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cprise

(8,445 posts)
Tue Mar 5, 2013, 07:48 PM Mar 2013

Is Germany switching to coal?

Opponents of renewables in North America are pouncing on the news of a new coal plant in Germany, especially because German Environmental Minister Peter Altmaier cut the ribbon, so to speak. Altmaier said Germany will need the conventional fossil power plants for "decades to come," though he did not say it was, as Fox Business put it, to "complement unreliable and intermittent renewable energies such as wind and solar power." In fact, he stated that "fossil energy and renewables should not be played as cards against each other" and that we have to move beyond "making enemies of the two."

It took six years to build the plant, meaning that the process started in 2006. It is by no means a reaction to the nuclear phaseout of 2011. And as Altmaier himself points out, the new plant can ramp up and down by 150 megawatts within five minutes and by 500 megawatts within 15, making it a flexible complement to intermittant renewables. In the area, 12 coal plants more than 40 years old have been decommissioned, and the new 2,200 megawatt plant is to directly replace 16 older 150 megawatts blocks by the end of this year, so 2,200 megawatts of new, more flexible, somewhat cleaner capacity (the new plant has an efficiency of 43 percent, whereas 35 percent would be considered ambitious for most old coal plants) is directly replacing 2,400 old megawatts.

http://www.renewablesinternational.net/is-germany-switching-to-coal/150/537/56081/


Europe's coal renaissance – the end is nigh

Essentially, the coal plants now going up were planned between 2005/2008 and therefore have nothing to do with the unnecessarily sudden nuclear phase-out of 2011 – and everything to do with the poor beginning of emissions trading in Europe during those years.

Now, the unpublished ECF briefing provided to Renewables International confirms these findings for the EU as a whole. Over the past two decades, coal consumption is not only down considerably in Germany, but also throughout the EU.

http://www.renewablesinternational.net/europes-coal-renaissance-the-end-is-nigh/150/537/60687/

So, in a word... No.
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MAD Dave

(204 posts)
1. If Germany hopes to keep the light.....
Tue Mar 5, 2013, 07:50 PM
Mar 2013

......on for a reasonable price or allow the people of Bavaria to live without smog and coal dust, they'll turn the nukes back on within the decade.

kristopher

(29,798 posts)
3. The opponents of renewable energy just never give up, do they?
Thu Apr 4, 2013, 12:22 AM
Apr 2013

Given the general popularity of renewables you have to wonder where they get all of their motivation to engage in such seeming knee-jerk criticism.

FogerRox

(13,211 posts)
9. LOL, in a decade renewables will be starting to dominate the market
Thu Apr 4, 2013, 08:00 PM
Apr 2013

turn the nukes back on, indeed.

hunter

(38,317 posts)
7. That's how California does it.
Thu Apr 4, 2013, 10:59 AM
Apr 2013

We import electricity from coal and nuclear plants in other states. At the moment limited transmission capacity is preventing further imports. In order to convince the public that more transmission lines are needed, the power industry says these lines are needed for wind and solar projects. They never mention that not more than 15% of the energy these new lines carried would come from solar or wind, and 85% or more from new coal plants built in states with less restrictive environmental regulations.

Growth of electricity use in California has been limited by high prices. Importing dirty out-of-state natural gas, coal, and nuclear energy is a very profitable business. It could be even more profitable if transmission capacity into the state was increased.

wtmusic

(39,166 posts)
6. Meanwhile, news sources outside the Church of Renewables paint a different picture.
Thu Apr 4, 2013, 12:48 AM
Apr 2013
Merkel’s Green Shift Forces Germany to Burn More Coal

"Chancellor Angela Merkel’s government says RWE AG (RWE)’s new power plant that can supply 3.4 million homes aids her plan to exit nuclear energy and switch to cleaner forms of generation. It’s fired with coal.

The startup of the 2,200-megawatt station near Cologne last week shows how Europe’s largest economy is relying more on the most-polluting fuel. Coal consumption has risen 4.9 percent since Merkel announced a plan to start shutting the country’s atomic reactors after last year’s Fukushima disaster in Japan.

Germany’s largest utilities RWE and EON AG (EOAN) are shunning cleaner-burning natural gas because it’s more costly, while the collapsing cost of carbon permits means there’s little penalty for burning coal. Wind and solar projects, central to Germany’s plans to reduce nuclear energy and cut the release of heat- trapping gases, can’t produce electricity around the clock. "

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-08-19/merkel-s-green-shift-forces-germany-to-burn-more-coal-energy.html

cprise

(8,445 posts)
10. Now who is talking backwards--Renewables are the bazaar
Thu Apr 4, 2013, 11:48 PM
Apr 2013

While nuclear is the epitome of the Cathedral, with a despotic antidemocratic priesthood. The main reason why high finance keeps proposing nuclear is that the very wealthy are always piqued for schemes that translate into great control.

Bloomberg can cover the issue as narrowly as they like; that is the prerogative of American media. Germany's carbon emissions were still lower than its target during that year, and there is no established upward trend. So grousing on the subject is just BS.

wtmusic

(39,166 posts)
11. Fine, then post links from outside the Church bubble that back up your position.
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 12:25 PM
Apr 2013

You can't.

Hallelujah. Praise to Mark Jacobson.

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