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Phoenix is in the middle of a record-breaking run of feverish days and suffocating nights, and human skin is a meager barrier against the scorching and scalding that comes at these temperatures. The city has already smashed records for the highest low temperatures for this time of year, when nights never dropped below the 90s, and it has already had 13 consecutive days with Thursday expected to be the 14th at or above 110 degrees Fahrenheit. The record for that is 18, set in 1974, according to the National Weather Service. And the worst of the heat is coming this weekend.
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Cameron had just stepped into the laundry room to feed his dog and his wife was in the bathroom when their 18-month-old son, Mason, slipped through the pet door and stepped onto their concrete patio. He was screaming within seconds. It was so fast, recalled Cameron, who asked that he and his family only be identified by first names to avoid shaming from other parents. It was immediately blistered on one foot. I knew it was bad. Mason suffered second-degree burns on the soles of his feet that day in May, when Phoenix temperatures were only in the 90s, but the concrete had gotten hot enough to be dangerous. When the family reached the Arizona Burn Center at Valleywise Health Medical Center, they met another toddler with burned feet.
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But other cases involve freakish missteps people burned by their seat belts or mailboxes. Swimmers attempting to walk across not-so-cool cool decks. The hospital has seen truckers who drive barefoot, step down onto a parking lot surface and end up badly blistered. On the hottest days, patients have been scalded by the water coming out of their garden hoses. That first burst of water out of there, its practically boiling, said Kevin Foster, a physician and the director of the burn center. One current patient was celebrating his day off with a cocktail, fell and burned 20 percent of his body, requiring surgery and skin grafting, Foster said.
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A rule of thumb, he said, is that a burn encompassing 40 percent of a persons body can put a patient in the hospital for 40 days. The people who come in with these extreme burns and heatstroke, he said, are some of the sickest patients Ive ever encountered. On Wednesday, firefighters encountered a man sprawled in the street in north Phoenix. The emergency responders found drug paraphernalia around the man, and witnesses said he had been acting erratically, slamming his head into the side of a truck. When firefighters arrived, the man was unconscious. There were burns all over his body. His skin was coming off and his internal temperature was 107 degrees, they said. They delivered him to the emergency room.
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/climate-environment/2023/07/13/phoenix-heat-wave-conditions/
2naSalit
(86,650 posts)Doesn't matter how hard we try to control it.
ProudMNDemocrat
(16,786 posts)That is because it excretes as well as absorbs. It needs LOTS of water, and proper protection.
The skin is not designed to handle such high heats. For our bodies are 80% plus made up of water. Water is LIFE!
TheRickles
(2,066 posts)Auggie
(31,174 posts)Not to me. Not to any of us engaged in the conversations and actions to address climate change.
Think. Again.
(8,190 posts)...reports on individual cases of harm caused by the climate crisis, even reports on individual major catastrophies, will fade away due to the overwhelming number of these cases.
IronLionZion
(45,460 posts)folks who work or play outside can pass out and not be found until it's too late.
UPS drivers are going on strike for better conditions. A big one is to get air conditioning in the trucks.
Think. Again.
(8,190 posts)...that they don't have AC in those trucks, that's just insane.
Whattaguy
(14 posts)Gotta divert that water to where it really matters, the greens!
IronLionZion
(45,460 posts)irrigated agriculture is destroying the west's water with century old water allocation laws.
Delphinus
(11,831 posts)this isn't FRONT PAGE news everywhere. Yikes!
IronLionZion
(45,460 posts)it looks like articles on heat waves, flooding, wildfires, draughts, hurricanes, polar vortex, melting glaciers, rising sea levels, etc. That's all climate change.
Wicked Blue
(5,834 posts)and has been doing extensive coverage for months.
There may be a paywall.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/climate-environment/2023/07/12/climate-change-flooding-heat-wave-continue/
UpInArms
(51,284 posts)Old Crank
(3,596 posts)You never tried to drink out of the garden hose until you let the water run for a while.
Got in the habit of draining the hose when finished using it.
Cool deck can get hot. Basically it only it is an uneven surface to reduce the skin contact and is usually white to try and reflect some of the heat. But at 110F it is still hot enought to burn especially after a days worth of heat build up.
BumRushDaShow
(129,124 posts)I remember years ago, posting on one of my garden forums and I had been looking up some garden climate info on AZ as I had some bougainvilleas (which thrive there) and wanted to get the soil/sun exposure conditions somewhat as close as I could (at least for here in Philly)... And that is when I found out about the "scorpion problem" and how they can get into the house.
I was like WTAF??????? And it's not like dealing with ants in the house with a bug spray or whatever because they are not insects but are in the same class as spiders, etc. It makes me wonder how they handle that kind of heat, although they are normally almost bullet-proof things and near impervious.
I know the already-desert climate there only gets exacerbated when there is a deficit of the hit or miss rain from the annual monsoon. But with an already way-hotter-than-normal ocean and GOM and a heat dome, we are seeing that it can be brutal in that whole area stretching across into southern CA too.
StarryNite
(9,446 posts)Rattlesnakes too. The snakes don't typically wind up in the house though. They do like garages and patios though. I always try to be mindful of them when I step out the door in the warm and hot months.
BumRushDaShow
(129,124 posts)but thankfully the only snakes I have seen and are accustomed to are garter snakes.
kairos12
(12,862 posts)and went to San Diego, like many Zonies these days.
Richard D
(8,755 posts). . . if a city like Phoenix is even viable for the long term. I could see it being the first major city to become a ghost town
StarryNite
(9,446 posts)BlueMTexpat
(15,370 posts)Phoenix area as a grad student in the late 1970s.
The US Southwest - not necessarily Phoenix - is a beautiful area. But I could never live there voluntarily.
With our earth getting hotter because we have not taken climate change seriously, almost no one will be able to exist there sooner rather than later.
Random Boomer
(4,168 posts)I keep wondering who all these people are who believe they should move TO Phoenix rather than away. When reality finally catches up with them, over a million people will lose all the equity in their homes.
StarryNite
(9,446 posts)And growth is being encouraged.
StarryNite
(9,446 posts)No hurricanes. We do have haboobs though. Oh, and let's not forget our Valley Fever.
RainCaster
(10,885 posts)I had to look that up.
Dust storms (also called haboobs) are unexpected, unpredictable and can sweep across Arizona's desert landscape at any time. Dust storms can be miles long and thousands of feet high.
I learned something new today. Thanks.
StarryNite
(9,446 posts)There is so much construction and sprawl going on which disrupts the natural Sonoran Desert. It's really sad. The native plants, animals, and soil all suffer for it. In the end we suffer too.
BlueMTexpat
(15,370 posts)And I remember the floods that they brought to much of the area, which would have been unimaginable even a few weeks or months before.
But I don't remember experiencing a haboob. After looking it up, I'm glad not to have.
I also experienced Valley Fever and only later realized how allergic I am to certain spores. I thought that my experience was mostly due to pesticides they were spraying on crops around the Glendale area.
There were some good times though. My sons loved being able to play sports outside in January without having to wear the winter clothes they were used to wearing in Montana - where we lived before and after my year in Phoenix.
But I am a person who - even in my current old age - prefers seasons that change, although not the way they have been doing lately.
StarryNite
(9,446 posts)Still waiting for our monsoon rains to arrive this year.
Valley Fever can be horrible to humans and other animals, particularly dogs.
Typically we have a cool winter and hot summer with not much in the way of spring or fall. My favorite season here is fall...it's my favorite day of the year.
BlueMTexpat
(15,370 posts)in Phoenix in August 1978, to experience its stifling heat.
We were astounded when we visited the downtown part of the city and took advantage of the A/C in a Goldwater's Department Store, only to discover that they were selling FUR coats! In August; in Phoenix!
I just discovered that Goldwater's department stores no longer exist. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goldwater%27s
We mostly enjoyed our stay there and made friends that I still have to this day. But there certainly weren't as many crazies there then.
Please stay safe!
bronxiteforever
(9,287 posts)Random Boomer
(4,168 posts)If the city were to lose power for air conditioning, roughly half the city could end up in the emergency room.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/climate-environment/2023/07/13/phoenix-heat-wave-blackout/
honest.abe
(8,678 posts)It will happen.
paleotn
(17,931 posts)Humans shit their own nests. It's what we do. Not heat up here in VT but cataclysmic flooding Monday and Tuesday. And then severe thunderstorms and tornado warnings yesterday. We're good, but many of our distant neighbors in Ludlow and Montpelier are certainly not. I grew up in the southeast, so I get hurricanes, but Monday was just a low pressure system that got stuck in soupy air over the east coast. Crazy humid and rainy up here for weeks now...and then Monday's cataclysm. The new normal.
TeamProg
(6,143 posts)StarryNite
(9,446 posts)Twelve people have died from the heat so far this year in Maricopa County. Last year at this time seventeen had died from the heat. It's supposed to be 119° on Saturday.
not fooled
(5,801 posts)The smaller, dingier, uglier city to the south. Even worse here (lower latitude). The corrupt goobers in local government (some if not many make money from development) are busy approving massive new developments. Apparently they will just keep going with paving over this armpit until the aquifer is exhausted, then force everyone onto expensive privatized water systems to ration water.
It's gotten noticeably hotter every year I've been here, although of course this year is the worst. I've just bought another house far, far away and in a much better climate.
The locals get mad when I ask them what they are going to do in 10 or 20 years when the heating trend continues to the point when they can't go outside for extended periods because the heat will kill them. Many if not most are religious fundies including many LDS, or otherwise science deniers who acknowledge the climate is warming but refuse to believe that it's caused by human activity. I'm tired of the STOOPID.
mike_c
(36,281 posts)We hit 113 F yesterday right here locally in our neighborhood. I took some stuff outside last night about midnight and it felt like it was still 100+. We're staying indoors most of the time. No real relief in sight.
I saw a meme yesterday that said "It's summer in Phoenix. Please remember to stay indoors between 11:00 AM and November 1st."