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Related: About this forumWind Power In Trouble on Two Fronts
A cube held together by the attraction of neodymium sphere magnets.
"Wind power is being squeezed on two fronts. Natural gas prices remain low, limiting the financial incentive to install wind capacity. Meanwhile, the Chinese government continues limit the supply of rare earth elements (REE), and the magnets required for wind turbines use sizable quantities of two of them, neodymium and dysprosium. Any interruption in supply, accompanied with price shocks, could debilitate the wind industry, whose struggle to become competitive is already being harmed by the success of its competitors like natural gas.
At the end of 2010, China controlled over 97 percent of the worlds REE production and around one-third of reserves. However, Chinas geopolitical posturing has caused it to significantly reduce export quotas for REE by 37 percent in 2010, as well as 35 percent in 2011. This has caused a massive price shock for REE; while the price of neodymium has fallen from its highs of mid-2011, at about $200/kg, it is still vastly more expensive than it was in 2006 when it was only $10/kg.
This comes just as wind turbines were falling in price after nearly a decade of price increases in the U.S. The Wind Turbine Price Index reported that prices worldwide in 2010 were at their lowest level per MW since 2005, at $1.33 million dollars. Data from the Department of Energy show that prices for wind turbines per kW actually bottomed out around 2001 and until recently had been steadily increasing. Despite improved technology since the early 2000s, larger turbines, a falling dollar, more expensive labor and higher steel costs were the top four reasons for price increases from 2002-2008."
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kristopher
(29,798 posts)Those issues (temporary material shortage needed for narrow range of technologies and international competition) are nothing more significant than any other wrinkle an industry must deal with.
madokie
(51,076 posts)Some people are so transparent and this is more about that than it is about discussing Energy/environmental issues.
Nuclear is good, like hell it is
Starboard Tack
(11,181 posts)Wind and solar will be a major part of all our futures. The more we concentrate on those technologies, the better off we all are.
But don't forget that wind and solar need energy storage or they will never knock coal off its energy dominance throne. Perhaps a regional storage facility, taking the energy from wind turbines overnight and early morning and from solar during sunlight hours, then selling the stored power back to the grid when it is needed is a good way to achieve 100% renewable energy from solar and wind.
I'd also include geothermal power generation, tidal and wave power, as well as every kind of improvement in energy conservation such as more insulation in buildings, LED lighting, Electric Vehicles, geothermal heating and cooling for buildings and passive solar building techniques (which can be added to existing buildings as well as incorporated into new construction).
MADem
(135,425 posts)And it looks like that's what we're doing!
MADem
(135,425 posts)Took three tries, I didn't see the post, tried to repost again, then when I came back, there was my first post.
This is a memo for the record, in case anyone is wondering about my deleted post downthread (it was a dupe of this one).
dimbear
(6,271 posts)many remarkable uses, and since they're so hard to refine there are lots of jobs available producing them.
Especially right here in California.
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txlibdem
(6,183 posts)Oliver M. Bayani
Wednesday, August 31, 2011
This compares to traditional turbines that need to connect the rotor shaft to a gearbox first before a generator can produce electricity. Gearboxes ramp up the speed of the rotor shaft from 10 to 60 rotations per minute to about 1,200 to 1,800 rpm, the speed needed by most generators to create electricity.
G.E. said its proposed superconducting magnets for the wind turbines will use less rare earth materials found in almost all permanent magnets for wind turbines, electric and hybrid cars and other renewable energy technologies.
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"For M.R.I. systems, we're applying superconducting magnets to make lower cost systems with higher image quality. For wind turbines, we want to apply them to generate more wind power at a lower cost of electricity," he added.
http://www.ecoseed.org/wind-energy-blog/article/8-wind-energy/11073-g-e-works-on-d-o-e-project-for-15-mw-direct-drive-wind-turbines
KrazeeKrewe
(34 posts)I am now thinking wind energy could fail. Because of its high EROEI I used to think we could get 20% of our power from wind since the wind blows 25% of the time. I figured that most of that 25% would be when there was demand. Boy was I ever wrong. Wind almost never generates power when you need it & only makes power when you don't. Wind energy production is completely out of phase with demand. Texas Wind Energy Fails, Again At 10% installed wind-generation capacity Texas wind capacity is way over built & spilling off energy every night. Likely 7% is all the useful wind capacity we can achieve & it comes at a high price since you still have to build the same amount of Coal & Natural Gas capacity as you would without wind.
The only way to get this to work is to sleep during the middle of the day in summer & just air-condition the bedroom. Then do all your work at night.
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