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OKIsItJustMe

(19,938 posts)
Sat Nov 10, 2012, 07:54 PM Nov 2012

How Solar-Based Microgrids Could Bring Power to Millions

http://www.technologyreview.com/featuredstory/429529/how-solar-based-microgrids-could-bring-power-to-millions/
[font face=Serif][font size=5]How Solar-Based Microgrids Could Bring Power to Millions[/font]

By Kevin Bullis on October 24, 2012

[font size=3]The village of Tanjung Batu Laut seems to grow out of a mangrove swamp on an island off the coast of Malaysian Borneo. The houses, propped up over the water on stilts, are cobbled together from old plywood, corrugated steel, and rusted chicken wire. But walk inland and you reach a clearing covered with an array of a hundred solar panels mounted atop bright new metal frames. Thick cables transmit power from the panels into a sturdy building with new doors and windows. Step inside and the heavy humidity gives way to cool, dry air. Fluorescent lights illuminate a row of steel cabinets holding flashing lights and computer displays.

The building is the control center for a small, two-year-old power-generating facility that provides electricity to the approximately 200 people in the village. Computers manage power coming from the solar panels and from diesel generators, storing some of it in large lead-acid batteries and dispatching the rest to meet the growing local demand. Before the tiny plant was installed, the village had no access to reliable electricity, though a few families had small diesel generators. Now all the residents have virtually unlimited power 24 hours a day.

Many of the corrugated-steel roofs in the village incongruously bear television satellite dishes. Some homes, with sagging roofs and crude holes in the walls for windows, contain flat-screen televisions, ceiling fans, power-hungry appliances like irons and rice cookers, and devices that need to run day and night, like freezers. On a Saturday afternoon this summer, kids roamed around with cool wedges of watermelon they'd bought from Tenggiri Bawal, the owner of a tiny store located off one of the most unstable parts of the elevated wooden walkways that link the houses. Three days before, she'd taken delivery of a refrigerator, where she now keeps watermelon, sodas, and other goods. Bawal smiled as the children clustered outside her store and said, in her limited English, "Business is good."

Worldwide, one and a half billion people lack electricity, most of them rural dwellers. (In India, for example, 268 million people are without electricity in rural areas, but only 21 million in cities.) The International Energy Agency says the type of power plant installed at Batu Laut, known as a hybrid microgrid, will be essential to bringing power to many of them. That's because connecting a remote community to the conventional power grid, with its large, centralized plants, is expensive and can take more than a decade. In some cases, geography and economics may never permit access to the grid. Hybrid microgrids can provide dependable electricity by intelligently combining power from multiple local sources, and building them is far cheaper and faster than extending the grid to the areas where most of the people without electricity live.

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How Solar-Based Microgrids Could Bring Power to Millions (Original Post) OKIsItJustMe Nov 2012 OP
Our power company put up solar panels throughout our neighborhood. lalalu Nov 2012 #1
“I thought those darn things would help generate back up power.” OKIsItJustMe Nov 2012 #2
In other words lalalu Nov 2012 #3
Andrew Cuomo laid things out nicely OKIsItJustMe Nov 2012 #4
I will give him credit. lalalu Nov 2012 #5
He also has not minced words regarding climate change OKIsItJustMe Nov 2012 #6
True lalalu Nov 2012 #7
You can make the same case against cheapskate homeowners ...... oldhippie Nov 2012 #8
Maybe we homeowners wouldn't be such lalalu Nov 2012 #9
Property taxes pay for the services citizens demand oldhippie Nov 2012 #10
In New Jersey we pay a lot. lalalu Nov 2012 #11
I am in Texas and we have our own electric grid ...... oldhippie Nov 2012 #12
any solar-neighborhood backup system, would be swamped by demand mrf901 Nov 2012 #13
And *that* is a critical point ... Nihil Nov 2012 #14
 

lalalu

(1,663 posts)
1. Our power company put up solar panels throughout our neighborhood.
Sat Nov 10, 2012, 08:01 PM
Nov 2012

The good news is that despite a lot of large trees and Hurricane Sandy they did not come down. The bad news is we still went nine days without power.

I thought those darn things would help generate back up power.

OKIsItJustMe

(19,938 posts)
2. “I thought those darn things would help generate back up power.”
Sat Nov 10, 2012, 11:10 PM
Nov 2012
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dean-kuipers/solar-power_b_2095102.html?utm_hp_ref=green
[font face=Serif][font size=5]After Sandy: Solar More Than Ever[/font]

Posted: 11/09/2012 8:39 am

[font size=3]The electricity is coming back on in the wake of Superstorm Sandy and the people of New York and New Jersey are talking about how to rebuild, and how to make energy infrastructure changes to address a new stormy reality. The Dot Earth Blog, for example, is discussing small natural gas cogeneration plants that kept NYU powered up when lower Manhattan went dark. Others are talking about microgrids, smart planning and flood control systems.

Solar power must be in the mix. The region affected by Sandy has vast untapped potential to produce clean power and cut the carbon emissions that might be exacerbating these storms in the first place.



To be clear: during a major power outage, the most common types of rooftop solar power systems would not have you charging your cell phone or running a dialysis machine. Usually they're tied into the grid and are automatically disconnected when the grid is down. In order to be completely independent, you need a system configured to provide energy directly to your property, or you'd need a battery storage system. Because batteries are more expensive than generators, not a lot of folks buy them.

However, municipalities, neighborhood co-ops and commercial projects can change that. Communal storage solutions can be found. As Sandy demonstrated, even one building with power can be a support center for a whole neighborhood.

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lalalu

(1,663 posts)
3. In other words
Sun Nov 11, 2012, 12:29 AM
Nov 2012

the technology exists but the greedy slobs didn't install it. Hurricane Sandy may accomplish what all the scientific proof and studies couldn't. Then again the greedy slobs may cut corners and rebuild the same crap.

BTW, don't believe the hype. A lot of areas are still without power and it is getting ugly. The next round of elections will see a lot of unemployed local politicians.

OKIsItJustMe

(19,938 posts)
4. Andrew Cuomo laid things out nicely
Sun Nov 11, 2012, 12:53 AM
Nov 2012
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/11/09/us-storm-sandy-utilities-cuomo-idUSBRE8A807J20121109
[font face=Serif][font size=5]New York's Governor Cuomo blasts utilities for Sandy outages[/font]

By Scott DiSavino and Daniel Trotta and Cezary Podkul
Riverhead, NEW YORK | Thu Nov 8, 2012 10:09pm EST

[font size=r](Reuters) - Damage from Superstorm Sandy to the electricity system in the U.S. Northeast exposed deep flaws in the structure and regulation of power utilities that will require a complete redesign, New York Governor Andrew Cuomo said on Thursday.[/font]

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"We're going to have to look at a ground-up redesign," Cuomo said while criticizing the utilities he called virtual monopolies run by nameless and faceless bureaucrats.

"The utility system we have was designed for a different time and for a different place," Cuomo told a news conference. "It is a 1950s system. ... They have failed the consumers. The management has failed the consumers."



"I believe the system is archaic and obsolete in many ways. They are basically one of the last monopolies. ...," Cuomo said on Thursday. "If you are unhappy with the utility company, who do you fire? Who runs it? Who owns it? Where do you get them?"

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http://blogs.wsj.com/metropolis/2012/11/08/cuomo-criticizes-power-companies-says-costs-of-storm-could-top-1-billion/
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November 8, 2012, 3:21 PM ET

[font size=5]Cuomo Criticizes Power Companies[/font]

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“You can’t be any stronger or harsher than I have been on the utility companies,” Cuomo said. “… You can’t use any other language than I’ve used and not be worried about my daughters watching the broadcast, right? Privately I have used language that my daughters couldn’t hear.”

Acknowledging that the design of the region’s power system — including overhead wires vulnerable to storm damage — the governor derided the utilities’ preparations for the storm.

“They ran out of poles, believe it or not,” Cuomo said. “They ran out of poles. You know, poles are something that a utility company would want to have, you would think. You look at what a utility company does, it basically comes down to wire and poles and crews and trucks. These are things you would want to have. How can you run out of poles?”

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Watch it here: http://livestre.am/4d8Bq (Skip ahead 30 minutes or so to watch him get rolling…)
 

lalalu

(1,663 posts)
5. I will give him credit.
Sun Nov 11, 2012, 08:51 AM
Nov 2012

He has been the only one speaking out from day one. I remember listening to him say this on my transistor radio.

2012 and my best source of news was the transistor radio

OKIsItJustMe

(19,938 posts)
6. He also has not minced words regarding climate change
Sun Nov 11, 2012, 10:50 AM
Nov 2012
http://www.salon.com/2012/10/31/cuomo_climate_change_is_a_reality_we_are_vulnerable/
[font face=Serif]Wednesday, Oct 31, 2012 9:49 PM UTC

[font size=5]Cuomo: “Climate change is a reality … we are vulnerable”[/font]
[font size=4]"There’s only so long you can say, ‘This is once in a lifetime and it’s not going to happen again,'" Cuomo said[/font]

By Jillian Rayfield

[font size=3]Andrew Cuomo pointed to the scale of Hurricane Sandy as evidence that climate change is a “reality” and debate about whether it exists is “a whole political debate that I don’t want to get into.”

“It’s a longer conversation,” Cuomo said at a press briefing Wednesday, the Capitol Confidential blog of the Albany Times-Union reports. “But I think part of learning from this is the recognition that climate change is a reality, extreme weather is a reality, it is a reality that we are vulnerable. Climate change is a controversial subject, right? People will debate whether there is climate change … that’s a whole political debate that I don’t want to get into. I want to talk about the frequency of extreme weather situations, which is not political … There’s only so long you can say, ‘This is once in a lifetime and it’s not going to happen again.’

“The frequency is way up. It is not prudent to sit here, I believe, to sit here and say it’s not going to happen again,” he said. “Protecting this state from coastal flooding is a massive, massive undertaking. But it’s a conversation I think is overdue.”

Cuomo’s comments reiterated a statement he made yesterday that “there have been a series of extreme weather events. That is not a political statement; that is a factual statement. Anyone who says there is not a change in weather patterns is denying reality.”

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oldhippie

(3,249 posts)
8. You can make the same case against cheapskate homeowners ......
Sun Nov 11, 2012, 06:17 PM
Nov 2012

As you say, the technology exists for homeowners to install battery storage systems and solar panels to help ride out power emergencies. Why don't they? For the same reason commercial activities don't. It usually costs too much to be worthwhile for the few times it's needed. If the utilities present the plan for such systems to their public regulators, and show them the bill, most public regulators will not give them approval to do it. The citizens would not want to pay the cost. (Of course, it would be OK if "somebody else" pays.)

I have seen this scenario so many times.

 

lalalu

(1,663 posts)
9. Maybe we homeowners wouldn't be such
Sun Nov 11, 2012, 06:30 PM
Nov 2012

cheapskates if we did not see exorbitant rate hikes on our property taxes and utilities. You must not be a homeowner or you would know that utility companies have been hiking fees every year for upgrades that they have failed to deliver.

Now I do not mind paying if it is for the greater good of the community. But I sure as hell am tired of getting hit with property tax increases. Then double digit hikes going to utility companies and getting half ass upgrades in return. In the meantime they lay off ground workers and give themselves bonuses.

These politicians and companies have some explaining to do to a lot of angry people. These politicians were paid off to approve these rate hikes, we paid, and the goods weren't delivered. If meaning I want what I paid for then yes I am one hell of a cheapskate.

BTW, based on your analogy I guess the United States should never have bothered bringing plumbing and electricity throughout the country. Every homeowner should have just built their own plumbing system and wired their homes themselves.

This is the new way of thinking? No wonder this country is so behind in our infrastructure and wiring. I guess next you would tell everyone to build their own train system or run their own bus service to get to work.

 

oldhippie

(3,249 posts)
10. Property taxes pay for the services citizens demand
Sun Nov 11, 2012, 08:50 PM
Nov 2012
"You must not be a homeowner or you would know that utility companies have been hiking fees every year for upgrades that they have failed to deliver."


I've only been a homeowner for 36 years now. And I haven't seen higher fees every year. In fact my electric rates are lower per kWHr than ever and still trending down.

I have recently been involved with my city's budget process, serving on a citizen's committee to find ways to increase sustainable services. Recycling, water conservation, energy efficiency, etc. Almost all of our citizens want such things, but whenever it looks like it might cost some money and raise taxes they raise hell. Most figure that there must be a way to get "somebody else" to pay for it. Feds, State, grants, they don't care, but they don't want to personally pay for the services they demand.

There is something to be said for self sufficiency. Don't you watch those prepper shows?
 

lalalu

(1,663 posts)
11. In New Jersey we pay a lot.
Sun Nov 11, 2012, 09:27 PM
Nov 2012

In the metro area the taxes and utility rates are some of the highest in the nation. The big reason is because we made a pact that we were willing to pay that amount to have good infrastructure for everyone. We specifically have had double digit rate hikes for upgrades to power and water.

They are going to have open their books and answer some questions.There will be an investigation and there will be hell to pay. Cuomo is the only one who spoke out and demanded accountability from day one. Now even republican Peter King is asking for federal intervention. Christie has been kissing up to President Obama from day one because he knows how bad it is.

I don't know where you live but we pay a lot and we paid for upgrades. These companies cannot lie and slither their way out of this. No excuses.

You are very lucky because all across this nation utility companies have been passing upgrades onto consumers with huge hikes.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2011/10/05/americans-face-double-digit-hikes-in-electricity-bills-to-fund-upgrades.html

 

oldhippie

(3,249 posts)
12. I am in Texas and we have our own electric grid ......
Sun Nov 11, 2012, 09:50 PM
Nov 2012

.... so I think we have some advantages. Texas partly de-regulated its electric utility industry some years ago, and so far it has worked pretty well to bring prices down, at least in my area of Central Texas. I am working with my city to see if we can do a commercial scale solar upgrade when we do an upgrade of our waste water treatment plant in a couple years. It looks like we can save the city considerable $$$ on electricity costs.

I've been in my current house about 15 years and I can only remember a half dozen or so power outages, non lasting more thanan hour or so. I guess our companies designed our grid pretty well.

 

mrf901

(49 posts)
13. any solar-neighborhood backup system, would be swamped by demand
Sun Nov 11, 2012, 09:56 PM
Nov 2012

a solar-suplied microgrid would be great for
LED lights, charging cell phones,
and other lifesaving needs.

but that is not how life works.
someone will demand to wash clothes
or run the A/C, thus ruining it for eveyrone.

somebody always thinks they are more
deserving that everyone else.

 

Nihil

(13,508 posts)
14. And *that* is a critical point ...
Mon Nov 12, 2012, 05:28 AM
Nov 2012

> someone will demand to wash clothes
> or run the A/C, thus ruining it for everyone.
> somebody always thinks they are more
> deserving than everyone else.

Doing the "community backup" option is a great idea but only after getting
everyone who is involved with it (i.e., who buys into it) totally committed to
efficiency. Putting it in place with the existing horde of consumer zombies
is a good way to blow things up.

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