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To Beat Tesla, China Plans To Boost Electric Vehicle Sales 10-Fold
To Beat Tesla, China Plans To Boost Electric Vehicle Sales 10-Fold
In doing so, they will wipe out 95 percent of domestic EV makers.
The electric vehicle revolution is now as unstoppable as the renewable revolution. China understands that fact better than any other country.
Much as China did whatever was necessary to become the global leader in manufacturing and deploying both solar and wind energy, they are doing the same for electric vehicles and batteries. They became the number one market for electric vehicles last year, as their sales tripled, Europe’s almost doubled, and America’s flatlined.
The Chinese government is aiming at a more than 1,000 percent increase in sales by 2025, some 3 million units a year. And as Bloomberg reports, to achieve that remarkable goal, “it’s offering subsidies that can total 60 percent of an electric-car’s sticker price.”
What China understands is that EVs are the cornerstone technology for low-cost, low-carbon transport — AND a core enabling technology for deep penetration of renewables into the electric grid.
Indeed, in a major 2016 report, the International Energy Agency explained that “electric vehicles and public transport can lead to a low-carbon mobility system while reducing investment needs by USD 20 trillion compared with current development trends in cities.”....
In doing so, they will wipe out 95 percent of domestic EV makers.
The electric vehicle revolution is now as unstoppable as the renewable revolution. China understands that fact better than any other country.
Much as China did whatever was necessary to become the global leader in manufacturing and deploying both solar and wind energy, they are doing the same for electric vehicles and batteries. They became the number one market for electric vehicles last year, as their sales tripled, Europe’s almost doubled, and America’s flatlined.
The Chinese government is aiming at a more than 1,000 percent increase in sales by 2025, some 3 million units a year. And as Bloomberg reports, to achieve that remarkable goal, “it’s offering subsidies that can total 60 percent of an electric-car’s sticker price.”
What China understands is that EVs are the cornerstone technology for low-cost, low-carbon transport — AND a core enabling technology for deep penetration of renewables into the electric grid.
Indeed, in a major 2016 report, the International Energy Agency explained that “electric vehicles and public transport can lead to a low-carbon mobility system while reducing investment needs by USD 20 trillion compared with current development trends in cities.”....
https://thinkprogress.org/china-to-boost-electric-vehicle-sales-10-fold-211053eb032b#.jvz3zyaqs
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FWIW: EV Sales figures through August:
http://insideevs.com/electric-vehicle-sales-in-the-us-rise-by-largest-amount-ever-in-august/
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All of those irrational posts about fuel cells didn't write themselves.
I don't see much of a link myself but in any case, here it is:
China Penalizes 5 Renewable Energy Auto Makers for Subsidy Fraud
China's Ministry of Finance penalized Suzhou Gemsea, Higer Bus, Wuzhoulong Motors, Mychery Bus and Shaolin Bus.
By Ellie Froilan | Sep 10, 2016 07:35 AM EDT
The five renewable energy vehicle manufacturers penalized by China's Ministry of Finance mainly make buses.
(Photo : Youtube)
China's Ministry of Finance has penalized five renewable energy vehicle producers for illegally obtaining government subsidies, amounting to about 1 billion yuan ($150 million).
The five companies include Suzhou Gemsea, Higer Bus, Wuzhoulong Motors, Mychery Bus and Shaolin Bus. The companies reportedly accumulated a total of 1.01 billion yuan in subsidies in 2015 after claiming to have sold 3,547 vehicles that were actually either unfinished or unsold.
These five companies primarily make buses. One of the companies is a subsidiary of Chery Holding, the owner of the seventh most popular Chinese passenger car brand.
The ministry said the five companies would return the illegally gained subsidies. They would also be fined and disqualified for subsidies in 2016. The ministry has fined the five companies amounts equal to 50 percent of the subsidies they are accused of fraudulently receiving.
Gemsea has the most serious violations and would be removed from the country's list of automakers, according to the Wall Street Journal. The company reportedly fabricated its entire electric-vehicle-manufacturing business and did not make alternative-energy vehicles. The other four of the bus-making companies abused the subsidy program by padding their reported electric-vehicle sales.
“Individual companies seeking profit violated relevant laws to cheat and fraudulently obtain financial subsidies...
http://www.chinatopix.com/articles/100397/20160910/china-penalizes-five-new-energy-auto-makers-for-subsidy-fraud.htmChina's Ministry of Finance penalized Suzhou Gemsea, Higer Bus, Wuzhoulong Motors, Mychery Bus and Shaolin Bus.
By Ellie Froilan | Sep 10, 2016 07:35 AM EDT
The five renewable energy vehicle manufacturers penalized by China's Ministry of Finance mainly make buses.
(Photo : Youtube)
China's Ministry of Finance has penalized five renewable energy vehicle producers for illegally obtaining government subsidies, amounting to about 1 billion yuan ($150 million).
The five companies include Suzhou Gemsea, Higer Bus, Wuzhoulong Motors, Mychery Bus and Shaolin Bus. The companies reportedly accumulated a total of 1.01 billion yuan in subsidies in 2015 after claiming to have sold 3,547 vehicles that were actually either unfinished or unsold.
These five companies primarily make buses. One of the companies is a subsidiary of Chery Holding, the owner of the seventh most popular Chinese passenger car brand.
The ministry said the five companies would return the illegally gained subsidies. They would also be fined and disqualified for subsidies in 2016. The ministry has fined the five companies amounts equal to 50 percent of the subsidies they are accused of fraudulently receiving.
Gemsea has the most serious violations and would be removed from the country's list of automakers, according to the Wall Street Journal. The company reportedly fabricated its entire electric-vehicle-manufacturing business and did not make alternative-energy vehicles. The other four of the bus-making companies abused the subsidy program by padding their reported electric-vehicle sales.
“Individual companies seeking profit violated relevant laws to cheat and fraudulently obtain financial subsidies...
http://insideevs.com/nissan-renault-goal-of-500000-evs-sold-by-2015-gone-now-1-5-million-by-2016/
http://nissannews.com/en-US/nissan/usa/releases/nissan-celebrates-two-years-of-leaf-sales-with-announcement-of-u-s-battery-plant
It was a beautiful dream:
http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1088447_nissans-ghosn-well-miss-2016s-1-5m-electric-car-sales-target
OK, so, what have their sales been? Are they ramping up? Will they be needing to build another battery plant to keep up?
http://insideevs.com/nissan-leaf-sales-in-us-continue-to-head-sideways-in-august/
[font face=Serif][font size=5]Nissan-Renault Goal of 500,000 EVs Sold By 2015 Gone. Now 1.5 Million By 2016[/font]
4 years ago by Jay Cole
[font size=3]For most of us who follow the LEAF in the United States, we just assumed Nissan-Renault’s original stated goal of “selling 500,000 plug-in electric vehicles by 2015″ from back when they first introduced the 73 mile EV would have to fall at some point.
Who knew the number would go up?
But that is the case, as Hideaki Watanabe, Managing Director of Zero Emission Vehicles expressed the new goal at the Paris Motor Show this past week while promoting Renault’s next best hope, the Zoe.
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4 years ago by Jay Cole
[font size=3]For most of us who follow the LEAF in the United States, we just assumed Nissan-Renault’s original stated goal of “selling 500,000 plug-in electric vehicles by 2015″ from back when they first introduced the 73 mile EV would have to fall at some point.
Who knew the number would go up?
But that is the case, as Hideaki Watanabe, Managing Director of Zero Emission Vehicles expressed the new goal at the Paris Motor Show this past week while promoting Renault’s next best hope, the Zoe.
“Zoe is coming out. This is going to be a big momentum as well (for the compnay). Renault-Nissan Alliance has very strong, two cars (ZoeLEAF) coming out to the road. Attractive. So EV market is going to expand. We are committed to sell a cumulative 1.5 million cars by 2016.”
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http://nissannews.com/en-US/nissan/usa/releases/nissan-celebrates-two-years-of-leaf-sales-with-announcement-of-u-s-battery-plant
[font face=Serif]Dec 12, 2012
[font size=5]Nissan Celebrates Two Years of LEAF Sales with Announcement of U.S. Battery Plant[/font]
[font size=4]-Largest lithium-ion automotive battery plant in the U.S. now assembling batteries in Tennessee to power all-electric, zero-emission 2013 Nissan LEAF-[/font]
[font size=3]FRANKLIN, Tenn. – With two years of Nissan LEAF sales just completed, the company today announced the launch of the United States’ largest lithium-ion automotive battery plant in Smyrna, Tenn. The facility – which is making battery components for the ramp-up of production of the all-electric, zero-emission 2013 Nissan LEAF early next year – is one of three of its kind in the world operated by a major automaker.
Since December 2010, Nissan has delivered more than 18,000 LEAFs to U.S. customers and more than 46,000 worldwide, making it the most successful 100-percent electric vehicle in history.
“Opening this U.S. plant is an important milestone in Nissan’s overarching strategy to foster sustainable mobility around the world,” said Carlos Ghosn, president and chief executive officer of Nissan Motor Co. “Nissan is the zero-emissions vehicle leader, and we are making significant strides as one of the largest producers of electric vehicles and batteries in the United States. The opening of this facility in Tennessee supports our goal of making zero-emissions mobility a reality through American jobs and American manufacturing.”
The first batteries produced at the plant have completed the required aging process and are now ready to receive their first charge. The state-of-the-art facility is capable of expanding to produce modules for up to 200,000 batteries annually depending on market demand. Those batteries can serve as the power source for the all-electric Nissan LEAF and for future vehicles that could be added to the portfolio.
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[font size=5]Nissan Celebrates Two Years of LEAF Sales with Announcement of U.S. Battery Plant[/font]
[font size=4]-Largest lithium-ion automotive battery plant in the U.S. now assembling batteries in Tennessee to power all-electric, zero-emission 2013 Nissan LEAF-[/font]
[font size=3]FRANKLIN, Tenn. – With two years of Nissan LEAF sales just completed, the company today announced the launch of the United States’ largest lithium-ion automotive battery plant in Smyrna, Tenn. The facility – which is making battery components for the ramp-up of production of the all-electric, zero-emission 2013 Nissan LEAF early next year – is one of three of its kind in the world operated by a major automaker.
Since December 2010, Nissan has delivered more than 18,000 LEAFs to U.S. customers and more than 46,000 worldwide, making it the most successful 100-percent electric vehicle in history.
“Opening this U.S. plant is an important milestone in Nissan’s overarching strategy to foster sustainable mobility around the world,” said Carlos Ghosn, president and chief executive officer of Nissan Motor Co. “Nissan is the zero-emissions vehicle leader, and we are making significant strides as one of the largest producers of electric vehicles and batteries in the United States. The opening of this facility in Tennessee supports our goal of making zero-emissions mobility a reality through American jobs and American manufacturing.”
The first batteries produced at the plant have completed the required aging process and are now ready to receive their first charge. The state-of-the-art facility is capable of expanding to produce modules for up to 200,000 batteries annually depending on market demand. Those batteries can serve as the power source for the all-electric Nissan LEAF and for future vehicles that could be added to the portfolio.
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It was a beautiful dream:
http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1088447_nissans-ghosn-well-miss-2016s-1-5m-electric-car-sales-target
[font face=Serif][font size=5]Nissan's Ghosn: We'll Miss 2016's 1.5M Electric Car Sales Target[/font]
Nov 14, 2013
[font size=3]Renault-Nissan chief Carlos Ghosn has admitted the companies will miss out on his original electric car sales targets...and by quite some margin.
Ghosn has previously said that the two companies would be on track to sell 1.5 million electric vehicles by 2016.
But like so many other electric vehicle sales estimates, those projections have fallen short of the mark. According to the Financial Times (sub req.), Ghosn admits it'll take another four or five years to reach those sort of numbers.
Earlier this year, the companies celebrated selling their 100,000th electric vehicle. Most of that total was contributed by the Nissan Leaf, on sale since 2010. Since then, Renault has put four other electric vehicles onto the market, totaling around 30,000 units among them.
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Nov 14, 2013
[font size=3]Renault-Nissan chief Carlos Ghosn has admitted the companies will miss out on his original electric car sales targets...and by quite some margin.
Ghosn has previously said that the two companies would be on track to sell 1.5 million electric vehicles by 2016.
But like so many other electric vehicle sales estimates, those projections have fallen short of the mark. According to the Financial Times (sub req.), Ghosn admits it'll take another four or five years to reach those sort of numbers.
Earlier this year, the companies celebrated selling their 100,000th electric vehicle. Most of that total was contributed by the Nissan Leaf, on sale since 2010. Since then, Renault has put four other electric vehicles onto the market, totaling around 30,000 units among them.
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OK, so, what have their sales been? Are they ramping up? Will they be needing to build another battery plant to keep up?
http://insideevs.com/nissan-leaf-sales-in-us-continue-to-head-sideways-in-august/
The Sierra Club looked at the EV sales experience recently.
https://www.sierraclub.org/sites/www.sierraclub.org/files/uploads-wysiwig/1371%20Rev%20Up%20EVs%20Report_09_web%20FINAL.pdf
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[font size=4]MULTI-STATE STUDY OF THE ELECTRIC VEHICLE SHOPPING EXPERIENCE[/font][/CENTER]
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Automakers and their affiliated dealerships both play an important role in EV inventory. To sell more EVs, automakers need to accelerate the number of EVs they manufacture and provide additional financial incentives for dealerships to sell them. Automakers also need to make a much larger number of EVs available to dealerships more evenly across each of the ZEV states and beyond. Dealerships, in turn, need to increase the number of EVs they secure from automakers and display prominently on their lots.
One way to increase EV inventory is to remove barriers through free or affordable dealer certification. Some automakers require dealers to pay certification fees, while other automakers provide dealer certification free of charge. For example, the Nissan dealership in Milford, Massachusetts told us it became certified by Nissan to sell EVs at no cost. According to our volunteer’s conversation with a manager at that dealership, Nissan’s certification requirements are online quizzes and tests taken periodically by salespeople to ensure they are informed on their EV models.
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When EVs are placed alongside other models or are parked in the back of a dealership’s lot, it presents an obvious barrier to consumers who may consider purchasing or leasing an EV. In order to promote EV sales, we believe it is important for dealerships to place them in prominent locations, such as in a showroom, by the side of the road, next to charging stations, or under special canopies.
A volunteer visited the Audi dealership in Wallingford, Connecticut and reported there was an EV inside the showroom with a charging station, as well as one in front of the dealership plugged-in and ready to test drive. Glick Nissan in Massachusetts told one of our volunteers that they always have two to three EVs on hand to offer test drives as well as a 240-volt charging station in front of the dealership, which is open for public use as part of Nissan’s No Charge to Charge program. Nissan offers two years of unlimited free public charging for all Nissan Leaf owners at participating dealerships.15 Not only do charging stations make EVs more visible to customers, but they also help build “range confidence” for both current and potential EV drivers because drivers know they can rely on that dealership as a place to charge up.
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It sounds like these Nissan dealers at least are doing the right things. OK, so, overall, what was the evaluation of the customers of their EV shopping experience?
[font size=4]MULTI-STATE STUDY OF THE ELECTRIC VEHICLE SHOPPING EXPERIENCE[/font][/CENTER]
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Automakers and their affiliated dealerships both play an important role in EV inventory. To sell more EVs, automakers need to accelerate the number of EVs they manufacture and provide additional financial incentives for dealerships to sell them. Automakers also need to make a much larger number of EVs available to dealerships more evenly across each of the ZEV states and beyond. Dealerships, in turn, need to increase the number of EVs they secure from automakers and display prominently on their lots.
One way to increase EV inventory is to remove barriers through free or affordable dealer certification. Some automakers require dealers to pay certification fees, while other automakers provide dealer certification free of charge. For example, the Nissan dealership in Milford, Massachusetts told us it became certified by Nissan to sell EVs at no cost. According to our volunteer’s conversation with a manager at that dealership, Nissan’s certification requirements are online quizzes and tests taken periodically by salespeople to ensure they are informed on their EV models.
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When EVs are placed alongside other models or are parked in the back of a dealership’s lot, it presents an obvious barrier to consumers who may consider purchasing or leasing an EV. In order to promote EV sales, we believe it is important for dealerships to place them in prominent locations, such as in a showroom, by the side of the road, next to charging stations, or under special canopies.
A volunteer visited the Audi dealership in Wallingford, Connecticut and reported there was an EV inside the showroom with a charging station, as well as one in front of the dealership plugged-in and ready to test drive. Glick Nissan in Massachusetts told one of our volunteers that they always have two to three EVs on hand to offer test drives as well as a 240-volt charging station in front of the dealership, which is open for public use as part of Nissan’s No Charge to Charge program. Nissan offers two years of unlimited free public charging for all Nissan Leaf owners at participating dealerships.15 Not only do charging stations make EVs more visible to customers, but they also help build “range confidence” for both current and potential EV drivers because drivers know they can rely on that dealership as a place to charge up.
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Yeah, OK, so it looks like some dealers do a better job than others (personally, I’d like to see a comparison to the same dealer’s scores for conventional vehicles) but I think your suggestion of dealers intentionally sabotaging sales misses the mark. The Nissan dealers seem to be trying, yet sales are down.