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DOE's Jigar Shah explains why DOE is backing a huge green hydrogen hub
The DOE’s Loan Programs Office has conditionally approved a $504 million loan guarantee for what’s expected to be one of biggest green hydrogen projects in the U.S.
In this episode of Catalyst, host Shayle Kann talks to Jigar Shah, director of the Department of Energy’s Loan Programs Office, about the ACES project. Shah explains what made ACES an attractive applicant to the Loan Programs Office, the government agency behind the conditional loan guarantee. They discuss why the salt-dome storage is essential to making the project work, and other uses for hydrogen beyond power production, like as a feedstock for ammonia production and other heavy industries. They also break down the difficulties in transporting hydrogen and the need to locate hydrogen production near consumption.
https://www.canarymedia.com/podcasts/catalyst-with-shayle-kann/hydrogen-meet-the-salt-dome
DOE Hydrogen Shot -- 1 for 1 in One Decade - $1 per 1 Kg H2 by 2030
$1 / Kg = a full tank for ~$6.00 - with zero emissions. This is the biggest energy revolution in at least 100 years.
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Do you think the Engineers at the DOE know any of the stuff you posted?
Or any of the top engineers of the >30 nations that have published "National Hydrogen Strategies"??
So... other than making the stuff, storing the stuff, creating safe ways to transport it and dispense it to consumers
Let me get this straight. Hydrogen made it possible to send astronauts to the moon a few times - with 1960's tech - yet in 2022 humans cannot figure out how to make it, store it and transport it?
Ridiculous. As for storing it, we now have carbon fibre tanks and dispenser tech is improving every year - for example Nel Hydrogen.
Modern H2 Cryo-tank - stores liquid H2 at -400 degrees
That new Cryo-tank above is for hydrogen airplanes - which are being built as you read this.
most car manufacturers have decided to go a different direction and use batteries or (long awaited) super capacitors to store electricity.
And many have not, and haven't even introduced their H2 cars yet - like BMW and Renault. China is the game changer - they are mass producing H2 cars and trucks right now. India is now prioritizing hydrogen.
Many arguments against hydrogen are either 40+ years old - and the "issues" have been solved yet the person making those arguments haven't heard, or they are from those that think there can only be one answer to electric mobility - and that is environmentally unfriendly batteries. Or lithium - ion battery salesmen, like Musk who is famous for saying "Hydrogen is Dumb".
It's 2022 and hydrogen is the next big thing.
Don't believe me, search and you will see.
...public fantasies, which explains the long failed hydrogen and so called "renewable energy" scam, and something called "reality."
There is lots of funding for stuff that won't work. It is a mistake, a serious mistake, to cheer for popularity rather than what is workable. There is a name for this type of bad thinking. It's called the bandwagon fallacy.
Then there's the famous quote attributed to Upton Sinclair.
There is something called the "laws of thermodynamics" and there is also a place where it is discussed regularly, called "the primary scientific literature."
Hydrogen is not and never will be (on the planet Earth) a primary form of energy. Most good engineers know the second law of thermodynamics and anyone who reads the primary scientific literature can easily find how hydrogen is manufactured now, after half a century of the same bullshit refusing to die:
I'm catching up on some back reading. The following graphic came from this paper: Progress on Catalyst Development for the Steam Reforming of Biomass and Waste Plastics Pyrolysis Volatiles: A Review Laura Santamaria, Gartzen Lopez, Enara Fernandez, Maria Cortazar, Aitor Arregi, Martin Olazar, and Javier Bilbao Energy & Fuels 2021 35 (21), 17051-17084
Here's the graphic:
The caption:
All of the primary energy sources in the pie chart in (a) have more energy than the hydrogen produced using them. This is the result of the 2nd law of thermodynamics.
Yet we still have people, year after year, decade after decade, calling this waste of primary energy in a shell game "green."
It's difficult to believe, but perhaps this is why we are seeing carbon dioxide concentrations scraping 421 ppm this week, less than ten years after we first saw concentrations of 400 ppm.
My feeling is that people should be required to have a passing familiarity with the laws of thermodynamics before being awarded a high school degree. It won't happen, but I think it should.
Here's the graphic:
The caption:
Figure 1. Global current sources of H2 production (a), and H2 consumption sectors (b).
All of the primary energy sources in the pie chart in (a) have more energy than the hydrogen produced using them. This is the result of the 2nd law of thermodynamics.
Yet we still have people, year after year, decade after decade, calling this waste of primary energy in a shell game "green."
It's difficult to believe, but perhaps this is why we are seeing carbon dioxide concentrations scraping 421 ppm this week, less than ten years after we first saw concentrations of 400 ppm.
My feeling is that people should be required to have a passing familiarity with the laws of thermodynamics before being awarded a high school degree. It won't happen, but I think it should.
I cited the very recent paper in the primary scientific literature here: The current sources and uses of hydrogen.
The hydrogen scam, like the solar and wind scam, is nothing but a front for the continued reliance on dangerous fossil fuels.
It is, frankly, pure idiocy to attempt to make hydrogen a consumer product, although produced by means not even close to being commercial, thermochemical water splitting, it might be a useful captive intermediate.
Cheering for it now under the current circumstances, with the concentrations of the dangerous fossil fuel waste carbon dioxide now at 420 ppm, is simply cheering for the status quo, in essence, cheering for dirty energy and cheering for climate change.
