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hatrack

(59,585 posts)
Sun Nov 20, 2022, 11:27 AM Nov 2022

If You're Outraged By XR & Just Stop Oil, Imagine The Outrage Of Full-On Climate Collapse

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Yet even though the climate crisis has worsened faster than many pessimistic analysts expected, and even though the official response to it remains far too slow, the work of XR and its successors still enrages many people. There are endless online videos of activists being dragged off the road by drivers, or being dangerously shunted by vehicles, or simply being shouted at by passersby. The print and broadcast media are full of similar denunciations. Tory and Labour politicians compete to be the least tolerant of disruptive climate activism – even though Labour’s opposition to the expansion of our oil and gas fields mirrors the stance of Just Stop Oil.

The constant attacks on the activists are inadvertently revealing. They are called “selfish”, when they are sacrificing far more for the environment than their critics. They are called “extremists”, despite the world’s ever more extreme weather. They are dismissed as middle-class dilettantes, yet also feared as fanatical members of a cult. They are condemned for interfering with “people going about their daily business”, as the presenter Mark Austin put it with an air of outrage on Sky News, even though our everyday habits are a central cause of the crisis.

Underlying all these criticisms is a strong but unstated desire not to engage with the activists’ main argument: that the climate emergency is so huge and urgent that modest changes to our lifestyles and conventional political action – from summits such as Cop27 to marches to polite negotiations between governments and companies – are no longer enough. On the videos of drivers confronting activists, the drivers’ fury feels about more than their vehicles being blocked. British motorists are used to obstructions and delays. The anger suggests resentment at being reminded about the climate crisis. It also acts as a way of avoiding being drawn into conversation with the protesters – a conversation that might be uncomfortable or frightening. Starting with XR’s brutally frank name, disruptive green activism presents what the US climate campaigner Al Gore once called An Inconvenient Truth.

Critics of the movement often underestimate how much support it has. An official “factsheet” justifying the government’s public order bill – legislation intended to hinder “protest groups such as Just Stop Oil and Insulate Britain” – cites an opinion poll from April. While the survey shows that twice as many people support as oppose “tougher laws to tackle climate change activists blocking roads, transport and other infrastructure”, it also shows that among 18- to 34-year-olds, opinion on the issue is evenly divided. Many of those likely to be most affected by the climate crisis, and likely to become an ever more important part of the electorate, do not see disruptive protest as illegitimate.

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https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/nov/18/outraged-xr-just-stop-oil-disruptive-climate-crisis

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If You're Outraged By XR & Just Stop Oil, Imagine The Outrage Of Full-On Climate Collapse (Original Post) hatrack Nov 2022 OP
I would love to participate hydrolastic Nov 2022 #1
As someone who was active in Climate Change Action - when you touch Art you lose Pachamama Nov 2022 #2
+1 2naSalit Nov 2022 #3
I'm outraged by climate change, and I don't need to participate in "look at me!" childishness... NNadir Nov 2022 #4

hydrolastic

(488 posts)
1. I would love to participate
Sun Nov 20, 2022, 12:21 PM
Nov 2022

And I feel like I am with a home improvement loan to replace the windows and some insulation to lower heating costs that is participating a bit. The improvements cost as much as I can put out each month. I cannot afford any more. I have no loans other than mortgage and the HEL. I would like to go to a electric vehicle but a used one will have to come later. I also would like to get off natural gas heat. How could I do that? Thing is the way it is now the operating cost of a electric based heat pump would not work. ( I already have done the math) It seems that if I have to pay to do this, Why can't there be a government based energy improvement system in place where I can participate in improving the environment? As it is now I have to go broke to replace all the antique machinery I already paid for.

Pachamama

(16,887 posts)
2. As someone who was active in Climate Change Action - when you touch Art you lose
Sun Nov 20, 2022, 12:51 PM
Nov 2022

I am all for strategic nonviolent direct action and have participated in some big actions in the past in my youth.

But you do so against the unjust institutions and their policies - not Art in Museums.

And they are failing in methods of media outreach informing the public of the cause and winning their support.

So we all lose from groups like Just Stop Oil and their failure to understand this and using the methods they are using.

NNadir

(33,516 posts)
4. I'm outraged by climate change, and I don't need to participate in "look at me!" childishness...
Sun Nov 20, 2022, 03:15 PM
Nov 2022

...to show it.

I believe that these tantrums trivialize the issue. What did all the years of Greenpeacers dressing up in monkey suits do, other than to make things worse?

These protesters are ignoramuses, pure and simple.

If one really wants to deal with climate change, it would be better to do the difficult work of learning engineering and/or science as opposed to have a food fight in an art gallery.

The people egging this crap on, including the journalist, are not even remotely serious people.

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