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Think. Again.

(8,187 posts)
Tue Dec 19, 2023, 08:49 AM Dec 2023

The Dutch are riding their bikes on two new solar cycle paths

Michelle Lewis | Dec 18 2023 - 10:51 am PT
Full Article: https://electrek.co/2023/12/18/dutch-riding-bikes-solar-cycle-paths/

Two solar cycle paths came online in the Netherlands, and they’re the country’s first to have 1,000 square meters (10,764 square feet) of solar surface area each.



Colas Group company Wattway and Dutch construction company BAM Royal Group installed the solar cycle paths in the North Holland and North Brabant provinces. Wattway makes solar road surfaces that produce clean electricity while bearing vehicle traffic.

Wattway, which claims to be the world’s first solar road surfacing company, has been running around 40 trial sites in multiple countries since its founding in 2015. As a result, it’s been making improvements to its solar roads.

The Dutch installations have increased power – 148 Wp/m² compared to older paths with 119 Wp/m² – and the provinces hope to produce “160 MWh/year of renewable energy in its first year, helping to supply the Dutch grid.” The sites will be monitored and maintained for five years.

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The solar cells are coated in a multilayer substrate composed of resins and polymers. They’re translucent enough to let in sunlight and resistant enough to withstand bike traffic. The solar panel surfaces aren’t like smooth rooftop panels – they’re treated so that they provide the same grip as conventional road mixes.
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The Dutch are riding their bikes on two new solar cycle paths (Original Post) Think. Again. Dec 2023 OP
K&R 2naSalit Dec 2023 #1
How cool! I have some friends who will really enjoy this! liberalla Dec 2023 #2
This is magnificent! What an amazing thing. PatrickforB Dec 2023 #3
As soon as we... Think. Again. Dec 2023 #4
Wonderful! Jean Genie Dec 2023 #5
Smart and creative! Wild blueberry Dec 2023 #6
Another side of this from an Electric Engineer RocRizzo55 Dec 2023 #7
Yes... Think. Again. Dec 2023 #8
Read the replies to the original article. RocRizzo55 Dec 2023 #9
We're going to need... Think. Again. Dec 2023 #10
yeah, this makes no sense to me. mopinko Dec 2023 #11
Perhaps they are hoping... Think. Again. Dec 2023 #12
yeah, i guess. mopinko Dec 2023 #13
We'll need to find... Think. Again. Dec 2023 #14
yeahbut mopinko Dec 2023 #15
Absolutely... Think. Again. Dec 2023 #16
Exactly, which RocRizzo55 Dec 2023 #17
yeah. mopinko Dec 2023 #19
Many parking lots RocRizzo55 Dec 2023 #20
Yes, also RocRizzo55 Dec 2023 #18

PatrickforB

(14,577 posts)
3. This is magnificent! What an amazing thing.
Tue Dec 19, 2023, 10:46 AM
Dec 2023

We must wonder when we will begin doing things like this in the US.

Jean Genie

(275 posts)
5. Wonderful!
Tue Dec 19, 2023, 10:58 AM
Dec 2023

I LOVE the Dutch! They are so innovative, creative, and smart. Well, except for their new PM, Geert What's His Name. How did that happen?!
Best vacation of my life was a home exchange in Amsterdam for a month. Wish it could have been a year!

 

RocRizzo55

(980 posts)
7. Another side of this from an Electric Engineer
Tue Dec 19, 2023, 11:22 AM
Dec 2023

Dave Jones in Australia has done a few of these videos.
Here's the latest:


TL;DR: Solar roads do not generate as much power as stated, and are prone to wearing out/breaking due to the degradation of the road surface and panels. He has done extensive research on this.
Twice the output of energy could be gotten if these solar panels were put ABOVE the roadway. This has been going on for years now.

Think. Again.

(8,187 posts)
8. Yes...
Tue Dec 19, 2023, 11:28 AM
Dec 2023

...the article addresses that lightly, apparently this is part of a larger trial project;

"Wattway, which claims to be the world’s first solar road surfacing company, has been running around 40 trial sites in multiple countries since its founding in 2015. As a result, it’s been making improvements to its solar roads."

Of course, as with any new technology, the trial and error will hopefully lead to improvements.

mopinko

(70,127 posts)
11. yeah, this makes no sense to me.
Tue Dec 19, 2023, 12:20 PM
Dec 2023

i know the netherlands is a small place, but they cant b SOOOO cramped for space they need to do this.
suspect they cd build a canopy over the trails for less money, and to better effect.

Think. Again.

(8,187 posts)
12. Perhaps they are hoping...
Tue Dec 19, 2023, 12:47 PM
Dec 2023

...to trial new ideas of creating electricity without disrupting any more spaces than needed.

mopinko

(70,127 posts)
13. yeah, i guess.
Tue Dec 19, 2023, 12:58 PM
Dec 2023

i remember reading about roads that used the compression of the cars to make electricity. that makes sense.
that’s a big investment for a pretty small return even if it works. i’m assuming they arent even that efficient w all that coating.

Think. Again.

(8,187 posts)
14. We'll need to find...
Tue Dec 19, 2023, 01:07 PM
Dec 2023

..a LOT of new ways to make electricity if we hope to keep the society we have that needs that electricity.

mopinko

(70,127 posts)
15. yeahbut
Tue Dec 19, 2023, 01:10 PM
Dec 2023

we need to keep an eye on the cradle to grave costs. there’s enough criticism on that score already.

 

RocRizzo55

(980 posts)
17. Exactly, which
Tue Dec 19, 2023, 01:47 PM
Dec 2023

Is why putting them in roads is not a good idea. Better OVER the roads. Not only would they suffer less damage from bikes riding over them, but they would be much easier to install and maintain. They could also provide shade from the sun, and protection from the rain. (It rains here in the Netherlands a lot)

 

RocRizzo55

(980 posts)
20. Many parking lots
Tue Dec 19, 2023, 07:17 PM
Dec 2023

Are underground, or inside buildings. so not really as good as they may seem, though bicycle parking areas are outdoors.

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