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Iowa suffered its hottest July since the mid-1950s last year and has received below-average moisture since, but agricultural meteorologist Elwynn Taylor of Iowa State University told the Land Investment Expo Friday that climate change accounts for only about 5 percent of whatever weather patterns emerge at a given time.
http://www.newsfromplanetearth.com/65567/climate-change-small-factor-in-weather/
I wonder how he came up with his 5% claim?
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ISU meteorologist; climate change small factor in weather (Original Post)
4dsc
Jan 2012
OP
It’s gnerally acknowledged that the climate change signal is largely drowned out by weather noise
OKIsItJustMe
Jan 2012
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Viking12
(6,012 posts)1. I think I found the source of his 5% claim....
OKIsItJustMe
(19,938 posts)3. It’s gnerally acknowledged that the climate change signal is largely drowned out by weather noise
Just as we cannot point to a cold Winter or a large snow storm and say, "See!? There is no Global Warming" we cannot point to a drought, and say, See!? Its Climate Change!
(Please note, NASA story, copyright concerns are nil.)
http://climate.nasa.gov/news/index.cfm?FuseAction=ShowNews&NewsID=337
[font face=Times,Times New Roman,Serif][font size=5]Just 5 questions: Weather vs. climate[/font]
[font size=4]Weather and climate are easily confused but they're not the same ... they operate on different timescales.[/font]
06.25.10
Interview by Erik Conway,
NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory
[font size=3]Dr. Eric Fetzer is a scientist at NASAs Jet Propulsion Laboratory. He works on NASAs AIRS mission, recently named the best new tool for climate science. Since its launch in 2002, AIRS has made pioneering new greenhouse gas measurements and improved weather forecasts and hurricane predictions.
1. Whats the difference between climate and weather?
Theres no clear difference, but the generally accepted distinction is made on monthly timescales. Weather describes how the atmosphere behaves over weeks or less. Climate is how it behaves over time periods of about a month or longer. So climate refers to seasonal and longer periods, out to centuries and millennia.
2. This past winter was an especially cold and snowy one for parts of the US, Europe and elsewhere. Surely such cold weather flies in the face of global warming?
The important thing to remember is that global warming is a fairly small effect on top of large temperature variability across the world. Lets say we expect a 1°F (0.6°C) warming. The temperature on the East Coast of the United States varies by up to 20°F (11°C) over a year. So typical weather events can easily overwhelm the slow, small signature of global warming.
Also, global warming is expected to cause more extreme weather events, and that includes cold ones. A simple example is in South Florida. The mangrove line there has retreated southward by about 100 miles (160 kilometers) since the mid-1970s. Mangrove trees dont tolerate frost, and the number of very cold events in Florida has been increasing. Last winter Florida experienced one of the worst cold snaps on record. Yet we know, from the data, that the Earth has warmed on average since the mid-1970s.
We all know smokers who live into their eighties, and health nuts who drop dead in their forties, but these examples are not taken seriously in discussion of health issues. Most people understand and accept anomalies in fields like health care and economics, and we need to do the same with climate issues.
3. In your view, whats the most compelling piece of evidence for global warming?
The strongest evidence, I believe, is in the ocean. We know that the sea level has risen. Part of that sea level rise is from melting ice caps and part of it is from thermal expansion [when seawater heats up, it expands and takes up more space]. The ocean is a giant heat sink, or absorber, and what were seeing is a slow increase in the heat content of the ocean. Its literally a measure of the amount of heat the climate system holds. These changes in ocean heat content are unprecedented in the past ten thousand years. At the same time, climate warming from greenhouse gases is at its highest levels in [at least] 800,000 years.
4. How is climate change affecting the weather, and why?
The largest weather changes are being seen in precipitation patterns, especially at very high latitudes. Alaska has been experiencing winter rainfall where it has never been recorded before. Similarly, the lowest temperatures at high latitudes are increasing. Such weather changes are expected from basic atmospheric physics, and provide one of many lines of evidence showing that increased carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases in the atmosphere are warming our climate.
5. Will it be hotter or colder in the future? More wet or more dry?
On average, itll be warmer. For those of us living in Los Angeles, our climate will become like that of northern Baja California in Mexico. The wet/dry question is more difficult. The expectation is that Los Angeles will become more like Ensenada in Baja California, which is drier. Overall, dry parts of the tropics and subtropics are expected to become drier. But other places will become wetter, notably at higher latitudes. For example, areas such as Buffalo in New York will see an increase in lake-effect snow a winter scenario where cold air moves over a lake of warmer water, causing clouds to build over the lake that then turn into intense local snowstorms as they move downwind. More lake-effect snow will mean Buffalo becomes wetter even though much of what falls wont melt until spring.
If you want to invest in global warming, buy wheat futures in southern Canada or southern Russia. Thats where it will become warmer and wetter. It will be better wheat country than it is today.[/font][/font]
[font size=4]Weather and climate are easily confused but they're not the same ... they operate on different timescales.[/font]
06.25.10
Interview by Erik Conway,
NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory
[font size=3]Dr. Eric Fetzer is a scientist at NASAs Jet Propulsion Laboratory. He works on NASAs AIRS mission, recently named the best new tool for climate science. Since its launch in 2002, AIRS has made pioneering new greenhouse gas measurements and improved weather forecasts and hurricane predictions.
1. Whats the difference between climate and weather?
Theres no clear difference, but the generally accepted distinction is made on monthly timescales. Weather describes how the atmosphere behaves over weeks or less. Climate is how it behaves over time periods of about a month or longer. So climate refers to seasonal and longer periods, out to centuries and millennia.
2. This past winter was an especially cold and snowy one for parts of the US, Europe and elsewhere. Surely such cold weather flies in the face of global warming?
The important thing to remember is that global warming is a fairly small effect on top of large temperature variability across the world. Lets say we expect a 1°F (0.6°C) warming. The temperature on the East Coast of the United States varies by up to 20°F (11°C) over a year. So typical weather events can easily overwhelm the slow, small signature of global warming.
Also, global warming is expected to cause more extreme weather events, and that includes cold ones. A simple example is in South Florida. The mangrove line there has retreated southward by about 100 miles (160 kilometers) since the mid-1970s. Mangrove trees dont tolerate frost, and the number of very cold events in Florida has been increasing. Last winter Florida experienced one of the worst cold snaps on record. Yet we know, from the data, that the Earth has warmed on average since the mid-1970s.
We all know smokers who live into their eighties, and health nuts who drop dead in their forties, but these examples are not taken seriously in discussion of health issues. Most people understand and accept anomalies in fields like health care and economics, and we need to do the same with climate issues.
3. In your view, whats the most compelling piece of evidence for global warming?
The strongest evidence, I believe, is in the ocean. We know that the sea level has risen. Part of that sea level rise is from melting ice caps and part of it is from thermal expansion [when seawater heats up, it expands and takes up more space]. The ocean is a giant heat sink, or absorber, and what were seeing is a slow increase in the heat content of the ocean. Its literally a measure of the amount of heat the climate system holds. These changes in ocean heat content are unprecedented in the past ten thousand years. At the same time, climate warming from greenhouse gases is at its highest levels in [at least] 800,000 years.
4. How is climate change affecting the weather, and why?
The largest weather changes are being seen in precipitation patterns, especially at very high latitudes. Alaska has been experiencing winter rainfall where it has never been recorded before. Similarly, the lowest temperatures at high latitudes are increasing. Such weather changes are expected from basic atmospheric physics, and provide one of many lines of evidence showing that increased carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases in the atmosphere are warming our climate.
5. Will it be hotter or colder in the future? More wet or more dry?
On average, itll be warmer. For those of us living in Los Angeles, our climate will become like that of northern Baja California in Mexico. The wet/dry question is more difficult. The expectation is that Los Angeles will become more like Ensenada in Baja California, which is drier. Overall, dry parts of the tropics and subtropics are expected to become drier. But other places will become wetter, notably at higher latitudes. For example, areas such as Buffalo in New York will see an increase in lake-effect snow a winter scenario where cold air moves over a lake of warmer water, causing clouds to build over the lake that then turn into intense local snowstorms as they move downwind. More lake-effect snow will mean Buffalo becomes wetter even though much of what falls wont melt until spring.
If you want to invest in global warming, buy wheat futures in southern Canada or southern Russia. Thats where it will become warmer and wetter. It will be better wheat country than it is today.[/font][/font]