Environment & Energy
Related: About this forumAs Of Yesterday, Lake Mead Below 1070', Five Feet Below Shortage Trigger Level
Lake Mead, the largest reservoir in the U.S. created by the Hoover Dam in Nevada, has sunk to its lowest levels ever, as extreme heat and drought scorch the western U.S.
Located 30 miles (50 km) east of Las Vegas, Lake Mead is crucial for millions of people in the western part of the country. It supplies water for 25 million people including in cities of Los Angeles, San Diego, Tucson, Phoenix and Las Vegas, while the Hoover Dam generates hydroelectric power for 1.3 million people in Nevada, Arizona, and California. Currently, the lake is 16 feet below where it was this time last year, with the reservoir only 37% full.
Researchers are already warning that the dwindling water supply in Lake Mead will affect millions in the west, with some people being forced to make painful water cuts. Scientists are also projecting that Colorado River, which feeds into Lake Mead, could declare its first water-shortage later this year. Reuters reports that the lakes water level has dropped more than 140 feet since 2000, losing over 5.5 trillion gallons of water in that time. The lakes surface has recently fallen below 1,070 feet above sea level since it was filled in the 1930's according to the U.S. Bureau of Reclamation.
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Farmers have been forced to abandon crops, Nevadas new law bans about 40% of "useless grass" in Las Vegas in effort to conserve water, and the Governor of Utah, Spencer Cox, asked people to pray for rain. Temperatures set new records for the region last week with some hitting as high as 118 degrees (48 Celsius).
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https://newsus.cgtn.com/news/2021-06-23/Lake-Mead-reaches-lowest-levels-amid-severe-drought-in-the-western-US-11jG1FVDM8o/index.html
Wingus Dingus
(8,059 posts)could use a couple more Democrats...now I don't know. The southwest truly seems overburdened in terms of water supply even without historic drought, and Arizona inexplicably allows farms and businesses in some districts to pump out as much groundwater as they please without any metering or regulation. I don't want to be stuck as a homeowner with draconian rationing or loss of home value in my late years.
PortTack
(32,790 posts)With a 2 decade old drought and a worthless red legislator doing nothing to address the issue ..it isnt a going to have a good outcome
Wingus Dingus
(8,059 posts)CrispyQ
(36,502 posts)Also, visit AZ in the summer before you decide. And realize that as climate change gets worse, AZs summer extremes will become standard more & more days of the year. I live on the Colorado front range & I believe that in another 10 years our summers will be nearly as brutal as AZs, so their summers will be unbearable. When I was a kid, summer in CO was perfection on Earth. We'd have an occasional hot day, but generally the hot days were in the 80s with lots of 70s & some 60s, too. We'd get a late afternoon thunderstorm that would cool things down & have the most perfect evenings & nights you could imagine. So far this month we've had 14 days over 90° and three days over 100°. That was unheard of when I was a kid & it's just gonna get worse.
With climate change, there are so many factors to consider, but I'd move north if I were you. As far north as you can afford.
Wingus Dingus
(8,059 posts)Even in the decade I've lived here I've noticed the heat waves becoming more prolonged, pushing my semi-arid region into full aridity some years. We had such insane drought in 2018 that I had pronghorn antelope fighting over the septic field greenery in my backyard. However, I also wasn't fond of the snowstorm and bitter cold we had last mid-September, and I'm also not super fond of regular snowstorms in May. The Colorado whiplash of seasons is taking its toll on me. SUMMER! WINTER! SUMMER! MORE WINTER! Some people like that, but I'm looking for more reliable weather patterns I guess. Nine possible months of winter weather, even in the warmest parts of CO where I deliberately live, is just too much potential winter for me.
I have visited AZ in the summer because I have a family member who lives there (one of the other reasons we were thinking of moving there--that and I hate winter), and yes, it wasn't comfortable outside, but I prefer heat to snow. You have to pick your poison, LOL. I had always assumed until recently that they had their water situation figured out a long time ago. Phoenix is so vast, you'd think AZ must have their shit together to have one of the largest cities in the country with people living normal lives in the desert. But now I wonder if it's a house of cards. Utah governor is praying for rain, which means they have no real leadership or clues there, and I am guessing AZ with its lunatic MAGA takeover is even worse in terms of management.
So, back to the drawing board. Pacific Northwest coast?-- as unaffordable as CO has become (or even more so) but not much snow I hear.
CrispyQ
(36,502 posts)to all the doors & windows open & the ceiling fans on. We're considering relocating, too, but affordability is a huge issue so we may just have to tough it out here. Also, even though someone jokingly suggested more dems need to move to red areas, I really don't want to live in a red-red state. Good luck!
Wingus Dingus
(8,059 posts)living on my husband's pension, primarily--don't want to have a mortgage, and don't want to tie up too much money into a house/repairs either. Thanks and good luck to you too!
vercetti2021
(10,156 posts)This is what happens when you build cities in the middle of the fucking desert
CrispyQ
(36,502 posts)but I don't recall who or the context. It could have been satire.
vercetti2021
(10,156 posts)That would have to be a very long pipeline and from where the ocean? They need to make a way where they can catch flood runoff water and filter it into the lake
CrispyQ
(36,502 posts)and it looks like a water pipeline from the east (Great Lakes or Mississippi River) to the west is an idea that's been around for a long time but never implemented.
Delphinus
(11,840 posts)water from the Great Lakes for a few years; I've never heard anyone saying it's a good idea though.
hunter
(38,325 posts)It's not a matter of catching flood waters. Lake Mead hasn't been full for twenty years so it's essentially catching all the flood water upstream of the dam.
I figure Arizona will start swapping electricity for California's share of Colorado River water. This electricity would power desalinization plants on the California coast for local use.
Cities in the Los Angeles and San Diego metropolitan areas currently import water from the Colorado River for a portion of their water supply. They could switch to desalinated water subsidized by Arizona. In return Arizona would get their share of Colorado River water.
Arizona already has arrangements like this with some Indian tribes and Mexico, so it's not politically impossible.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colorado_River_Aqueduct
It's easier to send electricity from Arizona to the California coast than it is to pump desalinated water from the coast uphill and over mountains to Lake Mead.
If Arizona could cooperate with Mexico then desalinization plants could also be built in Mexico drawing water from the Gulf of California. Pumping that desalinated water uphill to Phoenix isn't an insurmountable technical challenge but the water would be expensive. Most residential users could afford to use their toilets for a penny or two per flush and take long showers, but desalinated water is too expensive for farmers.
It's insane to use fossil fuels to desalinate seawater because fossil fuels caused this problem and are making it worse. Fortunately there are other ways to make electricity.
Rather than abandoning Phoenix to global warming when the Colorado River dead pools at Lake Mead, and the Salt River is reduced to an occasional trickle, I suspect Arizonians will embrace nuclear power and desalinization plants even if they have to help pay for desalinization plants in California and Mexico.
Going to "war" over water would be a grave mistake. Arizona would lose and the Phoenix metropolitan area would depopulate as conditions became more intolerable.
Mickju
(1,805 posts)I was five years old and remember it vividly. I even remember having a conversation with our tour guide. It is overwhelmingly huge. Here is a video about its construction.
hunter
(38,325 posts)... was only temporary.
Mother Nature was not impressed.
I remember visiting the dam as a child as well.
Our tour guide was one of the workers who built it.