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2/2/12 David Higgs and Salmaan Siddiqui, Credit Suisse, plead guilty to conspiracy involving valuation of MBS
3/6/12 Allen Stanford, former Caribbean billionaire and general schmuck, convicted on 13 of 14 counts in $2.2B Ponzi scheme, faces 20+ years in prison
6/4/12 Matthew Kluger, lawyer, sentenced to 12 years in prison, along with co-conspirator stock trader Garrett Bauer (9 years) and co-conspirator Kenneth Robinson (not yet sentenced) for 17 year insider trading scheme.
6/14/12 Allen Stanford sentenced to 110 years without parole.
6/15/12 Rajat Gupta, former Goldman Sachs director, found guilty of insider trading. Could face a decade in prison when sentenced later this year.
6/22/12 Timothy S. Durham, 49, former CEO of Fair Financial Company, convicted of one count conspiracy to commit wire and securities fraud, 10 counts of wire fraud, and one count of securities fraud.
6/22/12 James F. Cochran, 56, former chairman of the board of Fair, convicted of one count of conspiracy to commit wire and securities fraud, one count of securities fraud, and six counts of wire fraud.
6/22/12 Rick D. Snow, 48, former CFO of Fair, convicted of one count of conspiracy to commit wire and securities fraud, one count of securities fraud, and three counts of wire fraud.
7/13/12 Russell Wassendorf Sr., CEO of collapsed brokerage firm Peregrine Financial Group Inc. arrested and charged with lying to regulators after admitting to authorities he embezzled "millions of dollars" and forged bank statements for "nearly twenty years."
8/22/12 Doug Whitman, Whitman Capital LLC hedge fund founder, convicted of insider trading following a trial in which he spent more than two days on the stand telling jurors he was innocent
10/26/12 UPDATE: Former Goldman Sachs director Rajat Gupta sentenced to two years in federal prison. He will, of course, appeal. . .
11/20/12 Hedge fund manager Matthew Martoma charged with insider trading at SAC Capital Advisors, and prosecutors are looking at Martoma's boss, Steven Cohen, for possible involvement.
02/14/13 Gilbert Lopez, former chief accounting officer of Stanford Financial Group, and former controller Mark Kuhrt sentenced to 20 yrs in prison for their roles in Allen Sanford's $7.2 billion Ponzi scheme.
03/29/13 Michael Sternberg, portfolio mgr at SAC Capital, arrested in NYC, charged with conspiracy and securities fraud. Pled not guilty and freed on $3m bail.
04/04/13 Matthew Marshall Taylor,fmr Goldman Sachs trader arrested, charged by CFTC w/defrauding his employer on $8BN futures bet "by intentionally concealing the true huge size, as well as the risk and potential profits or losses associated."
04/04/13 Matthew Taylor admits guilt, makes plea bargain. Sentencing set for 26 June; faces up to 20 years in prison but will likely only see 3-4 years. Says, "I am truly sorry."
04/11/13 Ex-KPMG LLP partner Scott London charged by federal prosecutors w/passing inside tips to a friend in exchange for cash, jewelry, and concert tickets; expected to plead guilty in May.
08/01/13 Fabrice Tourré convicted on six counts of security fraud, including "aiding and abetting" his former employer, Goldman Sachs
08/14/13 Javier Martin-Artajo and Julien Grout charged with wire fraud, falsifying records, and conspiracy in connection with JP Morgan's "London Whale" trade.
08/19/13 Phillip A. Falcone, manager of hedge fund Harbinger Capital Partners, agrees to admit to "wrongdoing" in market manipulation. Will banned from securities industry for 5 years and pay $18MM in disgorgement and fines.
09/16/13 Javier Martin-Artajo and Julien Grout officially indicted on charges associated with "London Whale" trade.
02/06/14 Matthew Martoma convicted of insider trading while at hedge fund SAC (Stephen A. Cohen) Capital Advisors. Expected sentence 7-10 years.
03/24/14 Annette Bongiorno, Bernard Madoff's secretary; Daniel Bonventre, director of operations for investments; JoAnn Crupi, an account manager; and Jerome O'Hara and George Perez, both computer programmers convicted of conspiracy to defraud clients, securities fraud, and falsifying the books and records.
05/19/14 Credit Suisse, which has an investment bank branch in NYC, agrees to plead guilty and pay appx. $2.6 billion penalties for helping wealthy Americans hide wealth and avoid taxes.
09/08/14 Matthew Martoma, convicted SAC trader, sentenced to 9 years in prison plus forfeiture of $9.3 million, including home and bank accounts
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Demeter
(85,373 posts)HELL, GET ALL THE MONEY OUT OF POLITICS.
Over the past two months, the videos Ive done with MoveOn.org have detailed several ways to make the economy work for the many, not the few: raising the minimum wage to $15 an hour, making public higher education free, busting up the big banks, expanding Social Security, making polluters pay, raising the estate tax, strengthening unions, ending corporate welfare, helping families succeed economically, and letting all Americans buy into Medicare.
But none of these is possible if we dont get big money out of politics. In fact, nothing we need to do as a nation is possible unless we limit the political power of the moneyed interests. So we made one more video the one accompanying this post and its incredibly important you share this one, too. At the rate were going, the 2016 election is likely to be the most expensive in history and the moneyed interests will be responsible for most of it. Our democracy is broken, and we must fix it.
Easy to say, but how do we do it?
We have to work hard for a constitutional amendment to overturn Citizens United with the understanding that well either succeed in amending our Constitution, or well build a social movement powerful enough to influence the Supreme Court, just like the movement that led to the historic Brown v. the Board of Education decision. Ultimately we need Supreme Court justices who understand that the freedom of speech of most Americans is drowned out when big money can spend as much as it wants, to be as loud as it needs to be.
The fundamental rule for an economy that works for everyone is a democracy that works, period.
http://robertreich.org/post/122221596470
tclambert
(11,087 posts)nationally-aired television commercials supporting your point of view. The five justices who approved the Citizens United decision just don't get that this type of speech is completely unavailable to those who don't have vast amounts of money. Freedom of speech for a type of speech you can never exercise is not freedom of speech.
Demeter
(85,373 posts)The 2008 crash was a warm up.
Many investors think that we could never have a crash again. The 2008 melt-down was a one in 100 years episode, they think. They are wrong. The 2008 Crisis was a stock and investment bank crisis. But it was not THE Crisis. THE Crisis concerns the biggest bubble in financial history: the epic Bond bubble which as it stands is north of $100 trillion although if you include the derivatives that trade based on bonds its more like $500 TRILLION.
The Fed likes to act as though its concerned about stocks but the real story is in bonds. Indeed, when you look at the Feds actions from the perspective of the bond market, everything suddenly becomes clear. Bonds are debt. A bond is created when a borrower borrows money from a lender. And at the top of the financial food chain are sovereign bonds like US Treasuries. These bonds are created when someone lends the US money. Why would they do this? Because the US SPENDS more money than it TAKES IN via taxes. So it issues debt to cover its extra expenses. This cycle continued for over 30 years until today, when the US has over $11 TRILLION in size. Because we never actually pay our debt off (or rarely do), what we do is ROLL OVER debt when it comes due, so that investors continue to receive interest payments but never actually get the money back because the US Government doesnt have it because its still spending more money than it takes in via taxes.
Again, when YOU look at the Feds actions through the perspective of the bond market everything becomes clear. The only problem is that by doing all of this, the Fed has only made the bond market even BIGGER. In 2008, the bond market was $82 trillion. Today its over $100 trillion. And the derivatives market, of which 80%+ of all trades are based on interest rates (Treasury yields), is at $700 TRILLION.
The REAL Crisis will be when the bond bubble bursts. When this happens, it will be clear that real standards of living have been falling since the 70s and that sovereign nations have been papering over this through social spending and entitlements (a whopping 47% of US households receive Government benefits in some form). Imagine what will happen to the markets when the Western welfare states finally go broke? It will make 2008 look like a picnic.
I THINK THE PRIVATE BANKS AND HEDGE FUNDS GO BUST FIRST. THEN THE NATION-STATES CAN MAKE BANKING A PUBLIC UTILITY AND ELIMINATE THE FINANCIAL PARASITES. AND AS FOR THE MULTINATIONAL CORPORATIONS....THEY WILL FIND NOWHERE LEFT TO RUN.
Fuddnik
(8,846 posts)Just some quick cash to pay off some bills, and stock up for a rainy day. It's been too fucking hot to play golf anyway.
kickysnana
(3,908 posts)Fuddnik
(8,846 posts)I think they're having a hard time getting drivers now. Nobody wants to work for nothing. They even have massive ads on Craigslist in Spanish now. They keep texting me to drive, even though I quit them a year ago. And, I don't think they're operating in my area...yet.
Demeter
(85,373 posts)WELCOME TO WONDERLAND, ALL
http://www.alternet.org/economy/why-tpp-agenda-straight-out-alice-wonderland?akid=13236.227380.qVIsZ3&rd=1&src=newsletter1038230&t=10
"Let the jury consider their verdict, the King said, for about the twentieth time that day.
`No, no! said the Queen. `Sentence firstverdict afterwards.
`Stuff and nonsense! said Alice loudly. `The idea of having the sentence first!
`Hold your tongue! said the Queen, turning purple.
`I wont! said Alice.
`Off with her head! the Queen shouted at the top of her voice.
Lewis Carroll, Alices Adventures in Wonderland
Fast-track authority is being sought in the Senate this week for the Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP), along with the Trade in Services Agreement (TiSA) and any other such trade agreements coming down the pike in the next six years. The terms of the TPP and the TiSA are so secret that drafts of the negotiations are to remain classified for four years or five years, respectively, after the deals have been passed into law. How can laws be enforced against people and governments who are not allowed to know what was negotiated?
The TPP, TiSA and Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership (or TTIP, which covers Europe) will collectively encompass three-fourths of the worlds GDP; and they ultimately seek to encompass nearly 90 percent of GDP. Despite this enormous global impact, fast-track authority would allow the President to sign the deals before their terms have been made public, and send implementing legislation to Congress that cannot be amended or filibustered and is not subject to the constitutional requirement of a two-thirds treaty vote.
While the deals are being negotiated, lawmakers can see their terms only under the strictest secrecy, and they can be subjected to criminal prosecution for revealing those terms. What we know of them comes only through WikiLeaks. The agreements are being treated as if they were a matter of grave national security, yet they are not about troop movements or military strategy. Something else is obviously going on. The bizarre, unconstitutional, blatantly illegal nature of this enforced secrecy was highlighted in a May 15th article by Jon Rappoport, titled What Law Says the Text of the TPP Must Remain Secret? He wrote:
It seems like a case of mass hypnosis. . . .
Members of Congress are scuttling around like weasels, claiming they cant disclose whats in this far-reaching, 12-nation trade treaty.
They can go into a sealed room and read a draft, but they cant copy pages, and they cant tell the public what they just read.
Why not?
If there is a US law forbidding disclosure, name the law.
Can you recall anything in the Constitution that establishes secret treaties?
Is there a prior treaty that states the text of all treaties can be hidden from the people?
To Congressmen who say they cannot reveal what is in a treaty that will adversely affect the lives of hundreds of millions of people, Rappoport says:
Wrong. Youre lying. You can reveal secret text. In fact, its your duty. Otherwise, youre guilty of cooperating in a RICO criminal conspiracy.
A Corporate Coup dÉtat
What is going on was predicted by David Korten in his 1995 blockbuster, When Corporations Rule The World. Catherine Austin Fitts calls it a corporate coup détat. This corporate coup includes the privatization and offshoring of the judicial function delegated to the US court system in the Constitution, through Investor-State Dispute Settlement (ISDS) provisions that strengthen existing ISDS procedures. As explained in The Economist, ISDS gives foreign firms a special right to apply to a secretive tribunal of highly paid corporate lawyers for compensation whenever the government passes a law to do things that hurt corporate profits such things as discouraging smoking, protecting the environment or preventing a nuclear catastrophe. Arbitrators are paid $600-700 an hour, giving them little incentive to dismiss cases. The secretive nature of the arbitration process and the lack of any requirement to consider precedent give wide scope for creative judgments the sort of arbitrary edicts satirized by Lewis Carroll in Alices Adventures in Wonderland.
To date, the highest ISDS award has been for $2.3 billion to Occidental Oil Company against the government of Ecuador over its termination of an oil-concession contract, although the termination was apparently legal. Under the TPP, however, even larger and more unpredictable judgments can be anticipated, since the sort of investment it protects includes not just the commitment of capital or other resources but the expectation of gain or profit. That means the rights of corporations extend not merely to their factories and other capital but to the profits they expect to receive. Just the threat of a massive damage award for impairing expected corporate profits could be enough to discourage prospective legislation by lawmakers.
The Trade in Services Agreement adds additional barriers to proposed legislation. TiSA involves 51 countries, including every advanced economy except the BRICS (Brazil, Russia, India, China, and South Africa). The deal would liberalize global trade in services covering close to 80% of the US economy, including financial services, healthcare, education, engineering, telecommunications, and many more. It would restrict how governments can manage their public laws, and it could dismantle and privatize state-owned enterprises, turning those services over to the private sector. It would also block the emerging trend to return privatized services to the public sector, by limiting or prohibiting governments from creating or reestablishing public utilities and other uncompetitive forms of service delivery. It seems that the TPP, TTIP and TiSA are not about the sort of free trade that would free local businesses to sell abroad. They are about freeing international corporations from the government regulation necessary to protect the economy, the people, and the environment. They are about preserving privatized monopolies and preventing competition from the public sector. And they are about moving litigation offshore into private arbitrary tribunals the sort of tribunal that might have lost Alice her head, if she had not awakened from her bizarre dream.
Ellen Brown is an attorney, chairman of the Public Banking Institute, and author of 12 books. In her latest book, The Public Bank Solution, she explores successful public banking models historically and globally. She is currently running for California State Treasurer on a state bank platform.
Demeter
(85,373 posts)President Obamas ambitious trade push is back on track, after several near-death moments, in large measure because top Republicans stood by him.
The Senate on Tuesday narrowly voted to end debate on legislation granting Mr. Obama enhanced negotiating powers to complete a major Pacific trade accord, virtually assuring final passage Wednesday of Mr. Obamas top legislative priority in his final years in office.
The procedural vote of 60 to 37 just reached the minimum needed, but final Senate passage will require only 51 votes... 13 Democrats sided with Republicans to end the debate and get to a final vote on trade promotion authority... The House approved trade promotion authority last week. With congressional support for fast track authority, the president can press for final agreement on the Trans-Pacific Partnership, a legacy-defining accord linking 40 percent of the worlds economy from Canada and Chile to Japan and Australia in a web of rules governing Pacific commerce. His administration can also bear down on a second agreement with Europe known as the Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership knowing that lawmakers will be able to vote for or against those agreements but will not be able to amend or filibuster them.
The Atlantic agreement is not expected to be completed until the next administration is in office, but the trade negotiating powers would stretch for six years well into the next presidency. Together those two accords would put much of the globe under the same trade rules, not only lowering tariffs and other import barriers but also creating new standards for Internet access, intellectual property and investor protections...
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The Senate is set on Wednesday to give final approval to trade promotion authority, then vote to end debate on a separate bill that attaches worker dislocation assistance to a broadly popular bill extending a trade agreement with several African countries.
To attract more votes, Senate leaders added another provision speeding up action against foreign competitors who are found to be dumping selling steel and other products in the United States at artificially low prices in an effort to put domestic manufacturers out of business.
Senators would vote on that package on Thursday, and if it is approved, as expected, it would go to the House the same day.
This time, if Democrats vote down trade adjustment assistance, they will be effectively killing a worker education and retraining program created during the Kennedy administration and that party members have nurtured ever since, but will still most likely watch Mr. Obama sign the fast-track bill into law....
MORE, IF YOU CAN BEAR IT, AT LINK
Demeter
(85,373 posts)Demeter
(85,373 posts)... TPA passed with a mere 219-211 vote with only 218 needed to pass. The real shocker comes from the amount of money each Representative received for a yes vote. In total, $197,869,145 was given to Representatives for a yes vote where as $23,065,231 was given in opposition.
John Boehner (R-OH) received $5.3 million for a yea vote and was the highest paid legislator.
Kevin McCarthy (R-CA) received $2.4 million for his yea vote.
Paul Ryan (R-WI) received $2.4 million for a yea vote and came in at the third highest paid legislator.
Pat Tiberi (R-OH) follows Paul Ryan, coming in the fourth spot having received $1.6 million for his yea vote.
The fifth highest paid legislator is somewhat of a hero in comparison to others. Representative Steny Hoyer (D-MD) received $1.6 million for a yes vote and only $282,710 for a no vote. Despite of his high contribution from those in favor of TPA, he still voted a solid nay.
We also have other hero stories.
Joe Crowley (D-NY) received 1.3 million for a yea vote and only $72,550 for a nay vote and he still voted against TPA.
Patrick Murphy (D-FL) received 1.1 million for a yea vote and only $213,360 for a nay vote and still voted against it.
Richard Neal D(MA) received $1.1 million for a yea vote and a mere $47,625 for a nay vote and still voted against it.
Democrats are not the only heroes in this voting session. GOP members spoke very loud and clear.
Mick Mulvaney (R-SC) received $541,746 for a yea vote and no money at all for a nay vote and he still voted nay!
Andy Harris (R-MD) received $254,803 for a yea vote and no money at all for a nay vote and he still voted nay.
Thomas Massie (R-KY) received $250,328 for a yea vote and no money at all for a nay vote and he still voted nay.
Dana Rohrabacher (R-CA) received $180,832 for a yea vote and no money at all for a nay vote and she still voted nay.
Where did this kind of money come from? Those in favor of TPA were Security Brokers and Investment Companies who donated a whopping $11.3 million dollars for a yea vote. Or big banking companies who donated $10.1 million dollars. In other words, Wall Street hashed out millions and millions of dollars to push for the passage of TPA.
Those numbers are absolutely staggering. Corporations are taking control of what policies are approved or blocked in the U.S. We cannot sit around while corporations decide what is good for America or not! This is a democracy, not a plutocracy! Contact your representatives and let them know that you do not want them to vote in favor of TPA!
Demeter
(85,373 posts)DemReadingDU
(16,000 posts)Demeter
(85,373 posts)N M Rothschild have been at the heart of advising the UK Government on the RBS (Royal Bank of Scotland) sale. The RBS was rescued by the taxpayer several years ago to the tune of £45.8bn. Now, the shares that the government owns, allegedly on behalf of its people, are being sold off at a £7bn loss to private investors...It has been revealed, not too publicly, however, that the esteemed and noble house of Rothschild have advised the government to sell now and sell cheap. You wont find the mainstream media reporting on Rothschild involvement in this. Independent Advice. Is how the mainstream media shapes it. For it is taboo in mainstream media to mention the name of the mighty and great Rothschild.
Letter from the Chief Executive of Rothschild to the Chancellor;
2. We believe that sending a strong signal that RBS is on the road to recovery and that its reprivatisation has begun may also bring further benefits to the bank and therefore to the taxpayer as shareholder;
3. Market conditions for financial assets and bank shares are currently good;
4. We believe that the current price of RBS shares reasonably reflects its future prospects based on its current strategy and the risks associated with this being achieved; and
5. We believe that RBS is ready to be sold and do not believe that there are other reasons that would preclude a share sale in the short term (i.e. in the next 12 months) or render it poor value for money for the taxpayer
You might have heard the name, probably if you operate within the financial world outside the traditional legacy sector. If you operate in the traditional sector, then you probably have not heard the name. They learned early in the 20th Century that power is best held from the shadows, and the play of the marionette is best perform through the curtains of illusion. Not hearing about this from many, if any, sources. You might be led to believe that the mainstream media are forbidden to talk about such news. Let us wait and see which mainstream media outlets mention the advice on "sell now, sell cheap." and whether they can uncover the recipients of the cheap RBS shares. Such little bits of information as how the sale of RBS is being made at a loss to the government and by extension, the people of the UK. And that this sale is being made to private financiers who remain anonymous, is arguably not public enough.
The shares are being sold off to major City (of London) institutions. I do not think you need to guess hard to find out where the Rothschild financial centre is? And Mark Carney, governor of the Bank of England, fully supported and encouraged this sale at a loss for the UK government. And who owns the majority Bank of England? And, therefore, pulls the strings of Mr Carney. Not many people could tell you that one, as the banks pride themselves on their anonymity.
Note: I could find no sources of information as to which specific Institutions were doing the buying of the RBS shares.
The Guardian reports that;
Rothschild concludes that RBS shares may never return to their pre-crisis levels and the current share price fairly reflects the fundamental value of the bank.
And to be fair, Rothschild might be right. If even after creating £375 billion to dump into the financial markets to bolster the UK housing bubble and the stock market, RBS shares are remarkably still going to be sold at a loss. Arguably, most would agree that Governments should seek expert advice before embarking on something so extreme, of this I am in agreement with. Yet when the advice comes from sources that are quite likely going to benefit, and with cheap shares, then the advice is suspect and what is going on the surface is not all that is going on, potential conflicts of interest arise. It is not like the noble Rothschilds have ever fiddled governments to buy cheap shares ever before, they would never do such a thing.
The UK investment in Royal Bank of Scotland Rothschild report can be found here. SEE LINK You can find this report and the accompanying letter via the HM Treasury site, you wont find this information reported in the mainstream, so it is up to you to remember and to tell others.
Fuddnik
(8,846 posts)Demeter
(85,373 posts)also, read Why Most Published Research Findings Are False
Cathy ONeils On being a data sceptic
Demeter
(85,373 posts)and I will try to do the same...
Anybody got an idea for the weekend? I'm feeling uninspired and non-creative...dragged out, actually.
Demeter
(85,373 posts)DemReadingDU
(16,000 posts)6/24/15 Greece rejects IMFs proposals for Corporate Tax, Pension Cuts & 23% VAT in food
Hardly had Greek Prime Minister Alexis Tsipras stepped at Brussels airport and the creditors started to throw stones on his way to the meeting with Institutions. They have reportedly submitted a new proposal as they do not agree with Greeces equivalent measures.
It is said that especially the IMF rejects Greek government proposals to raise corporate tax from 26% now to 29% as well as the health care contributions increase to pensioners.
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The IMF wants cuts in public spending and not revenue increases as the Greek proposal.
Meanwhile Greek media report from Brussels that Tsipras will have a meeting with Juncker first, then with Draghi and Lagarde. The Institutions ECB, IMF and EC had a meeting with Eurogroups Dijsselbloem and EFSF Klaus Regling.
PS and then all together may play music chairs
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http://www.keeptalkinggreece.com/2015/06/24/greece-rejects-imfs-proposals-for-corporate-tax-pension-cuts-23-vat-in-food/
Hotler
(11,443 posts)our elected official's ignored us. The next vote will pass also. We are very hosed. I have no hope. I see no future. There should be hundreds of thousand people in the street today mad as hell protesting. There are a lot of politicians in Washington that need their asses kicked right out in the street for all to see. It's time to get fighting mad. Time for taking the high road and being nice and polite is over.
Demeter
(85,373 posts)Kent State put a damper on protest, though.
DemReadingDU
(16,000 posts)shut down and hosed down
mother earth
(6,002 posts)It really is. Next up, election fraud in 2016, after the MSM frames the horse race to make it all believable.
antigop
(12,778 posts)what kind of change are we going to see?
Socialism? More fascism?
Demeter
(85,373 posts)a controlled demolition would enable rebuilding faster and easier than an atomic bomb would. And there might be more sane people left.
antigop
(12,778 posts)DemReadingDU
(16,000 posts)There is no money after this bubble implodes.
Maybe people would work for food?
Punx
(446 posts)Could be another description for slavery.