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Related: About this forumAs US Climate Policy Stumbles Past Farce, Nothing Will Pierce The Denial Bubble. Nothing.
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I look forward to the glorious day when our confidence in the basics of climate science finally makes it from 97 percent to 100 percent. But I think we have reached a point where we can say conclusively that the substantive scientific case for climate change is not going to pierce the conservative bubble, no matter how sharp the spear. Hurricanes are battering our shores, the West is on fire, that poor 2 percent of remaining scientific skeptics has been refuted, and heres Rush Limbaugh, telling people in Miami not to believe meteorologists.
Its time to realize that more and better science isnt going to make a difference because the conservative movement has become detached from mainstream science just as it has become detached from mainstream journalism. If you believe an institution is corrupt, captured by your enemies on the left, youre not going to care if its confidence goes from 97 to 98 percent, or to 100 percent.
Mainstream science and journalism are saying one thing, conservative media and leadership are saying something else, and US conservatives have been trained for decades to listen only to other conservatives. I called this tribal epistemology in a long post earlier this year, if youre interested in digging in. But the ludicrous dichotomy is right on the surface for all to see: an ever-strengthening case for climate action bouncing off an ever-more-adamantine wall of denial.
For years, US political and media elites have treated GOP climate denialism as a kind of peculiarity, an idiosyncrasy, occasionally to be mocked or fact-checked but mostly, like climate change itself, to be politely ignored. Now it seems climate denial was a canary in the coal mine, harbinger of a more thoroughgoing alienation from mainstream understanding of the world, leaving the right unmoved by conventional understanding of facts, evidence and science, as Ornstein and Mann so memorably put it.
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https://www.vox.com/energy-and-environment/2017/9/7/16258848/us-climate-politics-farce
Solly Mack
(90,779 posts)sharedvalues
(6,916 posts)Rex Tillerson as CEO of Exxon Mobil funded climate change denial.
http://www.exxonsecrets.org/html/index.php
Greg Boyce, CEO of Peabody Energy, American coal company:
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2016/jun/13/peabody-energy-coal-mining-climate-change-denial-funding
And of course Charles and David Koch.
defacto7
(13,485 posts)cynical_idealist
(360 posts)If you keep your head in the sand, sooner or later you get your ass kicked...
It is bizarre how they cling to the fiction that doesn't deserve to be called an alternate reality.
diane in sf
(3,918 posts)this situation. Fortunately the economics of electric vehicles and solar and wind power with ever cheaper backup will help accomplish disempowering the oilers. I really hope it happens very soon, exponentially, like the spread of cell phones, so my neighborhood doesn't go under water in the next 30 years.
If the insurance companies and financial companies end up more powerful than the oil companies, they may help speed this process with their bought politicians. Republicans tend to be owned by arms and oil, Democrats more likely to be owned (take campaign contributions from) by financial types, which is why Democrats can push green policies.
eppur_se_muova
(36,281 posts)They still believe Bu**sh**'s quip about "we make our own reality", never mind that that's pretty much the definition of delusional thinking.