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OKIsItJustMe

(19,938 posts)
Mon Nov 24, 2014, 08:01 PM Nov 2014

Global warming cynics unmoved by extreme weather

http://msutoday.msu.edu/news/2014/global-warming-cynics-unmoved-by-extreme-weather
[font face=Serif]Published: Nov. 24, 2014
[font size=5]Global warming cynics unmoved by extreme weather[/font]

[font size=3]What will it take to convince skeptics of global warming that the phenomenon is real? Surely, many scientists believe, enough droughts, floods and heat waves will begin to change minds.



As this study and McCright’s past research shows, political party identification plays a significant role in determining global warming beliefs. People who identify as Republican tend to doubt the existence of global warming, while Democrats generally believe in it.

The abnormally warm winter was just one in an ongoing series of severe weather events – including the 2010 Russian heat wave, Hurricane Sandy in 2012 and the 2013 typhoon in the Philippines – that many believed would help start convincing global warming cynics.

“There’s been a lot of talk among climate scientists, politicians and journalists that warmer winters like this would change people’s minds,” McCright said. “That the more people are exposed to climate change, the more they’ll be convinced. This study suggests this is not the case.”

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http://dx.doi.org/10.1038/nclimate2443
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jwirr

(39,215 posts)
3. IMO Global Warming was the real problem. Every time it gets cold someplace the start yelling hoax.
Mon Nov 24, 2014, 09:14 PM
Nov 2014

We should not be using anything but Climate Change. They cannot deny that.

OKIsItJustMe

(19,938 posts)
6. Oh, I don’t know
Tue Nov 25, 2014, 02:59 PM
Nov 2014

Someone who can deny “Global Warming” in defiance of the science, can deny “Climate Change” just as easily.

Personally, I wish we’d go back to the (much older) “Greenhouse Effect.”

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
7. That would not be bad but once again - we cannot SEE the greenhouse effect so they will not
Tue Nov 25, 2014, 03:09 PM
Nov 2014

believe it. When we use Climate Change we can point to actual visible events that they cannot deny. Katrina, floods, draughts, extinctions of animals such as polar bears, etc.

Most deniers are visual. If they cannot see it they do not believe it. It is very strange that so many of them believe in God. We cannot see Him either.

OKIsItJustMe

(19,938 posts)
9. Ah, but there has always been “Climate Change”
Tue Nov 25, 2014, 03:59 PM
Nov 2014

And there has always been extreme weather. Buffalo got hit hard in the winter of 1976-1977. (This is what inspired Jimmy Buffett to sing of people freezing in their cars in Buffalo.)
http://duckduckgo.com/?q=buffett+manana+buffalo+cars

And extinctions are nothing new.

Today’s “skeptic” or “denier” seems more likely to accept the notion of “Climate Change” but not as likely to accede that it is caused by people.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
10. Yes, and there is the real problem - caused by people. They do not want to believe because if they
Tue Nov 25, 2014, 04:20 PM
Nov 2014

do it calls for real changes.

OKIsItJustMe

(19,938 posts)
11. On the other hand. It appears to me (perhaps I’m worng)
Tue Nov 25, 2014, 04:51 PM
Nov 2014

that they are now at least more willing than they were to admit that “Climate Change”/“Global Warming” is occurring.

(That’s the first step. Acknowledging that the problem exists.)

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
12. I think if we stop listening to people like Inhofe you may be right. The people (ordinary people) I
Tue Nov 25, 2014, 04:58 PM
Nov 2014

know are beginning to understand a but more what those phrases we use really mean and they are beginning to see the effect world wide. And yes we may finally be getting through - I hope.

ffr

(22,670 posts)
5. Fuck deniers. A fact is a fact.
Tue Nov 25, 2014, 01:46 AM
Nov 2014

Let's see, my local weather, which is not global, but is still oddly warmer, was and will be:

Today it was 5 degrees above normal for the morning low. Not bad.
Tomorrow will be 10 degrees above normal for the morning low. About normal for these drought conditions.
The next day will be 15 degrees above normal for the morning low. Not that unusual these past three drought years.
The next day after that will be 17 degrees above normal for the morning low. A little higher than usual, but not out of the ordinary.
Then the next two days are 10 degrees above normal for the morning low.

What do all of these fall days have in common? Dry, without the possibility of precipitation. I think I've counted two days in 2014 that had morning temperatures that were below the running average. Coincidence?

You think beef and vegetable costs were high this year! Ha! Wait until Spring of 2015. No water. Less food. Higher prices.

phantom power

(25,966 posts)
8. Hopes that actual changing climate would finally convince "climate skeptics" misunderstand ...
Tue Nov 25, 2014, 03:13 PM
Nov 2014

the nature of the problem. The denial was never rooted in anything rational or reality based. It is absolutely possible for climate disaster to play out indefinitely, without ever changing a single "climate skeptic's" mind.

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