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Coyotl

(15,262 posts)
Sat Feb 9, 2013, 09:44 AM Feb 2013

An Open Letter to Bill Gates: Why Not Measure This?

http://blogs.edweek.org/teachers/living-in-dialogue/2013/02/an_open_letter_to_bill_gates_w.html

By Anthony Cody on February 8, 2013 7:41 PM

Yesterday I posted an essay that pointed out that Bill Gates apparently uses a different set of outcomes in choosing a school for his own children than the measurable ones his foundation advocates for the children of the less fortunate. I shared the thoughts of mathematician Cathy O'Neil, who points out

...the person who defines the model defines success, and by obscuring this power behind a data collection process and incrementally improved model results, it seems somehow sanitized and objective when it's not.

Don't be fooled by the mathematical imprimatur: behind every model and every data set is a political process that chose that data and built that model and defined success for that model.


As I pointed out yesterday, there are many outcomes that we value that are difficult to measure, leading to the first order of bias here, towards outcomes that are easily quantified. But there is a second order of bias at work here; deliberate choices that are made to define the parameters of the system within which we measure.

Bill Gates wrote ....
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An Open Letter to Bill Gates: Why Not Measure This? (Original Post) Coyotl Feb 2013 OP
its all in how we define d_r Feb 2013 #1
an all time great quote: DonCoquixote Feb 2013 #2
That sentence made me look for the Like button! Coyotl Feb 2013 #3
Somebody, LWolf Feb 2013 #4
This essay is great. Starry Messenger Feb 2013 #5
I have to say something. savebigbird Feb 2013 #6
Ditto for Waltons, Broad, Obama, Duncan, Rhee, and everybody else duffyduff Feb 2013 #7
Aw, man! Reader Rabbit Feb 2013 #8

DonCoquixote

(13,616 posts)
2. an all time great quote:
Sat Feb 9, 2013, 09:55 AM
Feb 2013

"Don't be fooled by the mathematical imprimatur: behind every model and every data set is a political process that chose that data and built that model and defined success for that model."

savebigbird

(417 posts)
6. I have to say something.
Mon Feb 11, 2013, 08:44 AM
Feb 2013

Schools aren't businesses. Kids aren't products. They are HUMAN BEINGS - too complex to quantify with statistics. Bill Gates is an expert on computing, not teaching. He lacks in knowledge of basic brain science and pedagogy. It would be of poor logic and an ignorance of science to take orders in teaching from this man. People just don't understand that.

 

duffyduff

(3,251 posts)
7. Ditto for Waltons, Broad, Obama, Duncan, Rhee, and everybody else
Mon Feb 11, 2013, 12:10 PM
Feb 2013

pushing an absolutely insane agenda that is going to destroy this country.

Reader Rabbit

(2,624 posts)
8. Aw, man!
Wed Feb 13, 2013, 01:23 AM
Feb 2013

Here I thought there would be a picture of a penis to go along with the "Measure this!"

I am disappoint.




ETA: I am also drunk!

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