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Caribbeans

(777 posts)
Tue Mar 22, 2022, 09:52 PM Mar 2022

Emission-Free BMW iX5 Hydrogen Car Review from the Arctic Circle - Arjeplog, Sweden



BMW iX5 Hydrogen Review | Part 1. BMW engineers have worked hard since to perfect the technology in the iX5 Hydrogen prototype and was now finally ready to be handed out to a selected number of journalists. And there is no better place to do so than at the BMW Testing Center in Arjeplog, Sweden.

BMW iX5 Hydrogen - Exclusive Review and Drifting part 2



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Watch our exclusive review of the BMW iX5 Hydrogen. We were one of the three journalists in the world to get behind the wheel of the new BMW iX5 Hydrogen car at the BMW secret testing facility in Sweden.

To make things even more exciting, we also had the chance to drift the BMW iX5 Hydrogen prototype. The hydrogen BMW is a rear-wheel drive vehicle delivering 170 horsepower. A small battery gives additional boost for a total of 374 horsepower, just like the new BMW 240i Coupe.

We also compare the BMW iX5 Hydrogen with battery-powered electric vehicles, like the BMW i4 and iX. Which one is the future of mobility? Let's find out!

BMW iX5 Hydrogen defies the extreme cold. The BMW iX5 Hydrogen is undergoing its final winter testing in one of the coldest regions in the world. Tests confirm: the hydrogen fuel cell drive defies even the lowest temperatures.
https://www.bmwgroup.com/en/news/general/2022/bmw-ix5-hydrogen.html

Meanwhile, Toyota introduces emission-free driving in India which has just initiated a National Hydrogen Mission.



India has just joined China in the race to dominate the new Hydrogen Industry

WHERE DO THEY GET HYDROGEN?



2.4 Billion people helping to usher in the global Hydrogen Society. The despicable Nixon/Kissinger PetroDollar is about to finally fail and this is a great thing.

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Emission-Free BMW iX5 Hydrogen Car Review from the Arctic Circle - Arjeplog, Sweden (Original Post) Caribbeans Mar 2022 OP
This gets rehashed everytime but hydrogen is an energy carrier. CentralMass Mar 2022 #1
Literally everyone in today's hydrogen industry is working towards green hydrogen Caribbeans Mar 2022 #2
A related article CentralMass Mar 2022 #3
Regarding efficiency.. CentralMass Mar 2022 #4
Hydrogen is not emission free. It's just part of a thermodynamically questionable shell game. n/t. NNadir Mar 2022 #5
God forbid the existing business models of our automobile culture get broken! hunter Mar 2022 #6

CentralMass

(15,265 posts)
1. This gets rehashed everytime but hydrogen is an energy carrier.
Tue Mar 22, 2022, 10:16 PM
Mar 2022

Meaning it take energy to produce it and more energy to compress it. Then there are losses converting it into mechanical energy.
Battery powered electric vehicles are a much more efficient use of the energy

The cheapest way to produce it now is to "reform" natural gas requiring thermal energy and the process produces carbon byproducts. We aren't even close to having enough renewable energy sources to be able to produce enough hydrogen to replace petroleum fuels.
What is the real cost per equivalent gallon in these trial studies ? They are giving away the hydrogen and or subsidizing the price.


Caribbeans

(777 posts)
2. Literally everyone in today's hydrogen industry is working towards green hydrogen
Tue Mar 22, 2022, 10:30 PM
Mar 2022
Meaning it take energy to produce it and more energy to compress it.


Same with a battery (without compression)

Battery powered electric vehicles are a much more efficient use of the energy


But people pay for convenience every day. Not everyone is going to want to wait at a charger, especially salespeople.

The answer is BOTH BEV and H2.

What is the real cost per equivalent gallon in these trial studies ?


The real benefit will come with .01- .02 cents per kWh solar and wind

.01 cents per kWh = .50 cents per Kg H2 hydrogen.

Those are the numbers people are working with in China, India, Australia and parts of Europe.

CentralMass

(15,265 posts)
3. A related article
Tue Mar 22, 2022, 10:40 PM
Mar 2022
https://www.rechargenews.com/transition/a-wake-up-call-on-green-hydrogen-the-amount-of-wind-and-solar-needed-is-immense/2-1-776481
"However, there is an elephant in the room that must be addressed — producing the vast quantities of green H2 that the world will need would require an absolutely massive amount of renewable energy.

According to the International Renewable Energy Agency (Irena), the world will need 19 exajoules of green hydrogen in the energy system in 2050 — between 133.8 million and 158.3 million tonnes a year.

Recharge calculations show that producing such a volume would require at least 6,690TWh of dedicated electricity every year — the equivalent of 1,775GW of offshore wind farms, 2,243GW of onshore wind, 4,240GW of solar PV or 957GW of nuclear power (see panel below for details)
To put this in perspective, at the end of 2018, the world had installed 540.4GW of onshore wind, 23.4GW of offshore wind, 480.4GW of solar PV and 397GW of operating nuclear reactors, according to Irena and the World Nuclear Association. And virtually all of this capacity is being used to generate electricity, not green hydrogen.

Annual growth rates for wind and solar are increasing, but nowhere near fast enough for the world to be in line with Paris Agreement goals. Terawatts of renewable energy will be needed to produce green hydrogen, but that seems secondary to the demand from the rapidly growing electricity sector, which needs to decarbonise while simultaneously powering ever larger shares of the heating and transport sectors."
"

More in the article.

hunter

(38,327 posts)
6. God forbid the existing business models of our automobile culture get broken!
Tue Mar 22, 2022, 11:51 PM
Mar 2022

This is just more flimflammery from the fossil fuel industry. They know this hydrogen fuel will be made from natural gas, and that the carbon will be dumped in the atmosphere. These cars simply shift the emissions from the tailpipe to the hydrogen producer.

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