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Related: About this forumA guy who seems to know meteorology well but climate ?
Note, I don't buy into the political and financial scheme based "Global Warming" which siphons trillions of dollars off of our worldwide populous monthly in the form of green taxes, carbon taxes, fuel surcharges which lead to product and shipping hikes, and jacked up storm and coastal flood insurance premiums.
The two are and should be separated as one is factual (climate change) and one is unproven to fradulent (man's direct contributions).
The two are and should be separated as one is factual (climate change) and one is unproven to fradulent (man's direct contributions).
http://www.stormhamster.com/entry/e073018.htm
https://twitter.com/crankywxguy
I follow this guy on Twitter for his highly technical weather analyzes but this shocked me. Granted, I knew he tended to lean a bit rightward but this shocked me.
I am not totally up to speed on climate change. On the "man's direct contribution front", he is 100% wrong, correct ? Now that I know he is so ignorant on this topic, I may stop following him for weather stuff.
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A guy who seems to know meteorology well but climate ? (Original Post)
steve2470
Jul 2018
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progree
(11,412 posts)1. An overwhelming majority of climate scientists think humans are the major cause of the climate
change we've been seeing. Atmospheric CO2, a greenhouse gas, is almost 50% higher than in pre-industrial times. Most of the warming of the past 150 years has occurred in just the past 35 years, and I haven't heard of any plausible natural-cause reason given for that.
fleabiscuit
(4,542 posts)2. That's an important distinction. Meteorologists are not climate scientists.
And only about a third of meteorologists have a bachelors degree or better.
steve2470
(37,461 posts)4. that was my memory, thank you
I will stop reading his stuff.
lamsmy
(155 posts)3. If you watch him you are supporting him
Internet broadcasters, FB phenoms, Twitter stars, etc all sell themselves to sponsors by the number of viewers, likes, and followers they garner.
Never follow anyone who spews garbage - even out of curiosity. Check in every once in a while maybe, but don't contribute to their economic base.
steve2470
(37,461 posts)5. I'm going to stop reading his stuff, cannot believe he's that ignorant nt
Duppers
(28,194 posts)6. AMEN!! +1000
progree
(11,412 posts)7. In another climate thread, Caliman73 gave me a 6 min video -- I made a little transcript
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100210904287
I'm highlighting in the below just the parts that indicate humans are the cause of most of it. Part of the evidence is just the speed that it is occurring at -- e.g. warming is 10 times faster than when coming out of an ice age.
Climate Science: What You Need To Know, published December 2014
The below "transcript" is entirely my work listening to it on mostly a once-through basis. I indicate the APPROXIMATE time of each paragraph in mm:ss.
The informative part starts at 1:00
CO2 in the atmosphere has increased about 40% since 1790.
1:35: Since 1970, when warming increase has been fastest, solar activity has been declining (graph shows solar activity increasing for about 5 years -- 1970-1975 -- and then declining to a little below its 1970 level.
1:45: If the sun was to blame, it would heat the upper and lower atmospheres. Instead we see warming only in the lower layer -- the layer affected by the greenhouse gasses.
2:10: studying trapped gasses in ice cores, CO2 levels are the highest in nearly a million years (the graph has "800,000 years ago on it" and ~190 ppm. It's about 410 ppm now)
2:20: Earth is warming at about 10X the rate as at the end of an ice age.
2:35: How do we know the increased CO2 levels is our fault? Answer: by looking at the isotope composition of CO2 in the atmosphere. Plants prefer aborbing CO2 with carbon 12 in it instead of carbon 13. So when plants are burned (by way of burning fossil fuels), the ratio of carbon 12 CO2 levels to carbon 13 CO2 levels increase -- and that's exactly what we see in the atmosphere.
2:58: and it's not volcanic activity producing the CO2 -- volcanic activity produces only about 0.2 gigatons/year of CO2 -- about 1% of what humans do ( approximately 35 gigatons / year ).
3:10: Other greenhouse gasses are increasing including methane from farm animals and natural gas processing, and nitrous oxide from fertilizer,
Climate models in the absence of increased greenhouse gas concentrations in the atmosphere predict cooling, and that is definitely NOT what's happening.
3:40: Each decade of the last 3 decades has been warmer than any other decade since we started measuring temperatures in the 1850s.
3:42: Since 1900 temperatures have increased almost a full degree (centigrade), and most of that warming has occured since 1970.
3:50 Looking at tree rings and ice cores, the last 3 decades is probably the warmest in 8 centuries.
4:00: Oceans absorb about 90% of the heat added to the planet. Ocean temperatures are rising -- average sea level is rising at about 0.1" per year ... ocean levels on average have risen 8 inches since 1901 (due to water expanding as it warms, plus melting of ice that is on land).
4:30: about CO2 increased concentrations in ocean causing ocean acidification and affecting marine life with shells. We're on course to hit PH 7.8 in the oceans in 100 years -- which could wipe out 1/3 of ocean species.
4:45: Levels of summer sea ice in the Arctic have decreased 40% since 1978 .. they might be at the lowest levels in 1400 years. That white ice surface reflects a lot of sunlight back into space. The dark sea water that is replacing it absorbs much more of the sun's energy (thus adding to global temperature -- a vicious cycle -- heat melts ice causing more dark ocean surface area absorbing more heat which melts more ice ... ).
5:00: With current CO2 increase trends, earth is on course to be 2.6 - 4.8 deg C warmer (4.7 - 8.6 deg F) in 100 years ... and oceans 1 meter higher.
5:20: The last time earth was only a few degrees colder, most of North America was covered in an ice sheet. So what will happen when temperatures are a few degrees warmer? We're going to have a bad time.
I'm highlighting in the below just the parts that indicate humans are the cause of most of it. Part of the evidence is just the speed that it is occurring at -- e.g. warming is 10 times faster than when coming out of an ice age.
Climate Science: What You Need To Know, published December 2014
The below "transcript" is entirely my work listening to it on mostly a once-through basis. I indicate the APPROXIMATE time of each paragraph in mm:ss.
The informative part starts at 1:00
CO2 in the atmosphere has increased about 40% since 1790.
1:35: Since 1970, when warming increase has been fastest, solar activity has been declining (graph shows solar activity increasing for about 5 years -- 1970-1975 -- and then declining to a little below its 1970 level.
1:45: If the sun was to blame, it would heat the upper and lower atmospheres. Instead we see warming only in the lower layer -- the layer affected by the greenhouse gasses.
2:10: studying trapped gasses in ice cores, CO2 levels are the highest in nearly a million years (the graph has "800,000 years ago on it" and ~190 ppm. It's about 410 ppm now)
2:20: Earth is warming at about 10X the rate as at the end of an ice age.
2:35: How do we know the increased CO2 levels is our fault? Answer: by looking at the isotope composition of CO2 in the atmosphere. Plants prefer aborbing CO2 with carbon 12 in it instead of carbon 13. So when plants are burned (by way of burning fossil fuels), the ratio of carbon 12 CO2 levels to carbon 13 CO2 levels increase -- and that's exactly what we see in the atmosphere.
2:58: and it's not volcanic activity producing the CO2 -- volcanic activity produces only about 0.2 gigatons/year of CO2 -- about 1% of what humans do ( approximately 35 gigatons / year ).
3:10: Other greenhouse gasses are increasing including methane from farm animals and natural gas processing, and nitrous oxide from fertilizer,
Climate models in the absence of increased greenhouse gas concentrations in the atmosphere predict cooling, and that is definitely NOT what's happening.
3:40: Each decade of the last 3 decades has been warmer than any other decade since we started measuring temperatures in the 1850s.
3:42: Since 1900 temperatures have increased almost a full degree (centigrade), and most of that warming has occured since 1970.
3:50 Looking at tree rings and ice cores, the last 3 decades is probably the warmest in 8 centuries.
4:00: Oceans absorb about 90% of the heat added to the planet. Ocean temperatures are rising -- average sea level is rising at about 0.1" per year ... ocean levels on average have risen 8 inches since 1901 (due to water expanding as it warms, plus melting of ice that is on land).
4:30: about CO2 increased concentrations in ocean causing ocean acidification and affecting marine life with shells. We're on course to hit PH 7.8 in the oceans in 100 years -- which could wipe out 1/3 of ocean species.
4:45: Levels of summer sea ice in the Arctic have decreased 40% since 1978 .. they might be at the lowest levels in 1400 years. That white ice surface reflects a lot of sunlight back into space. The dark sea water that is replacing it absorbs much more of the sun's energy (thus adding to global temperature -- a vicious cycle -- heat melts ice causing more dark ocean surface area absorbing more heat which melts more ice ... ).
5:00: With current CO2 increase trends, earth is on course to be 2.6 - 4.8 deg C warmer (4.7 - 8.6 deg F) in 100 years ... and oceans 1 meter higher.
5:20: The last time earth was only a few degrees colder, most of North America was covered in an ice sheet. So what will happen when temperatures are a few degrees warmer? We're going to have a bad time.