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femmocrat

(28,394 posts)
Fri Jul 5, 2013, 12:55 PM Jul 2013

Federal court rules that schools are not liable for bullying.

I just found out about this:


Federal appeals court: Schools aren't liable for bullies
June 5, 2013 5:33 pm
By Rich Lord / Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

Schools that opt not to expel bullies aren't necessarily liable for their actions thereafter, a divided 3rd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals found in a ruling issued today.

The ruling and dissents, which totaled 83 pages, came in the case of Brittany and Emily Morrow versus Blackhawk School District, which was filed in 2010. The Morrow sisters and their parents claimed that another student who relentlessly bullied and assaulted them was suspended, adjudicated delinquent and repeatedly told to have no further contact with them, but was never expelled. They say the behavior continued until the sisters had no choice but to enroll in another school.

The Morrows argued that by failing to expel the bully after she was found delinquent, the school violated their equal protection rights.

The majority judges found that the school didn't create the danger to the Morrows.

More at link: http://www.post-gazette.com/stories/local/neighborhoods-west/federal-appeals-court-schools-arent-liable-for-bullies-690436/


The 3rd Circuit covers Pennsylvania, Delaware, New Jersey and the Virgin Islands.
Rich Lord: rlord@post-gazette.com

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Follow-up articles report that local schools have no plans to discontinue anti-bullying policies, however. The decision just places the blame on the bully, not on the district. Schools still have a responsibility to provide a safe learning environment.

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Federal court rules that schools are not liable for bullying. (Original Post) femmocrat Jul 2013 OP
I don't get the decision. no_hypocrisy Jul 2013 #1
Not exactly, from what I understand-- but I'm only a teacher, not a lawyer. femmocrat Jul 2013 #7
The majority had concerns. elleng Jul 2013 #2
Because the school is public.... AnneD Jul 2013 #3
You are right about public schools being hamstrung duffyduff Jul 2013 #4
This year I had one SpEd student... AnneD Jul 2013 #6
+1 MichiganVote Jul 2013 #5
I'm not so sure that schools are required to deal with cyber-bullying that does not occur --- femmocrat Jul 2013 #8
We can't restrict them from bringing them.... AnneD Jul 2013 #9
+1000 femmocrat Jul 2013 #10

no_hypocrisy

(46,112 posts)
1. I don't get the decision.
Fri Jul 5, 2013, 01:09 PM
Jul 2013

By law, you are legally compelled to attend public school if you don't opt for private, religious or home schools. You are trapped with a bully who will expend all the time and energy needed to victimize you. And the schools aren't liable for not adequately protecting you?

femmocrat

(28,394 posts)
7. Not exactly, from what I understand-- but I'm only a teacher, not a lawyer.
Sat Jul 6, 2013, 11:12 AM
Jul 2013

In this case, the district cannot be forced to expel the bully and is not financially responsible for his actions. The student is responsible for his own actions. Of course, that doesn't give the bullied student much comfort.... they can try to sue the parents, I guess, but good luck with that.

Schools must still provide a "safe" learning environment and will continue to do so. Those districts that were interviewed do not plan to change anything in that regard.

I do know that if a student is expelled, the district must still provide him/her with homebound or other instruction, so districts rarely expel anyone except in the most severe cases.

elleng

(130,908 posts)
2. The majority had concerns.
Fri Jul 5, 2013, 01:19 PM
Jul 2013

'Dissenting judges found that the school had exercised its authority by not expelling the bully, and contributed to the danger, creating a duty to protect the victims.

"Under this reasoning, however," the majority wrote, "every decision by school officials to use or decline to use their authority, disciplinary or otherwise, would constitute affirmative conduct that may trigger a duty to protect."'


I suspect that, somewhere(s,) courts WILL find that schools DO have a duty to protect. The following is a limited discussion and not on point, but may provide food for thought: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_loco_parentis

AnneD

(15,774 posts)
3. Because the school is public....
Fri Jul 5, 2013, 02:29 PM
Jul 2013

And because school is compulsory to a certain age, schools are a bit hamstrung by law and funding. This is why the business model does not work in academia....unlike charter schools, public schools have to take every student that lands on our door step.

Our district is large enough to have an alternative school that can be utilized. But again we are pressured to keep this as a last ditch.

We are an inner city school and we deal with gang issues every day. And we have to deal with bullying that goes on outside of school that we fear we can be held accountable for that. (cyber bullying).

We try everything, but I am here to tell you, some kids do not understand the gift they are being given. Wish we had more vocational education for these kids. Not every child is a Fullbright Scholar.

 

duffyduff

(3,251 posts)
4. You are right about public schools being hamstrung
Fri Jul 5, 2013, 03:05 PM
Jul 2013

If that bullying student was getting special education services, they'd be even more hamstrung about what they can do about it.

Of course the family could try and sue the parents of the bully, but there is no money to be gained from it.

AnneD

(15,774 posts)
6. This year I had one SpEd student...
Sat Jul 6, 2013, 01:08 AM
Jul 2013

Just on that was responsible for 4 workman's comp claims. Nothing happened about it until the teacheee filed assault. They then tried to vilify the teacher! Several times she had intervened in this child's main stream class. As the school nurse, I stood up for the teacher.

And I thought the SpEd department chair would shit bricks when I brought up the subject at the child's ARD. I said that this was not a safe placement for him, the teachers, and other students. The SpEd department told us that we HAD to take him but did not give us a one to one aide for him. When the teachers complained, they were told they just weren't handling the problem and gave inane suggestion, like rewarding him as a distraction when he refused to do his work and started to throw his destructive tantrum. Bunch of ass hat clip board teachers.

femmocrat

(28,394 posts)
8. I'm not so sure that schools are required to deal with cyber-bullying that does not occur ---
Sat Jul 6, 2013, 11:17 AM
Jul 2013

on district computers. How can we be held responsible for cyber-bullying that occurs on the student's computer outside of school hours? If it spills over into the school day, then it is something we have to address, however.

I think that schools that are allowing students to bring in hand-held devices might be re-thinking their leniency--- at least one district (that I know of) is revoking that privilege as being too disruptive.

AnneD

(15,774 posts)
9. We can't restrict them from bringing them....
Sat Jul 6, 2013, 11:34 AM
Jul 2013

But if they are caught using them, they are taken away. We encourage them not to use them, but if we put a ban on them....parents would scream to the school board.

Cyberbullying is a grey area. And yes we might be held accountable. Say a student is being bullied. The parents bring it to our attention. Forget that our server blocks it and we cannot access it ourselves, we can still be accountable if we do nothing.

We usually call in parent, who just can't believe precious pookems is being so nasty. Sometimes it works, sometimes not. We try to separate the schedules but the kids have the same lunch. We have had fights arranged after school and off campus and parents trying to blame us for failing to supervise the kids.

Instead of blaming us, they should be looking at what they are doing, or not.

femmocrat

(28,394 posts)
10. +1000
Sat Jul 6, 2013, 11:38 AM
Jul 2013

I totally agree. Parents need to take more responsibility and stop expecting the schools to "fix" their kids for them.

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