feb 2012
http://www.alternet.org/story/154126/anarchism_is_not_what_you_think_it_is_--_and_there%27s_a_whole_lot_we_can_learn_from_it?page=entire

The word anarchism has been so stripped of substance that it has come to be equated with chaos and nihilism. That's not what it means...I am astonished Hollywood has yet to discover Kropotkin. For his life is the stuff of great movies. Born to privilege he spent his life fighting poverty and injustice. A lifelong revolutionary, he was also a world-renowned geographer and zoologist. Indeed, the intersection of politics and science characterized much of his life. His struggles against tyranny resulted in years in Russian and French jails. The first time he was imprisoned in Russia an outcry by many of the world’s best-known scholars led to his release. The second time he engineered a spectacular escape and fled the country. At the end of his life, back in his native Russia, he enthusiastically supported the overthrow of the Tsar but equally strongly condemned Lenin’s increasingly authoritarian and violent methods.

In the 1920s Roger N. Baldwin summed up Kropotkin this way.

“Kropotkin is referred to by scores of people who knew him in all walks of life as "the noblest man" they ever knew. Oscar Wilde called him one of the two really happy men he had ever met…In the anarchist movement he was held in the deepest affection by thousands--"notre Pierre" the French workers called him. Never assuming position of leadership, he nevertheless led by the moral force of his personality and the breadth of his intellect. He combined in extraordinary measure high qualities of character with a fine mind and passionate social feeling. His life made a deep impression on a great range of classes--the whole scientific world, the Russian revolutionary movement, the radical movements of all schools, and in the literary world which cared little or nothing for science or revolution.”


For our purposes Kropotkin’s most enduring legacy is his work on anarchism, a philosophy of which he was possibly the leading exponent. He came to the view that society was heading in the wrong direction and identifying the right direction using the same scientific method that had led him to shock the geography profession by proving that the existing maps of Asia had the mountains running in the wrong direction.

The precipitating event that led Kropotkin to embrace anarchism was the publication of Charles Darwin’s Origin of the Species in 1859. While Darwin’s thesis that we are descended from the apes was highly controversial, his thesis that natural selection involved a “survival of the fittest” through a violent struggle between and among species was enthusiastically adopted by the 1% of the day to justify every social inequity as an inevitable byproduct of the struggle for existence. Andrew Carnegie insisted that the “law” of competition is “best for the race because it insures the survival of the fittest in every department.” “We accept and welcome great inequality (and) the concentration of business…in the hands of a few.” The planet's richest man, John D. Rockefeller, bluntly asserted, "The growth of a large business is merely a survival of the fittest…the working out of a law of nature.”

In response to a widely distributed essay by Thomas Huxley in The Nineteenth Century, “The Struggle for Existence in Human Society,” Kropotkin wrote a series of articles for the same magazine that were later published as the book Mutual Aid. He found the view of the social Darwinists contradicted by his own empirical research. After five years examining wildlife in Siberia, Kropotkin wrote, “I failed to find – although I was eagerly looking for it – that bitter struggle for the means of existence…which was considered by most Darwinists…as the dominant characteristic – and the main factory of evolution.” Kropotkin honored Darwin’s insights about natural selection but believed the governing principle of natural selection was cooperation, not competition. The fittest were those who cooperated.

“The animal species, in which individual struggle has been reduced to its narrowest limits, and the practice of mutual aid has attained the greatest development, are invariably the most numerous, the most prosperous, and the most open to further progress. … The unsociable species, on the contrary, are doomed to decay.”


He spent the rest of his life promoting that concept and the theory of social structure known as anarchism. To Americans anarchism is synonymous with a lack of order. But to Kropotkin anarchist societies don’t lack order but the order emerges from rules designed by those who feel their impact, rules that encourage humanly scaled production systems and maximize individual freedom and social cohesion. In his article on Anarchy in the 1910 Encyclopedia Britannica Kropotkin defines anarchism as a society “without government – harmony in such a society being obtained, not by submission to law, or by obedience to any authority, but by free agreements concluded between the various groups, territorial and professional, freely constituted for the sake of production and consumption…”

MUCH MORE AT LINK
 

Demeter

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8. Does College Make Us Less Equipped to Change the World?
Fri Feb 17, 2012, 08:48 PM
Feb 2012
http://www.alternet.org/story/154091/does_college_make_us_less_equipped_to_change_the_world?page=entire

WELL, GIVEN THAT CHANGING THE WORLD IS NOT PART OF THE PURPOSE, NOR THE CURRICULUM, UNLESS ONE STUDIES SCIENCE AND TECHNOLOGY, OR GETS RECRUITED BY THE CIA OR SUCH....

...those of us who’ve made it through college are encouraged to feel like we’re something special. And it’s no doubt true that a university education confers certain intellectual (if not always economic) advantages. By the time you’re handed your BA or BS, you’ve sharpened your critical thinking skills; have learned to see big pictures; can write a decent essay on command; don’t feel lost in a museum, library or concert hall; and might even know enough of a second language to navigate the subway and get yourself to the nearest hostel. Furthermore: it’s called “liberal education” these days because generally, the more of it you have, the more liberal you tend to be.

All good and worthy stuff. But the more time I spend around political progressives, the more convinced I am that when it comes to doing good retail politics, our fancy educations get in the way almost as often as they help us. Specifically, there are things we picked up back at the Old U — biases, preferences, habits of mind — that are so reflexive we long ago lost any awareness of them, but that we’re constantly tripping over whenever we try to present our ideas to the rest of the country.

It sounds weird and counterintuitive, but in my work with progressive organizations, I’ve noticed some specific ways in which the kind of thinking we learned in our classrooms actually makes us kinda dumb politically. Here are a few places college grads often seem to get led astray by their own educations....

snot

(10,529 posts)
34. Of course, the hope at one time was
Sat Feb 18, 2012, 12:24 PM
Feb 2012

that the majority would join the college-educated, or learn to think more like them.

But I agree, p.r. techniques are whupping us, and we're fools if we neglect them.

 

Demeter

(85,373 posts)
9. Moyers: Meet the Shameless Plutocrats Choking What's Left of Our Democracy
Fri Feb 17, 2012, 08:53 PM
Feb 2012
http://www.alternet.org/story/154137/moyers%3A_meet_the_shameless_plutocrats_choking_what%27s_left_of_our_democracy?page=entire

Watching what’s happening to our democracy is like watching the cruise ship Costa Concordia founder and sink slowly into the sea off the coast of Italy, as the passengers, shorn of life vests, scramble for safety as best they can, while the captain trips and falls conveniently into a waiting life boat.

We are drowning here, with gaping holes torn into the hull of the ship of state from charges detonated by the owners and manipulators of capital. Their wealth has become a demonic force in politics. Nothing can stop them. Not the law, which has been written to accommodate them. Not scrutiny -- they have no shame. Not a decent respect for the welfare of others -- the people without means, their safety net shredded, left helpless before events beyond their control.

The obstacles facing the millennial generation didn’t just happen. Take an economy skewed to the top, low wages and missing jobs, predatory interest rates on college loans: these are politically engineered consequences of government of, by, and for the one percent. So, too, is our tax code the product of money and politics, influence and favoritism, lobbyists and the laws they draft for rented politicians to enact.

Here’s what we’re up against. Read it and weep: “America’s Plutocrats Play the Political Ponies.” That’s a headline in “Too Much,” an Internet publication from the Institute for Policy Studies that describes itself as “an online weekly on excess and inequality.” Yes, the results are in and our elections have replaced horse racing as the sport of kings. Only these kings aren’t your everyday poobahs and potentates. These kings are multi-billionaire, corporate moguls who by the divine right, not of God, but the United States Supreme Court and its Citizens United decision, are now buying politicians like so much pricey horseflesh. All that money pouring into super PACs, much of it from secret sources: merely an investment, should their horse pay off in November, in the best government money can buy...
 

Demeter

(85,373 posts)
11. 5 Brave Religious Leaders Who Fought Christian Theocracy in America
Fri Feb 17, 2012, 09:04 PM
Feb 2012
http://www.alternet.org/story/154125/5_brave_religious_leaders_who_fought_christian_theocracy_in_america?page=entire

...

1) Roger Williams: The founder of Rhode Island was an iconoclastic preacher who absolutely hated the idea of combining church and state. Williams, a Puritan minister in Massachusetts, was either exceedingly brave or exceedingly foolish (or possibly both). In one case, he went on the warpath after he got wind of the General Court’s plan to require every member of the colony to take a loyalty oath to the governor ending in the phrase, “So help me, God.” According to Williams, it was dangerous to force a man to swear a religious oath. “A magistrate ought not to tender an oath to an unregenerate man,” wrote Williams, because it would cause the oath-taker “to take the name of God in vain.” This and other pro-freedom outbursts did not endear Williams to the sour theocrats of Massachusetts. By 1635 the Puritan leaders had had enough of him. The General Court found Williams guilty of “disseminating new and dangerous opinions” and banished him from the colony. Williams was ordered to return to England but fled into the wilderness. He purchased land from some Native Americans and called his settlement Providence. (In the process, he ditched the Puritans and became a Baptist – briefly. Williams remained on a spiritual quest all of his life.) You could always rely on Williams for some powerful rhetoric. “Forced religion stinks in the nostrils of God,” he once declared. In his 1644 treatise, The Bloudy Tenet of Persecution, for Cause of Conscience, Williams warned against opening “a gap in the hedge, or wall of separation, between the garden of the church and the wilderness of the world” – a phrase that anticipated President Thomas Jefferson’s call for a “wall of separation between church and state” by more than 150 years. Williams called for “soul liberty,” and he meant it. In his colony, all who agreed to live in peace were welcome – even those whose religious views Williams personally found distasteful. Williams was no fan of Quakers, but in Providence, members of that denomination worshipped in peace. It was far better than what happened to them in Boston, where they were sometimes hanged.

2) John Leland: This fiery Baptist cleric and friend of Thomas Jefferson's holds a unique distinction in American history: He helped smash state-established churches in three states. A native of Massachusetts, Leland relocated to Virginia where he worked alongside Jefferson and James Madison to end the state church there, mustering powerful arguments and lining up clerical allies. Years later, he returned to Massachusetts and worked for disestablishment in that state, seeing it become a reality in 1833. While living in Massachusetts, he undertook cross-border forays into Connecticut to assist forces there working to end the state church. They were successful in 1818. Leland was a powerful orator who used his pulpit to promote religious liberty for all – and he meant everyone. Unlike many of his contemporaries, Leland insisted that even non-believers should have full rights. In a classic 1791 sermon titled The Rights of Conscience Inalienable, he asserted, “Government has no more to do with the religious opinions of men than it has with the principles of mathematics. Let every man speak freely without fear, maintain the principles that he believes, worship according to his own faith, either one God, three Gods, no God or twenty Gods; and let government protect him in so doing….” A great admirer of the free-thinking Jefferson, Leland in 1801 persuaded members of his church to create a “mammoth cheese” for the president. A reported 900 cows contributed milk to the cheese wheel, which was six feet in diameter, weighed more than half a ton and was inscribed with the words, “REBELLION TO TYRANTS IS OBEDIENCE TO GOD.” Leland spent weeks transporting the cheese from Massachusetts to Washington, presenting it to Jefferson on Jan. 1, 1802. Leland admired Jefferson’s refusal to mix religion and government. He warned his congregants to be wary of political candidates who wore their faith on their sleeves. “Guard against those men who make a great noise about religion in choosing representatives,” he observed. “It is electioneering intrigue. If they knew the nature and worth of religion, they would not debauch it to such shameful purposes.” Other great Leland quotes include: “Persecution, like a lion, tears the saints to death, but leaves Christianity pure; state establishment of religion, like a bear, hugs the saints but corrupts Christianity” and “The notion of a Christian commonwealth should be exploded forever...The liberty I contend for is more than toleration. The very idea of toleration is despicable; it supposes that some have a pre-eminence above the rest to grant indulgence, whereas all should be equally free, Jews, Turks, Pagans and Christians.”

3) Isaac Backus: Would you be willing to go to prison for your right of conscience? Isaac Backus was. A resident of Connecticut, Backus was a colonial-era Congregationalist minister who grew weary of that denomination’s official standing with the state. When church leaders ignored his call for disestablishment, Backus jumped ship to the Baptists. Backus refused to pay the state’s church tax of five pounds. He was repeatedly threatened with arrest and saw members of his own family tossed in jail for refusing to pony up. According to some accounts, Backus was himself arrested and briefly imprisoned. In 1773, Backus penned An Appeal to the Public for Religious Liberty Against the Oppressions of the Present Day in which he asked the pointed question, “Now who can hear Christ declare that his kingdom is, not of this world, and yet believe that this blending of church and state together can be pleasing to him?” Backus moved to Massachusetts in 1748 and protested the church-state union there. He collected accounts of imprisoned Baptists in Massachusetts and never stopped hectoring civil authorities to sever its ties to the Congregational Church. In 1779 and 1780 he argued strongly against retaining provisions in the Massachusetts Constitution that protected the state church. Backus died in 1806 and did not live to see the end of the established church in that state but scholars don’t doubt that his activism played a key role in bringing about disestablishment. Even as he contended for religious liberty, Backus traveled widely spreading his faith to willing ears. Backus was devout, but he was also convinced that true religion was best spread through voluntary channels. The government, he believed, was fallible and capable of making the wrong decision in matters of theology. Backus once observed, referring to two fourth-century Roman emperors, one Christian and the other Pagan, “First they moved Constantine, a secular prince, to draw his sword against heretics; but as all earthly states are changeable, the same sword that Constantine drew against heretics, Julian turned against the orthodox.”

4) Martin Luther King Jr: King will always be best known for his leadership of the civil rights movement. His support for church-state separation is less well known but important. King was an advocate of family planning at a time when it was illegal in many states for even married couples to buy artificial contraceptives. In taking this position, King put himself at odds with powerful, conservative religious groups. When the Supreme Court struck down mandatory, coercive programs of prayer and Bible reading in public schools in 1962 and ’63, many members of the clergy went ballistic. King was not among them. In a January 1965 interview with Playboy magazine, King not only backed what the court did, he noted that his frequent nemesis, Gov. George Wallace of Alabama, stood on the other side.

“I endorse it. I think it was correct,” King said. “Contrary to what many have said, it sought to outlaw neither prayer nor belief in God. In a pluralistic society such as ours, who is to determine what prayer shall be spoken, and by whom? Legally, constitutionally or otherwise, the state certainly has no such right. I am strongly opposed to the efforts that have been made to nullify the decision. They have been motivated, I think, by little more than the wish to embarrass the Supreme Court. When I saw Brother Wallace going up to Washington to testify against the decision at the congressional hearings, it only strengthened my conviction that the decision was right.”

King also insisted that religion and science need not fight. And, in one of his most famous passages, King reminded Americans of the different roles religion and government play in society.

“The church must be reminded that it is not the master or the servant of the state, but rather the conscience of the state,” King observed. “It must be the guide and the critic of the state, and never its tool.”


5) J.M. Dawson: To a lot of people today, the term “Southern Baptist minister” conjures up an image of a red-faced cleric bashing gays, demanding prayer in schools and insisting that dinosaurs traveled on Noah’s Ark. It was not always so. Fundamentalists took over the Southern Baptist Convention in the early 1980s and adopted a series of ultra-conservative views on “culture war” issues. Before that, Baptists were often strong advocates of religious liberty supported by a high, firm church-state wall. Many of their clergy regularly stood as watchmen on that wall. J.M. Dawson was one of them. Dawson, who pastored several Baptist churches in Texas in the early part of the 20th century, championed religious liberty all of his life. Driven by his strong belief that no American should be taxed to pay for religion, he opposed public funding of religious schools and helped found Americans United for Separation of Church and State. In 1945, Dawson lobbied the newly formed United Nations to include religious liberty as a basic human right in its foundational charter. He led the effort to block President Harry Truman’s plan to appoint a U.S. ambassador to the Vatican, killing the plan so solidly that it took 40 years before President Ronald W. Reagan dared resurrect it. (Added bonus: While leading a church in Waco, Dawson prodded pastors to adopt racial reconciliation and blasted the Ku Klux Klan from the pulpit – a stand that won him few fans in 1916.) Today, Baylor University houses the J.M. Dawson Institute of Church-State Studies. Thanks to Dawson’s vision, moderate Southern Baptist remain active and continue to challenge the fundamentalists by embracing the traditional Baptist principle of support for the church-state wall. In Washington, they are led by the Rev. Brent Walker and the Rev. James M. Dunn at the Baptist Joint Committee for Religious Liberty.
 

Demeter

(85,373 posts)
12. Noam Chomsky: The Decline of American Empire (Part 2)
Fri Feb 17, 2012, 09:39 PM
Feb 2012

PART ONE WAS FEATURED IN FRIDAY'S STOCK MARKET WATCH...

http://www.alternet.org/world/154150/noam_chomsky:_the_decline_of_american_empire_%28part_2%29/?page=entire

In the years of conscious, self-inflicted decline at home (IN THE US), “losses” continued to mount elsewhere. In the past decade, for the first time in 500 years, South America has taken successful steps to free itself from western domination, another serious loss. The region has moved towards integration, and has begun to address some of the terrible internal problems of societies ruled by mostly Europeanized elites, tiny islands of extreme wealth in a sea of misery. They have also rid themselves of all U.S. military bases and of IMF controls. A newly formed organization, CELAC, includes all countries of the hemisphere apart from the U.S. and Canada. If it actually functions, that would be another step in American decline, in this case in what has always been regarded as “the backyard.”

Even more serious would be the loss of the MENA countries -- Middle East/North Africa -- which have been regarded by planners since the 1940s as “a stupendous source of strategic power, and one of the greatest material prizes in world history.” Control of MENA energy reserves would yield “substantial control of the world,” in the words of the influential Roosevelt advisor A.A. Berle. To be sure, if the projections of a century of U.S. energy independence based on North American energy resources turn out to be realistic, the significance of controlling MENA would decline somewhat, though probably not by much: the main concern has always been control more than access. However, the likely consequences to the planet’s equilibrium are so ominous that discussion may be largely an academic exercise.

The Arab Spring, another development of historic importance, might portend at least a partial “loss” of MENA. The US and its allies have tried hard to prevent that outcome -- so far, with considerable success. Their policy towards the popular uprisings has kept closely to the standard guidelines: support the forces most amenable to U.S. influence and control. Favored dictators are supported as long as they can maintain control (as in the major oil states). When that is no longer possible, then discard them and try to restore the old regime as fully as possible (as in Tunisia and Egypt). The general pattern is familiar: Somoza, Marcos, Duvalier, Mobutu, Suharto, and many others. In one case, Libya, the three traditional imperial powers intervened by force to participate in a rebellion to overthrow a mercurial and unreliable dictator, opening the way, it is expected, to more efficient control over Libya’s rich resources (oil primarily, but also water, of particular interest to French corporations), to a possible base for the U.S. Africa Command (so far restricted to Germany), and to the reversal of growing Chinese penetration. As far as policy goes, there have been few surprises.

Crucially, it is important to reduce the threat of functioning democracy, in which popular opinion will significantly influence policy. That again is routine, and quite understandable. A look at the studies of public opinion undertaken by U.S. polling agencies in the MENA countries easily explains the western fear of authentic democracy, in which public opinion will significantly influence policy...

pscot

(21,024 posts)
16. Ben Franklin was already worried
Fri Feb 17, 2012, 10:10 PM
Feb 2012

In one of the earliest Federalist papers he frets about a generation too weak or short-sighted to hang onto the Republic. It's human nature to screw up a good thing.

 

Demeter

(85,373 posts)
13. Severe Conservative Syndrome By PAUL KRUGMAN
Fri Feb 17, 2012, 09:45 PM
Feb 2012
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/13/opinion/krugman-severe-conservative-syndrome.html?_r=1&pagewanted=all

...How did American conservatism end up so detached from, indeed at odds with, facts and rationality? For it was not always thus. After all, that health reform Mr. Romney wants us to forget followed a blueprint originally laid out at the Heritage Foundation!

My short answer is that the long-running con game of economic conservatives and the wealthy supporters they serve finally went bad. For decades the G.O.P. has won elections by appealing to social and racial divisions, only to turn after each victory to deregulation and tax cuts for the wealthy — a process that reached its epitome when George W. Bush won re-election by posing as America’s defender against gay married terrorists, then announced that he had a mandate to privatize Social Security.
 

Demeter

(85,373 posts)
20. Another excellent choice!
Sat Feb 18, 2012, 07:49 AM
Feb 2012

I'm embarrassed to admit I'd never heard that one before...but given how many songs Lennon wrote, it's not impossible.

 

Demeter

(85,373 posts)
15. Why Going 'Back To Normal' Is No Longer An Option for the American Economy -- And Where We're Headed
Fri Feb 17, 2012, 10:10 PM
Feb 2012
http://www.alternet.org/story/154056/why_going_%27back_to_normal%27_is_no_longer_an_option_for_the_american_economy_--_and_where_we%27re_headed_now?page=entire

Former IMF chief economist Joseph Stiglitz has a message for everybody who's sitting around waiting for the economy to "get back to normal."

Stop waiting. ‘Cause that train’s gone, and it ain’t coming back. And the sooner we accept that “normal,” as post WWII America knew and loved it, will not be an option in this century, the sooner we’ll get ourselves moving forward on the path toward a new kind of prosperity. The only real question now is: What future awaits us on the other side of the coming shift?

In a don't-miss article in this month’s Vanity Fair, Stiglitz argues that our current economic woes are the result of a deep structural shift in the economy — a once-in-a-lifetime phase change that happens whenever the foundations of an old economic order are disrupted, and a new basis of wealth creation comes forward to take its place. The last time this happened was in the 1920s and 1930s, when a US economy that was built on farm output became the victim of its own success. Advances in farming led to a food glut. As food prices plummeted, farmers had less money to spend. This, in turn, depressed manufacturing and led to job losses in the cities, too. Land values in both places declined, impoverishing families and trapping them in place.

We remember this as the Great Depression. It lingered until the government stepped in — largely through the war effort — with unprecedented education, housing, transportation, and research investments that created new pathways for all those surplus farmers to come in off the farm, for the factory hands to get back to work, and for both groups to move into the modern industrial middle-class.

Stiglitz thinks that we’re going through much the same kind of process again now, as the postwar manufacturing-based economy that saved us 80 years ago moves offshore, leaving our manufacturing workforce just as surplus and idle as those 1920s farmers were. In his view, the current phase shift is taking us away from industry-as-we’ve-known-it, and on into an economy that will have us relying more and more on many different kinds of knowledge work. (This isn't a new thesis; Daniel Bell was writing about it back in 1973.) But Stiglitz goes on to point out that because people are misunderstanding the moment, we're investing in the wrong things...

 

Demeter

(85,373 posts)
17. The Book of Jobs By Joseph E. Stiglitz
Fri Feb 17, 2012, 10:13 PM
Feb 2012
http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/2012/01/stiglitz-depression-201201

...Even when we fully repair the banking system, we’ll still be in deep trouble—because we were already in deep trouble. That seeming golden age of 2007 was far from a paradise. Yes, America had many things about which it could be proud. Companies in the information-technology field were at the leading edge of a revolution. But incomes for most working Americans still hadn’t returned to their levels prior to the previous recession. The American standard of living was sustained only by rising debt—debt so large that the U.S. savings rate had dropped to near zero. And “zero” doesn’t really tell the story. Because the rich have always been able to save a significant percentage of their income, putting them in the positive column, an average rate of close to zero means that everyone else must be in negative numbers. (Here’s the reality: in the years leading up to the recession, according to research done by my Columbia University colleague Bruce Greenwald, the bottom 80 percent of the American population had been spending around 110 percent of its income.) What made this level of indebtedness possible was the housing bubble, which Alan Greenspan and then Ben Bernanke, chairmen of the Federal Reserve Board, helped to engineer through low interest rates and nonregulation—not even using the regulatory tools they had. As we now know, this enabled banks to lend and households to borrow on the basis of assets whose value was determined in part by mass delusion.

The fact is the economy in the years before the current crisis was fundamentally weak, with the bubble, and the unsustainable consumption to which it gave rise, acting as life support. Without these, unemployment would have been high. It was absurd to think that fixing the banking system could by itself restore the economy to health. Bringing the economy back to “where it was” does nothing to address the underlying problems.

The trauma we’re experiencing right now resembles the trauma we experienced 80 years ago, during the Great Depression, and it has been brought on by an analogous set of circumstances. Then, as now, we faced a breakdown of the banking system. But then, as now, the breakdown of the banking system was in part a consequence of deeper problems. Even if we correctly respond to the trauma—the failures of the financial sector—it will take a decade or more to achieve full recovery. Under the best of conditions, we will endure a Long Slump. If we respond incorrectly, as we have been, the Long Slump will last even longer, and the parallel with the Depression will take on a tragic new dimension....
 

Demeter

(85,373 posts)
21. Runaway Greed Is Destroying America: Should There Be a Lid on How Much Someone Can Make?
Sat Feb 18, 2012, 07:56 AM
Feb 2012
http://www.alternet.org/story/154088/runaway_greed_is_destroying_america%3A_should_there_be_a_lid_on_how_much_someone_can_make?page=entire

...we take the idea of a minimum wage for granted....Social decency, most Americans today would agree, demands a minimum wage, a floor that keeps working people out of dire privation. Does social decency also demand a “maximum wage,” an income ceiling that discourages wealth from dangerously concentrating? Philosopher Felix Adler certainly thought so. We remember Adler today as the tireless reformer who led the national effort to end child labor in the early 1900s. Adler also founded the Ethical Culture movement and introduced the kindergarten concept into American education. Much less well known: Adler advanced America’s first serious maximum wage proposal.

The exploitation of workers young and old, Adler believed, generated grand private fortunes that exerted a “corrupting influence” on American politics. To curb that corruption, he proposed a steeply graduated income tax — with a 100 percent top rate at the point “when a certain high and abundant sum has been reached, amply sufficient for all the comforts and true refinements of life.” This 100 percent top rate, Adler told a packed 1880 lecture hall in New York City, would leave with the wealthy individual “all that he can truly use for the humane purposes of life” and tax away “only that which is to him merely a means of pomp and pride and power.”

The New York Times would give Felix Adler’s call for an income maximum widespread circulation, but the notion of a maximum wage wouldn’t take a specific legislative form until World War I, when progressives demanded a 100 percent tax on all income over $100,000 to help finance the war effort. The group backing this $100,000 income limit, the American Committee on War Finance. would assemble a network of 2,000 volunteers and publish clip-out ads in daily newspapers across the country that readers could sign to “pledge” their support. Americans who signed the Committee pledge were committing themselves “to further the prompt enactment into law” of the boldest tax-the-rich proposal any American political grouping had ever promoted. They were demanding a fixed limit on income, what the Committee would call “a conscription of wealth.”

“If the government has a right to confiscate one man's life for public purposes,” Committee on War Finance chairman Amos Pinchot, a progressive New York attorney, declared, “it certainly ought to have the right to confiscate another man's wealth for the same purposes.”
The richest 2 percent of Americans, Pinchot would testify to Congress, owned an incredible 65 percent of America’s wealth. “Neither the United States nor any other country can carry on a war which will make the world safe for democracy and the plutocracy at the same time,” Pinchot would note to lawmakers. “If the war is to serve God, it cannot serve Mammon.” Amos Pinchot and his fellow progressives would not, in the end, win the 100 percent top tax rate they were seeking. But by war’s end their campaign had totally changed the tenor of America’s political discourse on taxes. The nation’s top tax rate on income over $1 million, just 7 percent in 1914, would hurdle to 77 percent in 1918...

MORE...WHY DON'T WE EVER HEAR ABOUT THESE PEOPLE IN HISTORY CLASS?

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Sam Pizzigati, an associate fellow at the Institute for Policy Studies in Washington, D.C., edits Too Much, on online weekly on excess and inequality. His new book, The Rich Don’t Always Win: The forgotten triumph over plutocracy, 1900-1970, that created the classic American middle class (Seven Stories Press), will appear after the 2012 elections.


 

Demeter

(85,373 posts)
22. Don’t Tax the Rich. Tax Inequality Itself.
Sat Feb 18, 2012, 08:00 AM
Feb 2012
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/19/opinion/dont-tax-the-rich-tax-inequality-itself.html?_r=1

THE progressive reformer and eminent jurist Louis D. Brandeis once said, “We may have democracy, or we may have wealth concentrated in the hands of a few, but we cannot have both.” Brandeis lived at a time when enormous disparities between the rich and the poor led to violent labor unrest and ultimately to a reform movement.

Over the last three decades, income inequality has again soared to the sort of levels that alarmed Brandeis. In 1980, the wealthiest 1 percent of Americans made 9.1 percent of our nation’s pre-tax income; by 2006 that share had risen to 18.8 percent — slightly higher than when Brandeis joined the Supreme Court in 1916.

Congress might have countered this increased concentration but, instead, tax changes have exacerbated the trend: in after-tax dollars, our wealthiest 1 percent over this same period went from receiving 7.7 percent to 16.3 percent of our nation’s income.

What we call the Brandeis Ratio — the ratio of the average income of the nation’s richest 1 percent to the median household income — has skyrocketed since Ronald Reagan took office. In 1980 the average 1-percenter made 12.5 times the median income, but in 2006 (the latest year for which data is available) the average income of our richest 1 percent was a whopping 36 times greater than that of the median household...
 

Demeter

(85,373 posts)
24. How Does the 1 Percent Exploit America? Find Out in One Minute (Videos)
Sat Feb 18, 2012, 08:07 AM
Feb 2012

...we’ve created a new video series unmasking those in the 1% who are exploiting the 99%—name by name, fact by fact. Each short video—one minute apiece—lays out the truth about a different tycoon. These aren’t opinions; these are facts, condensed into bite-sized chunks. Occupy has already revealed the country’s widespread outrage at the 1%; now it’s time for the plutocracy’s dirty deeds to be common knowledge.



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MORE AT LINK: http://www.truth-out.org/how-does-1-exploit-america-find-out-1-minute-video/1329436217

bread_and_roses

(6,335 posts)
35. This is a "modest" proposal - a `la Swift
Sat Feb 18, 2012, 12:40 PM
Feb 2012

Calling to maintain the status quo will not suffice. It ignores the simple fact that things are intolerable NOW.

Not to mention that all these articles that focus simply on $$ ignore the dying of the earth under current paradigm. It will not matter what the bank accounts say when we're eating each other.

 

Demeter

(85,373 posts)
23. Four Recent Victories Signal Hard Truth About Rebuilding Labor Movement
Sat Feb 18, 2012, 08:03 AM
Feb 2012
http://www.truth-out.org/4-recent-victories-signal-hard-truth-about-rebuilding-labor-movement/1329500681

For the first time in my journalism career, during one week I wrote four stories about workers winning tough fights. The victories include GE and Cablevision workers unionizing after several failed organizing attempts, the end of the bloody Longview Port longshoremen dispute and the State Department issuing new rules governing student guest workers after last summer's strike by young Hershey foreign workers.

This extraordinarily rare string of victories leads me to believe that despite major attacks on workers’ organizing and collective bargaining rights, unions can take advantage of workers' backlash against these attacks and win big victories. They can still organize.

This is not to say the tide is turning for labor because of the overreach of anti-union forces. During the same period of these small but significant victories for workers, others suffered a number of large defeats. Indiana passed right-to-work legislation aimed at gutting the power of private-sector unions, and Senate Democrats passed a bill rolling back the organizing rights of airline and rail workers.

But the key lesson of these small victories is this: When workers develop individual strategies for their own workplace—rather than rely on grand master plans from union leaders—they're more likely to win. It's to study the GE, Cablevision and the longshoremen union (ILWU) campaign in Longview to understand what works.


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Demeter

(85,373 posts)
25. In Europe, Great Depression Was Bad; This Is Worse by: Paul Krugman
Sat Feb 18, 2012, 08:11 AM
Feb 2012
http://www.truth-out.org/europe-great-depression-was-bad-worse/1329317642

One thing everyone always says is that while this Lesser Depression may be bad, it’s nothing like the Great Depression.

But this is in part an America-centered view: we had a very bad Great Depression, and have done better than many other countries this time around. As Jonathan Portes, director of the National Institute of Economic and Social Research, points out on his blog, “Not the Treasury View,” the ongoing slump in Britain is now longer and deeper than the slump in the 1930s (a chart posted at notthetreasuryview.blogspot.com on Jan. 25 shows how far real gross domestic product was below its previous peak in various British recessions).

I believe that when I began criticizing the Cameron government’s push for austerity, some right-leaning British papers demanded that I shut up. But the original critique of austerity is holding up pretty well, if you ask me...

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Demeter

(85,373 posts)
26. Capitalism, the Infernal Machine: An Interview With Fredric Jameson
Sat Feb 18, 2012, 08:30 AM
Feb 2012
http://www.truth-out.org/capitalism-infernal-machine-interview-fredric-jameson/1329403604

The literary critic and Marxist political theorist, Fredric Jameson, has written Representing Capital: A Reading of Volume One, a book that revisits Karl Marx's most important work, Capital.

On one level it may seem odd evaluating a book almost 150 years old. How much relevance and practical applicability could it have to the world we currently inhabit? Yet to overlook Capital -- as is too often the case -- is to miss its searing critique and keen insight.

It is not coincidental that it addresses key elements of the situation we find ourselves in today: how the rich got so rich, how the poor got so poor and how all the various fixes and proposed solutions are based on the illusion that capitalism can somehow be made to meet the needs of the majority of people and still be capitalism....

INTERVIEW FOLLOWS--GO TO LINK
 

Demeter

(85,373 posts)
27. Why Our Currency Will Fail cmartenson
Sat Feb 18, 2012, 08:46 AM
Feb 2012
http://www.chrismartenson.com/blog/why-currency-fail/70928

The idea that the very same economic forces that are currently plaguing Greece, et al., are somehow not relevant to the United States' circumstances does not hold water. As goes the rest of the world, so goes the US.

When we back up far enough, it is clear that money and debt are there to reflect and be in service to the production of real things by real people, not the other way around. With too much debt relative to production, it is the debt that will suffer. The same is true of money. Neither are magical substances; they are merely markers for real things. When they get out of balance with reality, they lose value, and sometimes even their entire meaning....This report lays out the case that the US is irretrievably down the rabbit hole of deficits and debt, and that, even if there were endless natural resources of increasing quality available at this point, servicing the debt loads and liabilities of the nation will require both austerity and a pretty serious fall in living standards for most people. Of course, the age of cheap oil is over. And as Jim Puplava says, the oil price is the new Fed funds rate, meaning that it is now the price of oil that sets the pace of economic movement, not interest rates established by the Fed.

However, of all the challenges that catch my eye right now, the one most worrisome is the shredding of our national narrative to the point that it no longer makes any sense whatsoever. I'm a big believer that our actions are guided by the stories we tell ourselves. To progress as a society, having a grand vision that aligns and inspires is essential. But when words emphasize one set of priorities and actions support another, any narrative falls apart. At a personal level, if someone touts their punctuality but chronically shows up hours late, the narrative that says "this person is reliable" begins to fall apart....Likewise, if a company boasts about being green but its track record belies them as a major polluter, the "green" narrative fizzles....And at the national level, if we say we are a nation of laws, but the Justice Department selectively prosecutes only the weak and relatively powerless while leaving the well-connected and moneyed entirely alone, then the narrative that says "we are a nation of blind justice and equal laws" falls apart. I wish this was just some idle rumination, but I see more and more examples validating the importance of alignment of narrative and behavior. Because when there is a disconnect between words and actions, anxiety and fear take root...SAVAGING OF THE STATE OF THE UNION ADDRESS FOLLOWS







...It is quite obvious that the Fed has been a major participant in the bond markets and a major reason why Treasurys are priced so high and offer so low a yield....It seems that it is well past time to speak directly to the enormous fiscal deficits in a credible way, not merely bemoaning them being too high. And we're also overdue for an adult national conversation that it's unwise and unsustainable for a country to lean on its central bank to print up the difference between receipts and outlays...MORE
 

Demeter

(85,373 posts)
28. PART 2: Surviving a Currency Crisis
Sat Feb 18, 2012, 08:51 AM
Feb 2012
http://www.chrismartenson.com/martensonreport/surviving-currency-crisis?destination=login_redirect

The Biggest Risk

The biggest risk here is not a sudden collapse of the currency that would catch everyone off guard some Tuesday afternoon in a matter of minutes. The biggest risk is in not believing that the collapse is underway. Most people are going to lose most of their wealth simply because they could not mentally and/or emotionally grasp what was actually happening.

Consider that in Greece the banks are under a tremendous run, losing up to 25% of total deposits. Sounds extreme, but let's look at it another way: Just what are the 75% of remaining depositors thinking? How could they leave their money in a Greek bank for another minute? What are they thinking? Probably that somehow things will get better, or some other rationalization that supports their decision to hunker down and hope.

In reading When Money Dies, a historical account of the events leading up to and through the Weimar hyperinflation in Germany, one sees anecdote after anecdote of families and individuals impoverished by their own disbelief and inaction. Most just sat numbly by waiting for the currency to come back, or buying government bonds because they were asked to as a matter of patriotism, or just trusting that the government would figure something out, hoping that things would soon turn around.

In Argentina, the same dynamic occurred. We've heard in detail on this site from Fernando "FerFAL" Aguirre how those who lost most were the ones who hesitated to acknowledge the reality of what was happening until it was too late...

MORE WILL FOLLOW IF I GET IT...NOT SURE IF THIS TEASER WILL BE EXPANDED NEXT WEEK...

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
56. I STILL have difficulty watching the "disbelief and inaction"
Sun Feb 19, 2012, 12:05 PM
Feb 2012

of people, esp. on this site, where so much good information is available about what is really happening.

"Most people are going to lose most of their wealth simply because they could not mentally and/or emotionally grasp what was actually happening."


Hotler

(11,424 posts)
32. I have no hope. I see no future.
Sat Feb 18, 2012, 11:47 AM
Feb 2012

Those two sentences are less about me, but more for the millions of people in this country that have been fucked over by the PTB. Fucked over by the selfishness and greed that oozes from the wealthy in this country. Fucked over by the corruption in Washington. It is for those that want to work and provide for their families but can't. Those that want a better life for their children than they themselves have now. I'm mad as hell and at times I just can't take it anymore. Is some amount of peace and prosperity for everyone to much of a lofty vision? Yes I called the folks in GD pussies, hoping it would light a fire under their asses and get them to think about taking to the streets in protest. It's easy and safe to sit behind the computer and bitch, but change in this country will not happen until people by the thousands have the courage to stand up to the fuckers that have ruined so much for so many. I was hoping that the members of DU because we are many could strike the spark to light the fires of protest not seen since the civil rights movement. I do have hope. I do see a future. To reach that future it will take being tired of being pissed on to being pissed off. May I offer two songs.

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DemReadingDU

(16,000 posts)
36. +++
Sat Feb 18, 2012, 01:03 PM
Feb 2012

As I mentioned in yesterday's posting, people are still well-fed. People can buy food, eat out, get food stamps, or go to food pantries. Until there is a huge shortage of food and people are starving, there won't be masses of people getting off their butts to protest.

from yesterday...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1116&pid=6362

xchrom

(108,903 posts)
33. Goldman reportedly delays samurai bond due to possible downgrade
Sat Feb 18, 2012, 11:57 AM
Feb 2012
http://www.japantimes.co.jp/text/nb20120218n1.html

Goldman Sachs Group Inc. delayed its first sale of samurai bonds in four years after Moody's Investors Service placed the bank under review for downgrade, according to a source.

Goldman Sachs pushed back the offering, which may have been as early as Friday, to at least Tuesday, the source said, asking not to be identified because the information is private. The brokerage told investors it plans to raise the size of the sale to at least ¥60 billion from ¥50 billion, and will widen the proposed yield premium, the source said.

The five-year sale will make it the busiest start to the year on record for the market for yen-denominated notes issued by overseas borrowers, according to data compiled by Bloomberg. A taxation rule change next month may make it more difficult for U.S. borrowers to sell samurai bonds. Moody's said Goldman Sachs' rating may be cut by two grades, which will lower it to A3, the seventh-highest level.

"Japanese investors have strong faith in Goldman Sachs, so they will buy the bonds," Hiroaki Fujioka, a senior credit analyst at Daiwa Securities Capital Markets Co., said in a telephone interview from Tokyo.


*** samurai?

xchrom

(108,903 posts)
37. China Cuts Bank Reserve Reqs; Exports ’Grim’
Sat Feb 18, 2012, 03:05 PM
Feb 2012
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-02-18/china-cuts-banks-reserve-ratios-a-second-time-as-europe-threatens-growth.html

China cut the amount of cash that banks must set aside as reserves for the second time in three months to spur lending as Europe’s debt crisis and a cooling property market threaten economic growth.

Reserve ratios will fall 50 basis points, effective Feb. 24, the People’s Bank of China said on its website yesterday evening. The level for the nation’s largest lenders will decline to 20.5 percent, based on previous statements.

China follows Japan in expanding monetary easing even as global equity markets are buoyed by signs of strength in the U.S. economy and optimism that Europe’s fiscal crisis will be contained. Governor Zhou Xiaochuan’s officials moved on the same day that a report showed home prices slid in most of the nation’s major cities in January.

“Chinese policy makers are very much concerned about a possible deeper slowdown in domestic growth,” said Yao Wei, a Hong Kong-based economist with Societe Generale SA.

DemReadingDU

(16,000 posts)
40. Excellent animated documentary about the unsustainability of our world
Sat Feb 18, 2012, 04:32 PM
Feb 2012

Per Dmitry Orlov...
Here is an excellent new animated short that ties resource depletion, environmental destruction and the end of growth into a single tidy package. For those of you already versed in this subject matter, this might still be good review; for those of you who don't, PLEASE DON'T PANIC! And when introducing this to people, please remind them that they will need a couple of years to come to terms with this, and should try to not panic in the meantime.
http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2012/02/theres-no-tomorrow.html

direct link to the documentary

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appx 35 minutes


hamerfan

(1,404 posts)
41. Musical Interlude
Sat Feb 18, 2012, 06:58 PM
Feb 2012

Totally unrelated to economics, but one of my personal favorites. Jeff Beck. Over The Rainbow:



xchrom

(108,903 posts)
47. rainy this morning -- probably gonna turn to snow...can't put 2 nice days in a row together
Sun Feb 19, 2012, 07:57 AM
Feb 2012


i need a break...

xchrom

(108,903 posts)
48. ECB 'played role' in Irish crisis
Sun Feb 19, 2012, 07:59 AM
Feb 2012
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/finance/2012/0218/1224311977415.html

THE EUROPEAN Central Bank should recognise its own failings in the events behind Ireland’s financial crash, Minister for Social Protection Joan Burton said.

While saying prime responsibility for the crisis lay with Irish people and institutions, Ms Burton said she agreed with the argument by former taoiseach John Bruton that European bodies also played their part.

“If we are to overcome this crisis and avoid a new one, everybody has to be self-critical, including the ECB, for the reality is that the ECB monetary policy also played a role in causing the crisis, fuelling the credit bubble in Ireland and in other peripheral countries.”

Addressing the Brussels branch of the Institute of International and European Affairs, she said the “Merkozy” alliance between German chancellor Angela Merkel and French president Nicolas Sarkozy had worsened the debt emergency at times.

xchrom

(108,903 posts)
49. Egypt-U.S. Rift May Imperil IMF Funding as Reserves Threaten Currency Run
Sun Feb 19, 2012, 08:18 AM
Feb 2012
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-02-16/egypt-u-s-rift-may-imperil-imf-funding-as-reserves-threaten-currency-run.html

Egypt’s politicians and media are issuing ever-louder accusations of American meddling just as the country seeks loans from the International Monetary Fund, where the U.S. is the biggest shareholder.

“America is behind the chaos,” blared a red headline on the front page of state-run Al-Gomhuria newspaper last week. The Muslim Brotherhood said U.S. money was being spent “to destroy Egypt and ruin its society.” The dispute over the prosecution of employees at U.S.-based NGOs, accused of breaking rules on foreign financing, has opened the deepest rift for decades between the military allies. It’s happening as the government prepares to submit an economic program to parliament that will be the basis for its application for a $3.2 billion IMF credit.

Egypt needs the money to help an economy in stagnation since last year’s uprising against Hosni Mubarak. Tourists and investors have stayed away and the central bank, seeking to avert a currency crisis, spent more than half its reserves. Bond yields rose this month amid investor concern that a worsening dispute with the U.S. will complicate efforts to raise funds.

The rift “adds fuel to the fire and can negatively affect the conditions under which Egypt might obtain an IMF program,” said Sergey Dergachev, who helps manage $8.5 billion of emerging-market assets at Union Investment Privatfonds in Frankfurt. “The IMF is still very much dominated by the U.S.”
 

Demeter

(85,373 posts)
51. Yesterday, My 93-year-old client remarked to me:
Sun Feb 19, 2012, 09:18 AM
Feb 2012

"I'm getting old".

So the rest of us have no reason to complain....

bread_and_roses

(6,335 posts)
52. Another "modest" proposal for the wealth of our nation
Sun Feb 19, 2012, 10:33 AM
Feb 2012

http://www.alternet.org/economy/154192/it%27s_time_we_get_to_cash_in_as_equity_owners_of_our_common_wealth/?page=entire

It's Time We Get to Cash in as Equity Owners of Our Common Wealth

... So why don’t we pay everyone some non-labor income — you know, the kind of money that flows disproportionally to the rich? I’m not talking about redistribution here, I’m talking about paying dividends to equity owners in good old capitalist fashion. Except that the equity owners in question aren’t owners of private wealth, they’re owners of common wealth. Which is to say, all of us.

One state—Alaska—already does this. The Alaska Permanent Fund uses revenue from state oil leases to invest in stocks, bonds and similar assets, and from those investments pays equal dividends to every resident ... It’s therefore no accident that, compared to other states, Alaska has the third highest median income and the second highest income equality.

... A major source of revenue could be clean air, nature’s gift to us all. Polluters have been freely dumping ever-increasing amounts of gunk into our air, contributing to ill-health, acid rain and climate change. But what if we required polluters to bid for and pay for permits to pollute our air, and decreased the number of permits every year? Pollution would decrease, and as it did, pollution prices would rise. Less pollution would yield more revenue. Over time, trillions of dollars would be available for dividends.


Goes on to talk about "dividends" from our banking system, airway rights, etc.

It's not that his idea is so terrible - for sure, our air/water/airwaves/land (think of all those cheap leases out west for grazing)/mines are part of our "Commons" and rightly our common wealth. But the article assumes that we can continue indefinitely "extracting" wealth one way or another from our "commons" - it notices no limits to growth, assumes we have plenty of time to clean up our air, and pretty much assumes that things will go on as they are. Nor, I think, does it touch real inequality - Bill Gates would still be stratospherically rich! Hurrah for him - no "class warfare here!"

To illustrate to what degree this proposal actually supports the status quo, he touts Alaska for it's "second highest income equality" but Alaska's Gini coefficient is about 0.422 while NY's is about 0.499 - sorry, I don't think that's a huge difference (I say "about" because I used WIKI for the Ginis). For a real difference, look at the Gini for the Scandinavian countries, which is in the 0.20's, while the US is in the 0.40's.

There is one more radical idea buried in the article:

Banks are another large recipient of our collective largesse. I’m not talking about bail-out funds; I’m talking about the hugely valuable right we give banks to create money out of nothing. Banks do this (with our generous permission) by lending roughly seven times the money customers deposit (this is called ‘fractional reserve banking’); they then charge interest on these magically minted dollars. This gift to banks is justified on the grounds that it injects needed cash into the economy, but a comparable boost could be achieved by giving people new government-issued dollars — for example, by wiring money to their bank accounts — and limiting bank lending to money actually on deposit. Fresh money would then trickle up through households rather than down through banks.


This rather echoes something I think every time Obama comes out with another of his boring proposals for more tax breaks for the Corps if they just will "do the right thing" - whatever the version of the right thing is today: the Corps are already sitting on huge profits - why not just give money to the people instead of the Corps, so the people can buy some of the things they need? (To my mind there's nothing more telling about what a true 1%er the Big O is than his constant prostrations before the all-holy "Market" and seemingly infinite willingness to hand over more and more of our $$ to the Corporate Masters of the Universe.)

This would, at least, have the virtue of alleviating some of the hardship down here in the 99% short-term. But it's no real solution - it too, presupposes we have time and lots of it to "fix" the death of the earth our insane consumption has caused - and we don't. (It also strikes me that the old usage of "Consumption" to denote TB is a good metaphor for our "consumption&quot

You know, thinking of this article and the one Demeter posted earlier that I replied to, it strikes me that a few of the more intelligent and aware of at least the conventional "Liberals" among TPTB are starting to get a little scared? Starting to think that we need to do something about the raw gaping wounds oozing on the rabble? Maybe more on that thought later.


xchrom

(108,903 posts)
55. Iran Oil Ministry: Exports cut to Britain, France
Sun Feb 19, 2012, 11:42 AM
Feb 2012
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/M/ML_IRAN_OIL?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2012-02-19-10-19-19

TEHRAN, Iran (AP) -- Iran has halted oil shipments to Britain and France, the Oil Ministry said Sunday, in an apparent pre-emptive blow against the European Union after the bloc imposed sanctions on Iran's crucial fuel exports.

The EU imposed tough sanctions against Iran last month, which included a freeze of the country's central bank assets and an oil embargo set to begin in July. Iran's Oil Minister Rostam Qassemi had warned earlier this month that Tehran could cut off oil exports to "hostile" European nations. The 27-nation EU accounts for about 18 percent of Iran's oil exports.

"Crude oil exports to British and French companies have been halted," Oil Ministry spokesman Ali Reza Nikzad-Rahbar said on the ministry's shana.ir website. "We have our own customers and have no problem to sell and export our crude oil to new customers."

Britain's Foreign Office declined comment, and there was no immediate response from French officials.

xchrom

(108,903 posts)
65. You're the only person - other than me - who
Sun Feb 19, 2012, 07:20 PM
Feb 2012

Thought this was interesting.

I posted in GD as well.

xchrom

(108,903 posts)
57. Japan, China to coordinate on IMF efforts on euro zone
Sun Feb 19, 2012, 12:49 PM
Feb 2012
http://uk.reuters.com/article/2012/02/19/us-japan-china-idUKTRE81I03Q20120219

(Reuters) - Japan and China agreed on Sunday they will jointly respond to any funding request from the International Monetary Fund, which is looking to more than double the size of its war chest to help countries deal with the euro zone crisis.

Japanese Finance Minister Jun Azumi, after meetings with Chinese Vice Premier Wang Qishan and Finance Minister Xie Xuren, said the two countries were ready to support the IMF but further efforts by euro zone members were necessary.

"What we agreed on...is that European countries need to do more, although (the situation), including Greece, is headed in a good direction," Azumi told reporters in Beijing.

"We can expect some sort of request from the IMF to those including the United States, Japan and China. We agreed that Japan and China will coordinate closely and will jointly respond to IMF."

 

Demeter

(85,373 posts)
58. The gods of technology have cascaded upon me
Sun Feb 19, 2012, 03:45 PM
Feb 2012

And while trying to fix one problem, they have taken away the solution, and while trying to fix the second loss, they have taken away the third, and I am seriously contemplating violence against anyone and anything that gets further in my way.

As a result, I am not going to be posting further today, unless and until something improves in Real Life. The odds of that happening are ZERO. So, have a good week everyone. I am going off to sulk, drink, or otherwise try to cope with the unfairness of having the washer (less than 5 years old) break in the middle of a load, with 4 other loads waiting and no place to store the dirty laundry, and I'm NOT going to a laundromat, even if I knew where one was, because the cost would probably exceed the repairs or a new machine, and it's below freezing, and I'm tired from doing all the papers and it's generally maddening.

DemReadingDU

(16,000 posts)
59. the Laundromat is outrageous
Sun Feb 19, 2012, 04:07 PM
Feb 2012

Just last week, I had decided to wash up all the bedding from 2 beds, extra blankets, and bedspreads.

I used three of those triple loader king sized front loader washers.
Each washer needed $5.75, in quarters! They were new washers though.

Fortunately, spouse saves all his change, so I was able to find all those quarters to take with me.
But jeezo, that was expensive.


You have my sympathy. I hope you get the washer repaired soon.


 

Demeter

(85,373 posts)
62. Thank you! Thank you all!
Sun Feb 19, 2012, 05:39 PM
Feb 2012

And I especially want to thank Hamerfan for the excellent and very well-chosen musical selections. The pieces chosen really suited the topic and the surrounding posts.

It takes a village to put out a decent weekend....I have gone from sulking to resignation. Machinery hates me, that's why I gave up engineering. I couldn't coax the stuff to work, and felt that most stuff needed bludgeoning with a hammer.

Of course, now that I think of it, most stuff probably DOES need bludgeoning with a hammer, because it was designed to fail...like the washing machine (7 years old) made by GE....

hamerfan

(1,404 posts)
63. Thank you, Demeter!
Sun Feb 19, 2012, 06:00 PM
Feb 2012

And everyone else who participates and lurks in this little corner of sanity.





hamerfan

girl gone mad

(20,634 posts)
64. Big weekend developments in China and Europe
Sun Feb 19, 2012, 06:38 PM
Feb 2012

Edward Harrison writes:

There are two sets of important developments over the weekend that will influence the global capital markets. The first is in China and the second in Europe.

China

China cut reserve requirements and Foxxconn, the Taiwan-based outsource company with extensive assembly work in China, announced an immediate 16%-25% wage increase. In Europe, Greece’s cabinet took the necessary steps that will likely pave the way for the Eurogroup of European finance ministers to press ahead with a second aid package.

Speculation about an easing of Chinese monetary conditions has ebbed and flowed since required reserves were cut at the end of last November, the first easing in three years. Nevertheless, the 50 bp cut in reserve requirements to 20.5% announced on February 18th will catch the market by surprise. This is especially true in the aftermath of the recent report that showed China’s increase in consumer prices rose a stronger than expected 4.5% in the year through January (vs 4.1% in December).

(snip)

Greece


The Greek cabinet approved the latest set of austerity measures. The game of brinkmanship now turns back to the European finance ministers. They are not done yet. The focus shifts from pledges to implementation and how enhanced surveillance can be established and the agreement enforced.

The bond swap with the private sector, the PSI, cannot go forward until the EFSF is authorized to payout 30 bln euros. The participation in the PSI is another hurdle that much be overcome. Even with the retro-fitting of collective action clauses, some participants are believed to have a blocking position in a number of particular issues, some of which may be under foreign law (which are believed to account for as much as 20% of the outstanding sovereign bonds in private hands). These bonds have outperformed recently.

read more: http://www.creditwritedowns.com/2012/02/big-weekend-developments-in-china-and-europe.html
 

Demeter

(85,373 posts)
66. Since Monday is a Legal Holiday for SOME People
Sun Feb 19, 2012, 11:17 PM
Feb 2012

(curse them)

The Weekend Continues! I will be over my sulk, or at least, hung over....(cheap date--asleep after one beer) and posting in between attempts to cope with domestic catastrophe.

bread_and_roses

(6,335 posts)
68. are our Limosine Liberals getting scared of the simmering hoi polloi?
Mon Feb 20, 2012, 08:56 PM
Feb 2012

Pondering two articles - one posted here by Demeter and one by me -

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/19/opinion/dont-tax-the-rich-tax-inequality-itself.html?_r=2

http://www.alternet.org/economy/154192/it%27s_time_we_get_to_cash_in_as_equity_owners_of_our_common_wealth/?page=entire

and my own take on them - which is that they are a plea to make things just a wee bit better for the 99% while leaving TPTB pretty much where they are - I begin to wonder: are those of our "friends" who fit Chris Hedges descriptions of the "Liberals" who've worked to keep things tolerable - and their own cushy digs in the ranks of the "loyal opposition" safe and secure - finally beginning to get nervous? Have Wisconsin and "Occupy" given them hints that the devil's bargain they've worked for is getting frayed, mouldy - whatever happens to parchment that is used too hard and too long by too many grubby hands? Do they begin to worry that it could come to FRSP? Or (probably more likely) to a rise of Fascism?

It just strikes me that these are very peculiar articles indeed.

girl gone mad

(20,634 posts)
69. All of my money, time and energy now goes to the Occupy movement.
Mon Feb 20, 2012, 09:10 PM
Feb 2012

I suspect that some members of the political class might be noticing a decline in revenues now that they have some real competition for agency.

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