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GliderGuider

(21,088 posts)
Sat Aug 3, 2013, 12:56 AM Aug 2013

AGL says 9GW of baseload fossil fuels no longer needed

AGL says 9GW of baseload fossil fuels no longer needed

AGL Energy, one of the big three power utilities in Australia, says that 9,000MW of fossil-fuel baseload capacity needs to be taken out of the national electricity market (NEM) to bring it back into balance.

The claim was made by managing director Michael Fraser, on Wednesday, at the announcement that AGL Energy had secured extra financing for its 155MW solar PV project in western NSW – the first solar project of its scale to be built in Australia.

“There is too much baseload relative to where demand has got to, and rooftop solar has impacted on demand … and that has impacted on the economics of coal-fired generators.

That assessment of 9,000MW equates to nearly one-third of the country’s baseload generation – a sure sign that renewables, and in particularly rooftop solar, are changing the dynamics of the market. And it also suggests that some state governments built more generators than was necessary, as they have done more recently with poles and wires.

Good news for a change - the fossil fuel industry can start packing up its shit.
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AGL says 9GW of baseload fossil fuels no longer needed (Original Post) GliderGuider Aug 2013 OP
And their worst fears come true. NYC_SKP Aug 2013 #1
And conservation. Big oil/coal/gas is TERRIFIED of conservation. kestrel91316 Aug 2013 #2
Very good. mbperrin Aug 2013 #3
Unfortunately that extra coal won't stay unburned NickB79 Aug 2013 #4
Shhh! Let people have their moment of hope. GliderGuider Aug 2013 #5
please post the price of electricity quadrature Aug 2013 #6
Profitability is determined by total value of sales vs expenses kristopher Aug 2013 #7
If the fossil fuel industry can "start packing up its shit" wtmusic Aug 2013 #8
 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
1. And their worst fears come true.
Sat Aug 3, 2013, 01:01 AM
Aug 2013

Fossil Fuels are, largely, unnecessary with increasing deployment of renewables and a little bit of energy management and storage.

 

quadrature

(2,049 posts)
6. please post the price of electricity
Sun Aug 4, 2013, 04:06 AM
Aug 2013

electricity demand changes during the day.
generation is added, or removed from the grid, as needed.

typical, for the 'swing' generators to post a price
at which they would join (or drop from)
the grid.(or the grid posts a price for their next hour,
or some other variation)

perhaps some kind soul could write here,
the typical prices for what is proposed to
be eleiminated, v. the replacement price.

kristopher

(29,798 posts)
7. Profitability is determined by total value of sales vs expenses
Sun Aug 4, 2013, 05:26 AM
Aug 2013

Each of these generators may have been selling into different markets eg long term, day ahead or spot.

Solar deprives them of the revenue from selling their electricity during the most valuable period - midday.

Loss of that revenue means that as a profit center they cross the line from profit to loss.

They close.

wtmusic

(39,166 posts)
8. If the fossil fuel industry can "start packing up its shit"
Sun Aug 4, 2013, 11:32 AM
Aug 2013

it won't have anything to do with solar, which has yet to provide 1/10 of one percent of Australian electricity.

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