Environment & Energy
Related: About this forum"It's As If No One Cares": RE Investment Continues On The Sand Bar That Is The NC Outer Banks
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Viewed from an airplane, the nearly 200-mile-long ribbon of islands resembles a childs Etch-A-Sketch drawing, skewing north to south for miles, then suddenly veering east to west near Hatteras Village, before turning once more in a southeasterly direction. Some of the islands are low and narrow, only a few feet above sea level, and especially vulnerable to winter Noreasters and hurricanes in summers. The warm waters of the Gulf Stream and colder Labrador Current collide just miles offshore, creating dangerous shoals and some of the largest waves along the East Coast. Over many centuries, scores of inlets have opened and closed on the Outer Banks, while the barrier islands have slowly migrated landward as sand has washed across shorelines and flats on the oceanside and marshes have expanded along the backside, according to one federal study.
Despite these risks, developers continue to add billions of dollars of real estate, from Corolla in the north to Ocracoke Village in the south, making the Outer Banks the fastest-growing section of the North Carolina coast. Property values have also soared to at an all-time high. Dare County, which includes thousands of beach homes, recently valued all of its property at nearly $18 billion. While the value of ocean property in smaller Currituck County has ballooned to almost $5 billion. Its as if no one cares, says Danny Couch, a Dare County Commissioner, real estate agent and sometimes tour guide. A lot of people have so much money they dont care about the risk.
In the last decade alone, DOT has spent nearly $80 million dollars to keep hazard-prone NC 12 open for the year-round residents of the lower Outer Banks. That includes rebuilding the S-Curves three different times, but doesnt include the cost of three new bridges needed to traverse inlets opened by storms or to bypass the rapidly eroding shoreline. Together, the bridges push the cost of maintaining NC 12 to about a half-billion dollars.
Asked if there were another highway as vulnerable as NC 12, Colin Mellor, a DOT environmental specialist, shuffled around a bit before answering: No, emphatically, is the answer. NC 12 is a poster child nationwide, if not worldwide, he said. Its a North Carolina route on a ribbon of sand that jumps out into the ocean.
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https://e360.yale.edu/features/outer-banks-climate-change-flooding
moose65
(3,168 posts)The Outer Banks (OBX) used to be a collection of fishing villages. Now, the villages are full of multimillion dollar oceanfront homes with 14 bedrooms. The people who actually live there are constantly being forced out - they can't afford to live in their own towns.
Add to that the unintended consequences of Airbnb and VRBO, and you have towns where the people who work there can't find anywhere to live. There is almost no longterm rental housing available. Some people commute from the mainland and drive over an hour to get to work. That is not sustainable.
Ferrets are Cool
(21,110 posts)moose65
(3,168 posts)Any place that is a tourist or vacation destination has been utterly destroyed by Airbnb and VRBO. In my area (mountains of NC) there is virtually NO long-term housing available. Anyone who owns houses here but doesn't live here now rents them out as short-term vacation rentals.
People who work here have a hard time finding places to live. And if anything IS available, the prices are out of reach for so many. I am talking about two-room apartments that rent for $2,000 a month. If I didn't have my own house (purchased in 2003), I couldn't afford to live here, and I make a pretty decent living.
I don't know what the solution is.
mahatmakanejeeves
(57,647 posts)Fri Sep 24, 2021: The Cost of Insuring Expensive Waterfront Homes Is About to Skyrocket
hatrack talked about this three weeks ago. This is a revival of that thread.
I don't see how the houses in the picture could not flood.
Sun Sep 5, 2021: Shocked Shocked 2: For 1.7 Million Floridians, Flood Insurance Premiums Set To Rise
Kevin M. Kruse Retweeted
Florida's coastal development is built to a large extent on heavily subsidized federal flood insurance.
The shift could reshape coastal real estate markets unless Congress manages to kill it. https://nytimes.com/2021/09/24/climate/federal-flood-insurance-cost.html?referringSource=articleShare
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New federal flood insurance rates that better reflect the real risks of climate change are coming. For some, premiums will rise sharply.
Beachfront homes in Anna Maria, Fla. One ZIP code in the area leads the country in the number of single-family homes facing an increase of more than $1,200. Eve Edelheit for The New York Times
By Christopher Flavelle
Sept. 24, 2021
Updated 9:38 a.m. ET
Floridas version of the American dream, which holds that even people of relatively modest means can aspire to live near the water, depends on a few crucial components: sugar white beaches, soft ocean breezes and federal flood insurance that is heavily subsidized.
But starting Oct. 1, communities in Florida and elsewhere around the country will see those subsidies begin to disappear in a nationwide experiment in trying to adapt to climate change: Forcing Americans to pay something closer to the real cost of their flood risk, which is rising as the planet warms. ... While the program also covers homes around the country, the pain will be most acutely felt in coastal communities. For the first time, the new rates will also take into account the size of a home, so that large houses by the ocean could see an especially big jump in rates.
Federal officials say the goal is fairness and also getting homeowners to understand the extent of the risk they face, and perhaps move to safer ground, reducing the human and financial toll of disasters. ... Subsidized insurance has been critical for supporting coastal real estate markets, said Benjamin Keys, a professor at the University of Pennsylvanias Wharton School. Removing that subsidy, he said, is likely to affect where Americans build houses and how much people will pay for them. Its going to require a major rethink about coastal living.
The Biden administrations new approach threatens home values, perhaps nowhere as intensely as Florida, a state particularly exposed to rising seas and worsening hurricanes. In some parts of the state, the cost of flood insurance will eventually increase tenfold, according to data obtained by The New York Times. ... For example, Jennifer Zales, a real estate agent who lives in Tampa, pays $480 a year for flood insurance. Under the new system, her rates will eventually reach $7,147, according to Jake Holehouse, her insurance agent.
And that is prompting lawmakers from both parties to line up to block the new rates, which will be phased in over several years.
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Fri Sep 24, 2021: Orrin Pilkey's Call to Retreat From the Beach
Note: do not confuse Orrin Pilkey with his brother, Walter Pilkey, who taught mechanical engineering at UVa.
Orrin Pilkey's Call to Retreat From the Beach
Orrin Pilkey's call for humans to retreat from the beach and allow any structure that cant be moved back to fall into the sea has been called radical and reproachable in more letters to the editor than he can count. But love him or loathe him, theres no denying the impact Pilkey has had.
November 25, 2019
Over the course of his 56-year career in coastal geology, Orrin Pilkey has butted heads with real-estate developers and property owners in just about every beach town east of the Mississippi.
His call for humans to retreat from the beach and allow any structure that cant be moved back to fall into the sea has been called radical and reproachable in more letters to the editor than he can count.
But love him or loathe him, theres no denying the impact Pilkey, James B. Duke Emeritus Professor of Geology, has had.
The North Carolina Coastal Federation calls him the man who saved our beaches. The New York Times calls him the dean of American coastal geology. His peers have awarded him nearly every honor for public service in his field, and his former students, many of whom are now influential voices in coastal science themselves, speak of him with reverence.
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Delarage
(2,186 posts)Instead of spending hundreds of millions of dollars constantly pumping sand, rebuilding roads, etc. they should ban any future development, use the money to help people move houses (if possible) or leave, and let nature take its course.
Repukes from places like the Carolinas help scuttle any environmental regulations/initiatives and have made their own bed. Too bad it affects all of us as well. I wish climate change would just affect its enablers..........
Diamond_Dog
(32,104 posts)First time in the early 80s and the last time in the early 2000s.
Ill just remember it as it was back then.
HUAJIAO
(2,403 posts)Loved it...
Diamond_Dog
(32,104 posts)I remember my husband and I ate fresh boiled crab in a little restaurant that spread paper on the table and then dumped the crabs out onto the table from a bucket and then handed you a hammer.
viva la
(3,322 posts)How we'd get off the island in case of a bad storm. 1 highway, thousands of cars.
PJMcK
(22,054 posts)My wife built a beach box rental house on Ocracoke Island near the southern end of the OBX. For over 20 years she rented it during the summers and visited during the off-season. The house was built by local carpenters who really knew the territory: It was seriously over-built to withstand the storms and it was built on stilts that raised it 8-feet above the ground.
We've seen storms that over washed the island. Keep in mind that Ocracoke is only 2- or 3-feet above sea level. When Hurricane Dorian completely flooded the entire island, a great many of the homes were destroyed or severely damaged. One of our neighbor's homes was totally washed away leaving no evidence of its existence! Thanks to the excellent carpenters and the 8-foot stilts, our place survived with the flood waters lapping at the underside of our house but the island was decimated and it has taken several years for the local economy to recover.
It was the last straw us and we sold the beach box last year. Good luck to those remaining.
Tomconroy
(7,611 posts)providing cheap flood insurance at taxpayer expense.
mopinko
(70,260 posts)like ppl buying in miami. mother nature is about to hit you w the clue stick, and you'll never even see it coming.
Phoenix61
(17,019 posts)Of course the wealthy will squawk because they like that type of socialism.
moose65
(3,168 posts)Flood insurance is one of the few things where the "free market" doesn't work so well. No for-profit insurance company will touch flood insurance, because it's not profitable. They will not assume the risk, and the cost to policy holders would be so outrageous that no one would buy it.
Phoenix61
(17,019 posts)on their tennis courts or swim in their pools but they are more than happy to take my tax dollars to put it all
back together when a hurricane smashes it all to bits.
Its like what part of barrier island dont they understand?
moose65
(3,168 posts)The barrier islands are supposed to be a literal "barrier," protecting the mainland from severe storms.
moose65
(3,168 posts)During the Clinton years, FEMA had started a policy of buying out properties that were habitually flooded (actually they gave grants to local governments to do it). The theory was that long term, it would be cheaper to buy out the properties rather than to keep paying insurance claims over and over again.
Even in my small mountain town (Boone, NC) there was a neighborhood that was constantly flooded by the New River. The town received FEMA money for a buyout. Two entire streets and all the houses were purchased, and the houses were either moved or destroyed. The property became part of the local parks, and today there are walking trails and soccer fields there. The area also doesn't flood as much as it used to.
On the Outer Banks, there are areas that are part of the National Park Service (Cape Hatteras National Seashore) or various wildlife refuges. Those areas don't have any development except highways and the occasional visitor center or public beach. Guess what - those areas don't flood and aren't subject to the extreme erosion that we see elsewhere.
The Outer Banks, like all barrier islands, are constantly in motion as sand is blown across them. The ocean side gets eroded away and the soundside gets built up. Humans have interrupted that natural process.
It may be time for us to consider those buyouts again. The beach should belong to everyone!