Environment & Energy
Related: About this forumAmeliorating the Fire Risk of Energy Storage Devices.
The paper I will discuss in this link from the primary scientific literature is this one:
Promising and Reversible Electrolyte with Thermal Switching Behavior for Safer Electrochemical Storage Devices (Xu et al, ACS Appl. Mater. Interfaces, 2018, 10 (8), pp 71717179)
As I frequently point out energy storage wastes energy, a consequence of the inviolable second law of thermodynamics, a law of physical science that all the wishful thinking in the world cannot repeal.
Nevertheless, like so called "renewable energy" itself, the idea of energy storage is inexplicably popular, perhaps because even the most enthusiastic and delusional partisans of so called "renewable energy" recognize, at least in the back of their minds if not consciously, that there are times when the wind does not blow at night. Since they are under the erroneous opinion that so called "renewable energy" is "green" and sustainable, they like to pretend that there is a simple solution in energy storage, and do all kinds of cheering for absurd stuff like Elon Musk's crappy car for billionaires and millionaires.
So called "renewable energy" has not worked; it is not working and it will not work to address climate change or reduce the use of dangerous fossil fuels.
On the other hand, energy storage devices are in fact commercial and work quite well, and are utilized on a grand scale in all sorts of devices, the overwhelming majority of them being portable devices even though, again, they waste energy. The idea of making portable devices however into utility scale devices, while already in some marginal practice to support the marginal and insignificant so called "renewable energy" devices is dubious, especially when one considers that large scale devices, since they waste energy, they can and sometimes do, exhibit heat exchange problems that can become uncontrolled and lead to fires and even explosions.
News item: Lithium-Ion Battery on Delta Air Lines Flight Explodes, Catches Fire
The ignition of batteries brought down UPS Flight 6 in Dubai, killing both pilots, one by asphyxiation, the other being killed when he couldn't land the plane because of smoke. It was covered in the wonderful if scary Smithsonian Channel Show Air Disasters.
News Item: Why the Fire that Incinerated a Tesla Was Such a Nightmare to Put Out
Reducing this risk is the topic of the paper cited at the beginning of this post.
Some commentary from the introduction to the paper:
A series of exothermic reactions leading to a rapid rise in temperature and to thermal runaway can be initiated in addition to the charge/discharge cycle, including the thermal pyrolysis of electrodes and evolution of oxygen and hydrogen between the electrode/electrolyte interface, which in turn increases the internal cell temperature and pressure.11 Accordingly, effective suppression of thermal runaway is the premise of achieving safety application and plays a very important role in the research studies of high-energy storage devices.12
You hear people talking as if battery storage and so called "renewable energy" are already mainstream. They are not. They are trivial and if one believes these scientists - contempt for scientists and engineers is very popular on both political extremes - there are serious technical "breakthroughs" required.
The question that should arise in people's minds is therefore a question of time. It's 2018. We're at close to 412 ppm for the concentration of the dangerous fossil fuel waste carbon dioxide in the planetary atmosphere. We cannot continue - if, in spite of all evidence, we want to have any hope of elevating our ghastly impoverished moral standing - to bet the future on hopes for "breakthroughs." We're out of time to wait for them.
Nevertheless, the authors are doing what good scientists do, they are working to solve the problem that the existing problem represents. Their work involves "thermoresponsive polymers." The idea is to shut down the device before it gets too hot and catches fire or explodes. (It's better to have your swell Tesla car stall and be even more useless than it is to have it catch fire and kill people.)
They describe the current state of affairs:
Then they discuss their approach:
Methyl cellulose can be obtained of course from wood and other biological materials and to the extent biological sources are used, this material might represent economically viable sequestration of atmospheric carbon, probably in amounts that would be trivial compared to our 35 billion ton dumping practices in use today, but perhaps meaningful in a world where carbon dumping was arrested by the expanded development and embrace of nuclear energy.
They then produce a graphic showing how their system is designed to work:
The caption:
Here are the cyclic voltammetry (CV) curves showing the reversibility of charge and discharge, a property essential to make a viable battery:
The caption:
Figure 2. Electrochemical properties of AC electrodes in 2 wt % MC-based electrolyte (1 M H2SO4). The CV curves were performed at scan rates of 10, 50, and 100 mV/s on AC electrodes at (a) 25 and (b) 70 °C. The charge/discharge characteristics in reversible electrolyte using a current density of 3 A g−1 at (c) RT, 25 °C and (d) HT, 70 °C.
They test the shutdown of current in terms of heat responsiveness:
The caption:
The DSC curve, curve C, is a differential scanning calorimetry curve, which shows the transition temperature at which the electrolyte converts from a liquid into a gel. This temperature is comfortably low.
And finally, a nice picture of stuff in their lab by which they do the testing:
The caption:
Interesting work, I think. If we must waste energy by storing it, let's try to do it safely at least.
Now of course, I fully recognize that our concept of "safety" is a function of selective attention. I recall a mindless fool here, for example - whose happily made it to my "ignore" list - who focused on the "major news" that a tunnel at the Hanford Nuclear Weapons site collapsed, which in his tiny brain "proved" that nuclear energy was "unsafe," while so called "renewable energy" was without risk.
And of course, people couldn't care less if Tesla cars for billionaires and millionaires catch fire, or if computer batteries bring down planes.
I submit that this kind of thinking is the reason we are at 412 ppm and out of time. It didn't have to be this way, but it is.
All this said, I applaud the fact that these Chinese scientists, if not the general public here in the United States and indeed around the world, are paying attention to risks that are real as opposed to those that are inflated.
Have a pleasant Sunday afternoon.
hunter
(38,322 posts)Lithium iron phosphate batteries are currently considered the most "foolproof" of common lithium battery chemistries.
They're increasingly being used as drop-in replacements for heavy lead acid batteries.
NNadir
(33,538 posts)...batteries use fairly flammable ketones as electrolytes. If I recall correctly, methyl ethyl ketone is a common one.
The idea behind the technology reported in the OP is to "freeze" out the electrolytes before they get too hot, which they can do in a runaway discharge.
The journals I read often have a lot of comment and papers about batteries, and I have attended several lectures on the subject, but its not a central focus of my interests, since, again, energy storage is generally wasteful and my interest is in improving the use of energy as opposed to wasting it.
So a lot of what's written about batteries escapes my eye or slips out of my brain, except for the purpose of ridiculing the strange enthusiasm among us on the left for Musk's stupid car for billionaires and millionaires.
For some reason though, this paper caught my eye. I'm always interested in phase transitions, and my kid took a class last semester on the thermodynamics of materials, so that might have something to do with it.
This is a journal by the way, that is massively rich with papers, so rich that I can't really keep up with it. I read fast, but not that fast.
I'm sorry I can't be much help here.
Eko
(7,332 posts)"Now of course, I fully recognize that our concept of "safety" is a function of selective attention. I recall a mindless fool here, for example - whose happily made it to my "ignore" list - who focused on the "major news" that a tunnel at the Hanford Nuclear Weapons site collapsed, which in his tiny brain "proved" that nuclear energy was "unsafe," while so called "renewable energy" was without risk."
Might I suggest using your vaunted research skills to show where it was said that "renewable energy" was without risk."? Here is a link to help you out.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/1127109489
hunter
(38,322 posts)... sourced alternative battery chemistries are at least 14% heavier than lithium nickel cobalt aluminum oxide (NCA) batteries.
These car battery packs are totally inappropriate for home use, but what the heck, Elon Musk has got himself a "gigafactory." You can hang his batteries on the wall of your garage.
Oooo awwww...
NNadir has already posted on the evils of the cobalt mining industry.
https://upload.democraticunderground.com/1127116904
You were there.
The engineering of these Tesla battery packs is quite involved... they almost make nuclear power look easy. It takes some mad engineering skills to make an electric car like this that doesn't spontaneously combust.
http://evtv.me/2018/05/tesla-model-3-gone-battshit/
My favorite part of the new Tesla battery packs are the explosive fuses; fuses that literally have explosives in them to disconnect the battery pack should anything goes wrong as determined by the sophisticated computer monitor system.
Eko
(7,332 posts)as you didn't address a single thing I said.